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South Africa and Hamas
Kransdorff, Magid
Published: 30.05.07, 08:14
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31. no.17 and 28
gm ,   South Africa   (05.31.07)
Firstly Kenneth, what Raphael Eitan said is an embarrasment and it is not the way that Jews think. Jews have done a lot for South Africa and for the apartheid struggle and we now work to building our new democracy. What someone said 20 years ago is not a voice for Israelis or Jews in general. To Moses, Kenneth didn't bomb me and in actual fact, Jews only benefit because we know how to find opportunities. We did not create apartheid and we were not protected by it like the boers, so i think you are sadly misinformed. As I mentioned before, look at the history of the region and see who is the true victim and who are the true inheritors of Israel. Don't rely on propoganda for this information, take charge of your own knowledge. I dare you.
32. Yes ANC was a terror organization
Carl ,   Indianapolis, USA   (05.31.07)
Google those ANC and terrorism and you will get the REAL STORY. Yes, they were terrorists and they did awful things. Mandela himself is no angel. His ex-wife was involved in many terrorist activities. Let's not be revisionists just because those people were Black and were oppressed by Whites.
33. South African critisism
Rebecca ,   Ex South Africa   (05.31.07)
Firstly never confust Nelson Mandela with Mbeki and the rest of the ANC. Mandela was the really true caring person and would not have lasted long in the wild life politics of Africa. South Africa chooses to pick on Israel, which has always been a convenient scape goat, rather than look in its own back yard, eg Eastern Cape, or it's back door, ie Zimbabwe, both of which are systimatically killing people. Why the rest of the world want to do business with South Africa, or as it should be seen, the next Zimbabwe, is beyond me. As for Kasrels, his convenient position as their showcase Jew keeps him in money. The ANC is good at showcase stuff - just look at BEE
34. SA just trying to establish cred for Permanent Sec Council.
Alan ,   SA   (05.31.07)
35. Get outof that that swamp
Carlos Murphy ,   Red Hill Australia   (05.31.07)
Australia is full of former South Africans white,black,coloured. The reason they left is all the Murders,car jackings,muggings,AIDS, buglaries,you name it. I'm friendly with a few of them,there is no way that they would want to return home.In fact they would love to bring the rest of their families to OZ.
36. ANC bombed Magoo Bar+Church Street,Pretoria and other terror
Alan ,   SA   (05.31.07)
37. Why is South Africa supporting Zimbabwe?
Free Zimbabwe ,   Harie, Zimbabwe   (06.01.07)
I just can not understand why a country so great as South Africa is supporting the current despot and regime Zimbabwe and turning it's eyes away from the suffering? Is South Africa doing the same thing now that it's own ANC freedom fighters were fighting against for decades? I am so saddened that South Africa is ignoring the screams of freedom fighters and starving children in Zimbabwe. How much blood needs to be spilled before the South African government starts to act as a real world leader and is willing to practice what it preaches? What is it afraid of? Maybe, I am naive and I just don't understand, but someone must be getting their Swiss bank accounts filled or South Africans just don't care.
38. people - educate urselves! ISRAEL is NOT the bad guy!
