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Iran: Israel striking in Gaza because of Winograd report
Dudi Cohen
Published: 01.06.07, 16:53
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1. well we all knew this waqs comming
(06.01.07)
if israel would have responded poorly they would've said it was because of the report. when they respond harshly it's also because of the report. maybe we should all just start river dancing together. that way there's no way to connect it to the report. (tho i'm sure they'll find a way)
2. Islamic logic
Natan   (06.01.07)
Completely screwed up!!! Do they really think we are so stupid to "buy" into their claims!!! And if they do than they are dumber than they look!!!
3. Start teaching residents of Sderot to make Kassam rockets
daniel   (06.01.07)
The Iranians are right, what's the use of having big guns if you can't use them. Let the residents of Sderot built their own home made rockets and fire them at Gaza. They'll have something to do while hiding in their shelters, and it will be good for their morale. We'll have a lot of fun too, because obviously Israel cannot be held responsible for these 'illegal acts.'
4. OMG, it's contagious!
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (06.01.07)
I just know that the CDC(Center for Disease Control) will set up shop over there any day to find out what makes so many of these people spout one stupidity after the other. Is it something in the water or something in the ink with which their Korans are printed? Israel, if your melons and/or chickpeas are involved, it's time to 'fess up. Actually, we want the recipe for whatever dumbs down supposedly sane and educated people so fast.
5. Boody Khalid Marshaal first feed you CHILDREN !
ben ,   singapore   (06.01.07)
They are SUFFERING LIKE ANIMAL by YOUR MILITANT WAYS. SHAYITAN- IBLIS TERRORIST !
6. OMG>....ISreali totally screwed up!!! And now they are
(06.01.07)
making other stupid too..........ehhh they are contagiuos!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7. Israel did lose in Lebanon
John ,   London,UK   (06.01.07)
Most of us in Europe feel that Israel suffered its most humiliating defeat at the hands of Hezbollah in July 2006. Israel's once invinsible army was laid to waste by a bunch of pooly armed Lebanese guerillas. Hezbollah impressed everyone around the world, except ofcourse Bush and Olmert. Winograd Commission's agreed with western experts that Israeli Defence Forces badly failed in their campaign in south Lebanon. And that Hezbollah is now better armed and stronger than before the war. Therefore, I think Iran's Foriegn Minister may have a point in that IDF is trying to show its capabilities to the world. However, as is the case right now in Nahr al Bared camp where Lebanese army is fighting women and children, IDF is also only capable of taking on innocent civlilians because as recent history shows they both armies could not take on real fighters of Hezbollah movement. It is a shame that Israel is being mocked around the world when leaders like Ehud Olmer and Peretz have disgraced a good nation.
8. Right
J K ,   NYC, USA   (06.01.07)
Of course..it couldnt have anything to do with the thousands of Qassams launched even before the current intensified barrage. Of course not...
9. Because of the report.... righto
Chatich   (06.01.07)
Nothing to do with the qassams of course, just more collective punishment for the poor, peace-loving pali victims. Nice to see Islamists still using their age old recipe for Jihad pot-pie: 1) Shoot, bomb, terrorize. 2) Stir vigorously. 3) Blame the Jews. 4) Repeat ad-infinitum. Serve cold with white whine and a side of antipathy. Yummy!
10. wow
Jordan ,   Washington, DC   (06.01.07)
As usual the Iranians show they have no brains... Maybe they should stop to think that the rockets being launched at Sderot that are killing people might have something to do with it...
11. to#7
lebanese observer   (06.01.07)
dear joh, , whatever you may think of the outcome , the israelis practically wiped out most of hizbollah's main units . all hizbollah can do now is lay siege to the parliament in beirut .
12. Another Joke!
Jellybean ,   Chicago   (06.01.07)
Do Arans have Responsibilty and defeat in their vocabulary? Wow! Iran would saying just to make themselves look dumber than they actually are. Keep up the good work Iran!
