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Mass Jewish grave from WWII found in Ukraine
Associated Press
Published: 05.06.07, 19:41
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1. 1 sq meter!
Palman   (06.05.07)
i guess all this dead bodies were found burried with 1 sq meter!!!! time to pay up more mecs and bemas you Germans.
2. what is Israel is going to do ?
observer   (06.05.07)
Is Israel going to fund a DNA project to identify identities of the remains? Is Israel is going to offer a grave yard in the Holy Land? That's the least Israel can offer, but I guss NO. Israel prefers that the doors of hell not to open, of course on Israel !
3. Truth be known....
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (06.05.07)
this is only the tip of some horrible iceberg. We lived, literally, right on top of the Westwall where the Nazis used a lot of Russian POW's and what looked like civilians from Poland -a lot of women included with the latter group- as slave labor, building those useless anti-tank ditches. Although, being a nosy kid, I know how some of the women disappeared, but I've often wondered what happened to the men, who froze and were worked and starved to death. They'd be there one day and gone the next, and I don't remember a single funeral for any of them. Worst of all, the guards would make some of these poor people sing and beat them with rifle butts, if it wasn't loud or happy enough. Oh, I know, just like the holocaust, none of this ever happened, either. It's only something a 5 year old kid made up. But how can you describe Godzilla, if you've never seen the movie?
4. It's odd that this site remained a secret for so long
Tracy W   (06.05.07)
There must have been local Ukranians aware of where the bodies were being buried. But it seems that nobody asked them or perhaps they chose not to disclose this location. I wonder how is this being handled by the local press, by the schools.... Although many of those countries would rather forget or suppress this part of their history, ironically, it's the dead that are appearing now to tell their story...
5. #1 my relative and neighbors in that grave.
Rehavam ,   Israel   (06.05.07)
I hope I never going to met u palman. Also I hope ur famaly feel some of pain they had. Half of your nation what ever they are evaporised. Then come. I'll get u some pieces of paper to make u feel better...
6. #3
enzo ,   london,uk   (06.05.07)
I feel the desire to hug you, my friend, and share with you those terrible memories!!! More than human wickedness, we have to fight human ignorance! ...and we have a great job to do!
7. May their soul rest in peace.
Privateer ,   Budapest, Hungary   (06.05.07)
Whoever they were, Jews or not Jews, may their soul rest in peace. YNet. Just a little detail problem in one of the sub-title. 'We must figure out their names'... well, if you need to figure out something, it's already seems to be a hoax. You should learn their names, not figure them out.
8. this is the zionist propaganda. about3#
mah'mud the cossack   (06.05.07)
9. #1 Palman
(06.05.07)
Would you like to try saying that again...but in English this time.
10. M. Hartley
Emily   (06.06.07)
Just want you to know I love your talkbacks always. You are obviously a very good-hearted and down-to-earth woman.
11. May they rest in peace and their memory never forgotten.
Andy ,   ramat hasharon   (06.06.07)
12. .
ely ,   usa   (06.06.07)
alav ashalom
13. may theIr souls find HOME
WILLIESTYLE ,   Orlando,FL   (06.06.07)
its strange to talk back to a news story.Reading the disjointed comments here,I can say use translation programs,people.How can some of U dispute or argue the evidence of the shoah ?(look it up).I have no evidence of how the Egyptians built the pyramids,but they stand in the sand today.I see the truth in history,but I also see to much hate and ignorance here.
14. Ukraine?
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (06.06.07)
So what else is new. They didn't wait for the Nazis to start killing Jews in WW2, and were killing them in pogroms for generations before that.
15. Stalin's Secret Police
Gene ,   Raleigh, USA   (06.06.07)
Dollars to donuts...the victims are non-Jews killed by Bolsheviks. Part of the 15-20 million peasants swept up to bring the utopian dream of Collectivism all...
16. painful for pali propaganda
israeli ,   israel   (06.06.07)
of course this is very uncomfortable for Holocaust deniers, antisemites, pali activists and/or such. Suppose the victims were not Jews, suppose they were Russian prisoners - still a war crime. Genocide. I challenge the Palis to produce evidence of similar mass graves containing the remains of Arabs murdered by IDF. I also challenge them to produce pictures such as the one illustrating this article - emaciated prisoners crowded in barracks, sleeping on bare wood. Experimented on. Gassed in gas chambers. This is how half of European Jewry was exterminated by the Nazis, while Palis only multiply, perpetrate terror and work to annihilate Israel. Most of my family in Lwow is still unaccounted for - perhaps they were among those seen by M. Hartley. Thank you for sharing, M. Hartley.
17. Ukraine grave
Meriem ,   Brussels   (06.06.07)
How do you know these are Jewish corpses.Can one tell a Jewish skeleton from a non-Jewish skeleton??