yael ,   bat-yam, israel   (06.01.07)
WOW! i never thought the world was filled with so many feeble-minded people. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! HIZBOLLAH CROSSED ISRAELI NORTHERN BORDERS AND KIDNAPPED ISRAELI SOLDIERS!!!! and you idiots have the nerve to say Israel must fall and be detroyed! i thank the heavens above i wasnt created as stupid as you :) i left South Africa 10months ago BECAUSE of crime, corruption, a society with no sense of value to life but a sense of use, use, use and DESTROY! no hearts, just empty heads. i was attacked TEN different times in SA through my 27 years there. (it's been 9 years and the police still havnt come to take fingerprints in my car - the steering wheel had been sawn thru because i had a gearlock on, alarm, immobilizer - which they had manged to deal with!!) if they rape a 3-month old baby because their witchdoctor says it will cure them of AIDS, what do you think happens? oh, maybe 1 month.... cos there is no space in their over-crowded prisons!! how PATHETIC are these leaders, brainwashing ignorant, uneducated people and promising them worldy possessions and everlasting rewards? the Jewish State of Israel supports peace. arriving in Israel 2days before HIZBOLLAH CROSSED ISRAELI BORDERS AND KIDNAPPED 2 ISRAELI SOLDIERS - i experinced 'war' for the 1st time in my life. despite the bombing from Lebanon, Gaza and frightening stories eg: Palestinian terrorist been caught living in an apartment just a couple of blocks from my residence - iv never felt safer in my life, and not knowing whether to take the bus today... but im not afraid - and neither should 'you' be. im not Jewish - Israel is extremely strict and it can take 10 yrs - but im staying, not giving up on Israel. i felt nothing for South Africa - the leaders and its people do nothing but rape, murder, commit fraud, steal from their people and buy 10 houses and cars for their 10 wives. south africa - to get ur unborn 8month old baby shot and then left bleeding to death in ur driveway cos theyv picked u at the local supermarket. yes world - this is south africa mentality !!!!!! die with for a cellphone im pleading South African Jews and fellow Jews around the world: WE HAVE TO START EDUCATING PEOPLE - the intelligent ones.... the rest of you - a lengthy and testy process as this might be i cant wait to convert, be a part of the Jewish nation and fight for the intelligent, warm, peaceful State of Israel. Jewish or not - rest assured - iv been ready to die for more than a cellphone in this beautiful country. these walks and talks they have with uneducated people are just more days of free food, free t-shirts and a free day to get together and do whatever uneducated peopl do while waiting for their worldly possessions and everlasting gifts. HA HA HA - i can only laugh in your faces - if u dont see the light. educate urselves - but please, dont get caught up in evil lies. LIFE is loving, caring... believe. ישראל מלחמה Israel - stay strong, stay together :)
39. Listening to the radio
Spectator   (06.06.07)
Listening to a NPR (US national radio) show today, there was a review on the 6 day war. A quick listen to it made me really realize how history has been warped, and that when the radio station played back the original recordings from that period, Israel was clearly the little tiny state with surrounding vicious countries who really were committed to destroying it. One hears how the arab preachers in Cairo in 1967 called for israeli destruction. One hears how there was such jubiliation in the arab world on the first day of the war because they wanted to annihilate israel We even hear (I didn't know this) that Syria considered shelling Israel on day 4 of the war, even after Egypt and Jordan had surrendered, and therefore bought themselves the loss of the golan heights. I realized clearly that the situation that the arabs and palestinians find themselves in is NOTHING compared to what would have happened to the Jewish people in israel had the arabs won the war. In fact, we wouldn't even be talking now because there would have been another holocaust. The fate of the arabs and palestinians is a result of their own continued desire to destroy Israel.
40. SA Jews
Ezra ,   JHB SA   (07.14.07)
I just want to help your memory a little, as your amnesia has set in. I am a jew, and know of many jewish people who helped your struggle. Some at a great sacrifice. Second point, Kasirils to me can be likened to someone in a Nazi camp putting bodies into the furnace to save his own skin. Sies Kasrils.
41. Wonder why SA's 'eager to engage' with Israel
R Bishop ,   London   (10.17.07)
Just as the SA rugby team is still almost exclusively White, so too are many of the 'levers of power' still held by other than Black hands. Not that much has changed since the demise of the de jure apartheid régime. The intimate relations enjoyed by the SA racists with Israel in all probability haven't gone away. The Jewish infrastructure within SA politics and business is no doubt still there, and still working away as before. Like most politicians, Mbeki will be riding several horses, and trying to remain seated. He most likely does respond to one of his most industrious, self-interested constituencies.
42. Whats the solution
the man ,   RSA   (07.09.08)
There can be no peace in the middle east as this is not about money but an eternal battle between evil and Good that none of us should concern itself with! The Jews and the Arabs should be allowed to kill each other using watever means and let the rest of us live in peace...USA and south africa stay out of it!! To bush there is plenty of oil in Iraq nvm Iran! To Israel: U denied him when he came 4 U now you wonder ....