13. #7, you must be a member of UCU
Chatich   (06.01.07)
Did you ever consider that Israel "lost" last summer's war simply by means of restraint (not that anyone with a brain actually believes they lost - they just failed to win). But you go ahead and keep believing it was all down to the glorious freedom-fighters of hezbolla, "laying waste" (roflmao at that one, btw) to the mighty IDF by shooting rockets from under their mothers' skirts and hiding behind children. How very brave indeed. Just keep dispensing your valuable intellectual commentary, because only a true genious like yourself can see past the myth that Israel held back during the war for fear of killing human shields and other innocents. Only uber-intelligence such as yours can see beyond the popular fallacy that Israel could vaporize all her enemies within a few hours if she only stopped worrying about collateral damage. Clearly all of this is clever fabrication, requiring a nobel-calibre intllectual like yourself to clarify it for us dumb Israelis. BTW, where's our other resident expert on all things mideastern, rustum? The mensa must be worried sick about you two!
14. To John #7
Jordan ,   Washington, DC   (06.01.07)
You have no idea what you're talking about. I find it funny that you can speak for most people in Europe. If you think hezbollah is a group of poorly armed guerillas you only show your ignorance. Hezbollah is fully equipped with all of the latest, top quality Iranian weaponry, including s2s missile systems (remember the Israeli cruiser that was struck in the med?). Israel killed approximately 500 Hezbollah fighters. There is so much in your talkback that is complete rubbish. The IDF is responding to rockets falling on Sderot that have killed and wounded Israeli citizens. If the Lebanese army is fighting women and children... those women and children have some pretty impressive weapons and bomb making skills. Get a clue. I can only imagine that your really some pathetic hezbollah supporter continuing your childhood brainwashing by spreading this nonsense to other people.
15. 7
zionist forever   (06.01.07)
Yes Israel did loose the war but Hezbollah are not poorly armed Lebanese gurrilas. They are the best armed and best trainedof all the terror groups in the region .. they use some of the most advanced weapons you would expect to be used by the millitary. Their weapons are more better than even the Lebanese army have and if they went head to head Hizbullah would smash the Lebanese army with their 30 year old equipment and bad training. Hezbollah are armed by Iran & Syria. They also unlike the IDF knew every dirt path and bush in the area so they knew the terrain like the back of their hand which allways helps. Also it was the fault of various Israeli governments who have gradually reduced the budget for over 10 years they treated the millitary like a money pot to dip into everytime the government wanted to carry out a high profile civilan project because the civilans dont know or care what the IDF gets but they care about civilian projects untill there is a need for the IDF to have been given that money to invest. So less has been spent on trainning for reserves who havnt been needed the way they once were because there hadnt been a conventional war for a long time. For to long the IDF has been either carrying out targeted killings from the saftey of hellicopters or F16s, manning checkpoints or short term in and out misslions into places like Gaza .. they have become more like policemen than a millitary that exists to fight wars. So there has not been enough investment made in training and equipment for reserves. Even tanks were not fitted with protection systems from anti tank rockets .. the palestians didnt have the same kind of modern anti tank rockets that Hezbollah did so they decided not to spend that little bit extra on protecting the tank from rockets and some versions of the merkava 3 were given weaker armour because they had been designed for urban warfare. So under investment and overconfidence were a problem, the tactics that the minister of defense who never served in the IDF an airfocrce general who put to much faith in airpower winning the war all made things worse and then the politcans themselves. Olmert had no clear objectives before he went into Lebanon it was a rushed decision and after handling it all badly he pulled out without achiving anything eccept causing the deaths of soilders and civilians. Its an example of a well trained and equiped enemy and negligence, underinvestment and lack of forward thinking in the millitary and politicians who didnt know what to do, So yes Israel lost but it was for a whole variaty of reasons.
16. Tell me ,what you mean by "lose"
Alan ,   SA   (06.01.07)
Was Israel supposed to kill every member of HezShatan?.Did Israel kill every Jordanian,Egyptian Syrian in last wars eg 67, 73 etc.? They,at least, fought fiercer than HezShatan. Ask any Israel soldier ! Was Israel supposed to suffer 3000 Casualties in Lebanon like US suffered in Iraq?Sorry, am I wrong. Israel could have done better preparation .I do feel they were rushed into Lebanon 2 by other powers for their own selfish needs . Look at Lebanon today after 1 year .Was it really Divine Intervention for NasShatan.Show a list of names of HezShatan Dead. Tell us how many Billion it will cost to rebuild . Things are better prepared by Israel now in the Gaza Campaign. Hamas only wants Israel to invade so when they withdraw it will be another divine victory just like NasShatan! At least NasShatan showed Israel the Iranian Asymetric War Method and Israel took the lesson seriously . Ask any teacher-he will tell you how much the pupils can teach a teacher.