18. How Do You Know the Remains are of Jews?
World Citizen ,   the world   (06.06.07)
A lot of different ethnic, religious, and national groups were killed. And not all of those killings were done by the Nazis. Maybe these remains belonged to Christians murdered by Bolsheviks during the 20s? Maybe they were Polish army officers murdered by Stalin's willing executioners? Jews weren't the only people that were killed in the Ukraine or during WW2. Oh I forgot ....... for Jews, only the Jews count.
19. 18 World citizen
Margaret   (06.07.07)
People like you just always have to come along and make some meanspirted,heartless comments in response to news of yet another tragedy for the Jewish people. You have no shame at all not to mention no heart.
20. world citizen
Alex ,   NYC   (06.07.07)
First off, Polish officers never made it to near Odessa. You I'm sure know that. Secondly, locals always knew that somewhere close by Nazis murdered lots of Jews. Thirdly, Odessa had a very large Jewish population, many of whom didn't have a chance to leave before Nazis occupation. Ask any Ukrainian in their 80's whether there's a place nearby where Nazis murdered Jews during WWII - they'll tell you of one or two. My own relatives are buried in Babiy Yar, Nizhin and somewhere in Odessa in mass graves. Bolsheviks were mostly Christian too; Soviet terror didn't take off until Ukrainian Stamine / 1930's. Go do some studying. As for the different ethnic groups - in Ukraine, mass graves could only hold bodies of Jews/Gypsies or Soviet prisoners (who for the large part were shipped to concentration camps to do labor for Nazi war machine).
21. Gene from Raleigh
Alex ,   NYC   (06.07.07)
Ukrainian pesants weren't shot enmasse for those of you who know little about Soviet history. They were starved to death or sent to Sibiria. That happened much earlier than the onset of WWII. As for the Odessa, those of us who were born and lived in Ukraine/Soviet Union all know is a city with a very large Jewish population pre and even after war. Locals who lived through WWII if asked would tell anyone that Jews were shot somewhere near. Every town small and large in Ukraine has a mass grave where Nazis shot local Jews. My great-grand parents' siblings were murdered in Nizhin and Kiev's Babiy Yar. Some distant relatives murdered in Odessa but I don't have any clue where.
22. Tracy
Alex ,   NYC   (06.07.07)
Tracy, you are absolutely right. During the Soviet times, it was always preferable to call any victims "Soviet citizens". There were many many Byelorrussians, Ukrainians and Russians murdered during the WWII of course. But for anyone Jewish, of course, there was only one way - to be murdered.
23. palman
Alex ,   NYC   (06.07.07)
Look in the mirror, mate. You'll see someone very ugly in and out. Shame on you.
24. #22 - Alex
Tracy W   (06.07.07)
I'm so sorry about your family. And these events are still present in our collective memory, as if they had only happened yesterday. The pain for all that loss and suffering will never go away.
25. discuss ....????
Richard-Goj ,   Amsterdam Hollland   (06.07.07)
'Let's discuss Holocaust' Swiss president slammed for offering Iran to hold joint conference on 'Shoah perceptions' So it says in another article in this newspaper today. I thought Ahmadinejad's ideas on Holocaust were totally clear. What is there to be discussed? He made his point during his cartoon match in Theran Let the gentlemen discuss matters at the mass graves near Odessa, the flight of stairs at Mauthausen, or the crematoria in Auschwitz. It hurts me to see that even our so called western democratic leaders try to make friends with muslim radicals over the death of 6.000.000 slaughtered Jews. Once more Am Israel chai forever pour toujours navsegda
26. Sorry to rain on your pity party
World Citizen ,   the world   (06.08.07)
Most of the Bolsheviks were atheist Jews. This was particularly true in the leadership positions. Why do you think the Nazis went after the Jews? Just because they were Jews? Sorry it's just not so. And unless someone does DNA testing on the remains in that grave and proves they were Jews, they could be Christian Russians killed by Lenin's Jewish led secret police.
27. World citizen is human trash
Arthur ,   SF   (06.08.07)
28. To:All the revisionists,get real
WILLIESTYLE ,   Orlando,FL   (06.23.07)
Please people if you are going to say something that attacks this news story,know the time in history.While it is true these mass graves could be any persercuted groop in Ukraine/USSR.The loaction and number of victims tells us the probable truth.Usually Russian citizens were shiped out,starved out,or killed in small numbers.Polish army not in area.Secret police also usually took their victims away. And as others have said Oddessa had/has a large Jewish commuinity.This region between Germany and Leningrad-Moscow-Stalingrad/Black Sea is covered with the history of the holocaust.Too many work camps,concentration camps,transit camps,open pit graves,and killing centers to count.All of Europe (east AND west) is covered with history of progroms.Hitler and the Nazi's just used modern technology,to kill more people of all kinds/creeds.Examine the facts,not some revisionist slander.Look at what can be seen with an open mind,its not about pity,it about leaning the lessons of our collective (ha,ha) past.NEVER AGAIN,Darfur,Sudan,the Kurds
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