43. ISRAEL VS GAZA
SANTA BIERMAN ,   RSA   (01.17.09)
THE REALITY HAMMAS DOES NOT CARE FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN AND LAND THEY ARE KILLING MACHINES. THEY LEFT WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN THEIR HOUSES ALONE, WHERE ARE THE MEN TO PROTECT THEM?THEY WOULD SAY ISRAEL KILLED THEM BUT WHY DO WE ONLY SEE PICTURES OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN THE SAME PICTURE OVER AND OVER AGAIN. DO THEY THINK WE ARE NOT INTELIGENT ENOUGH TO NOTICE IT. PROPOGANDA! ISRAEL WILL NEVER BELIEVE THEY WANT PEACE BECAUSE I CANT. THEY USE WOMEN AND CHILDREN AS SHIELDS LOOK AT THE PICTURES ONLY WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN THE STREETS. I WOULD LIKE TO INVESTIGATE HOW MANY CHILDREN AND WOMEN WAS KILLED BY HAMMAS ON BULLETS, IF YOU LET YOUR WOMEN AND CHILDREN TO BE IN THE CROSS FIRE HAMMAS BULLETS WOULD KILL WOMEN AND CHILDREN. BUT DID COSATO ASK HAMMAS HOW CAN THEY BE SURE IF IT IS THE ISRAELIES BULLETS NO THEY WOULD NOT BECAUSE THEY ONLY WANT TO HEAR AND SEE WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD. COSATO WILL SING ANOTHER SONG IF HAMMAS DOES THE SAME TO THEM TO HAVE THEIR LAND! MY MESSAGE IS STOP THE BIAS HAMMAS DOES NOT WANT PEACE EVER. IF THEY REALLY DID WANT PEACE THEY WOULD HAVE BUILD GAZA UP TO A PRESTIGE LAND, NOT ENGAGE IN TERRORIST ACTS WITH ISRAEL. WHAT IS THE REASON NOT BE INDEPENDED FROM ISRAEL. WHY BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HOW TO RULE AND SUSTAIN THEIR OWN LAND , THEY WANT ISRAEL, EVEN IF THEY GET ISRAEL. OLD HABBITS OF KILLING WILL SOON BE TAKEN UP (PAST BEHAVIOUR PREDICTS FUTURE BEHAVIOUR!) THATS ALL THEY KNOW TO DO. I BELIEVE IN A 2 STATES ISRAEL AND PALESTINE. HAMMAS DUE TO YOUR ROCKETS YOUR LAND IS IN RUINS. ISRAEL WENT PEACFULLY BUT NO YOU MUST FIRE ROCKETS. WHY COULD YOU NOT SUSTAIN YOUR LAND FROM THE SEA BY TRADING WITH OTHER COUNTRIES BUT WAR FROM YOUR SIDE TOWARDS ISRAEL IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN BUILDING YOUR NATION, HAMMAS MUST SHARE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS DISASTER AND IF ISRAEL MUST BE PUNISHED SO MUST HAMMAS. ISRAEL YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELF YOU DID EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW YOU DO NOT WANT GAZA SO MY QUESTION IS WHY ARE HAMMAS CARRY ON FIGHTING AL YOU WANT IS YOUR PEACE TO EXIST.
44. comment
guy ,   israel   (02.17.12)
The answer:he doesn't leave in Israel and never fears to loose a relative in a suicide bombing-the reason why the wall was built.If you and him support mass murder of civilians why don't you say so.And one more thing:learn the facts
45. comment
guy ,   israel   (03.18.12)
Dear Kenneth,why don't you stick to the facts:the palestinians don't want peace but to destroy israel.Israel left Gaza strip in 2005 and the result:more rocket assaults on israel although Gaza is not occupied anymore.Hamas government announced many times that their wish is to destroy Israel.If you support boycott on israel don't forget:what goes around comes around-you also have a lot to loose.And about kasris:communist Jews always operated against their own people so it's not a big surprise
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