17. John#7 = TOUGH TALKIN TEA-BAG
Larry Sparling ,   Nassau, USA   (06.01.07)
big bad pasty white john#7
18. Maybe the Iranian FM can also tell us....
Jack ,   San Diego, USA   (06.01.07)
what caused the Lebanese government to attack the Palestinian refugee camp?
19. HOW TO STOP ROCKETS ?? the solution here
Palestinian ,   USA   (06.01.07)
Hi,,, I suggest that Isarel government transfer palestinian prisons from Negev and other jails to sderot ... In this case the palestinian rockets will kill the palestinians in that new jails !! So the palestinians will prevent that terrorists from attacking with that fucken rockets ..... thanks,, I hope Israel government look to this suggestion seriously .... bye
20. The dogs bark, the caravan moves on.
martyrmaker ,   Milan, Italy   (06.01.07)
21. #13 - you made my day!
LeoP ,   NYC   (06.01.07)
22. To #19
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (06.02.07)
I have to admit, your idea is not bad. They could put members of the UN in half of those stalls in Sderot, convicted Palestinian criminals in the other half. Then the bookies could lay odds and take bets on which stall gets hit how effectively. Just for drill, there could be targets painted on top of the UN stalls. I think, you should send an email with this suggestion directly to Mr. Olmert.
23. #19 Excellent idea!!!
Turkmenbashi ,   Father of all Turkme   (06.02.07)
24. #19
jason ,   usa   (06.02.07)
even though you might think it would work , it won't. 1. thats using human shields and the IDF is now allowed to do that. 2.Couldn't they just fire somewhere else??
25. #18, let me tell you all about it, Jack.
Persian CAT   (06.02.07)
Since the Iranian FM is not going to answer you, may I try? The Fatah Al Eslam is a group created and financed by the Saudis to fight Hezbollah in Lebanon and maybe other places - it is said the US has some positive "thoughts" about them too despite the fact that it is giving "arms" to the Lebanese government to fight these guys. In a nutshell, the Saudis and US/Israel see their money and hopes going down the drain in the refugee camps in Lebanon and with it their and US/Israel hopes of defeating our at least hurting Hezbollah. The ones who are having the last laughs are the Iranians, of course. You dig?
26. #13, Chatich this.
Persian CAT   (06.02.07)
"they just failed to win"?!!! You must be reading a lot of comic books, or your brainfarts have simply blown away all your senses. There must be a medical term for what you have. If you think that Isreal "failed to win" because it "held back" or Israelis ever gave a rat's ass about "human shields", you're delusional. Pul your empty head out of your arse and admit the facts, and BTW, move on.
27. Israel striking in Gaza because of Winograd report
Bob Walker ,   Denver, USA   (06.02.07)
There is only one word to describe the Iranian FMForeign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki ............... MORON
28. #26 Persian CAT - you move on too!
TheBloodyTruth ,   Australia   (06.02.07)
Hi, Somehow I do not see how HizBoldAss are winners as they can hardly do anything 'bold' through the cordon of European and Lebanese army forces...It's gonna be tough to fire those rockets and turn the EU public opinion against them for making their soldiers the meat in the sandwich...Hmm, hardly a 'victory'... The 'victorious' leader hiding somewhere...etc.etc. You have to accept the fact that you can't beat Israel. It's tough, I know. After all that hate installed in you by the society you live in. The only answer for your ego is to create such 'victories' from time to time (which after the dust settles will look like a bit of... defeats...) So lick your ass (like cats do) and move on too. Cheers!
29. Iran whining out of jealously
Everybody else   (06.02.07)
Can't muster the quality of life most Jews have built, so they at least want a piece of the action. Be careful what you wish for.
30. IRAN
ben ,   singapore   (06.02.07)
IRAN BEEN SUPPLYING WEAPONS TO GAZA TERRORIST AND BEEN THE TRAINING GROUND FOR TERRORIST. SO WHAT IS IRAN TALIKG ABOUT WINOGRAD ? GAZA TERRORIST ARE GETTING THE SAME TREATMENT from the IDF and it is LAWFULL FIFGT AGAINT TERRORIST ! Gaza Bank is a TREASURE of TERRORIST, we find them one by one. Thats ALL, VERY SIMPLE !
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