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Yonathan Shapira: Israel the real 'refusenik' - of peace
Yitzhak Benhorin
Published: 09.06.07, 11:35
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1. Isn't this decadence? So sad...
Caroline ,   Israel   (06.09.07)
2. #1- yes, it does have an irrational, decadent smell
Cameron ,   USA   (06.09.07)
Better an 'alivenik' than a 'refusenik'.
3. without the "occupation"
Bram   (06.09.07)
the Arabs in the west bank and Gaza will not have money to pay the electricity and water supplier ,Peace will make them poor, now they can have the"Poor me Palis" and get free education and asylum in Europe where they should spread the religion of peace. Chaval al hazman, sleep well refuznik,
4. Apology For Being Alive.
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (06.09.07)
Is the noise from my breathing disturbing you? Don't bother to kill me, I'll do it myself.
5. Thanks
Alia   (06.09.07)
Thank you Combatants for Peace, I can't see why you are so harshly criticized but keep on the good work, and thank you for your clever and compassionate perceptions.The world would need more people like you.
6. Traitor
(06.09.07)
7. Can you spell..........
moish ,   Jerusalem   (06.09.07)
S-E-L-F H-A-T-I-N-G J-E-W T-R-A-I-T-O-R A-R-R-E-S-T T-R-I-A-L E-X-E-C-U-T-I-O-N ?????????????
8. what a shocker?
jack ,   usa   (06.09.07)
the retards at the UN give these ttraitors a pulpit, and Ynet adds to it by putting this garbage to press
9. TRAITORS should be imprisoned.
andy ,   orlando,fl   (06.09.07)
10. #9 - Traitor in another way
Khalid ,   The Netherlands   (06.10.07)
I guess you are a much worst traitor than Yonathan. Why? well, at least he fought for Israel, while you sat at yiour miserable pool in Orlando. Yonathan is a man who fought like any man for what he thought was right at a certain moment, and once he found out the the cause he fought for, was not the just cause he was misled to believe, he switched to fighting for justice, thus remaining a fighter and a man. What are you fighting for? the preparation for your next pool party? Where you are going to get the needed grass to stone your head with? Have a nice pool party in sunny Orlando
11. to #10 Khalid:I am former Israeli paratrooper(Tzanchanim)
andy ,   orlando,us   (06.10.07)
Khalid I fought for Israel for 3 years as a paratrooper eating terrorists for breakfast.So next time before you open your big mouth make sure you have your facts right.These 2 Israelis in their disloyalty probably forgot to mention all the suicide bombings in Israel,rockets being fired daily from Gaza (after Israel withdraws) and Hezbollah rearming in the North.The biggest injustice is that the arabs refused to accept the 1947 UN partition plan.The arab agenda is destruction of Israel>israel owes the Arabs nothing.I think you should stop smoking the weed in Amsterdam and go back to Saudi Arabia or wherever you are from.
12. #11 - The former paratrooper
Khalid ,   The Netherlands   (06.10.07)
Ok it seems I' ve mistaken you for one of those Christian Zionists sitting comfortably in America and inciting more hatred (by remote control) between Israel and its Arab neighbours when in fact they do not like both. Now that you said it, Yonathan's fight is nevertheless a better one than youyrs when it comes to the ailment you are talking about, meaning terrorism. Terrorism can only be fought by addressing the injustices which creates the breeding ground for it to thrive and take roots. Yoyr fight is like the futile fight of a doctor trying to cure a patient by trying to suppress the symptoms of the patient ailment (administering pain-killers or the like), whereas a skilled doctor (OK he will administer pain killers to relieve the symptoms for a while) but he knows that the real fight is a fight aginst the underlying cause of the ailment, and he knows that he has to sruggle hard to find it and then start fighting. That is what Yonathan is trying to do. Your fight (OK it has relieved the symptoms for a while) but you know very well that it has not and will not eradicate the ailment. As soon as the pain killer passes its effect period, the patient will come back knocking at your door. To make my point that the terrorism find its roots in injustice, let 's refer to Israeli history before 1948. At that time, When there was periods of uncertainties among the Israelis as to the intentions of the British mandate authorities regarding the issue of statehood, Israeli paramilitaries at the time also resorted to terrorism (The King David Hotel , the recurrent abduction and execution of British soldiers, ...) . It all stopped after the Israelis got what they thought it was just. Unfortunately, they forgot that another population group was living there too, and those too have their aspirations for justice nationhood and decent life. I think you have to acknowledge that those issues are granted to one side only, and denied the othat and that is what Yonathan is trying to reddress and rectify. Regarding Saudi Arabia, I personally, personally oppose the lack of freedoms there just as I oppose the injust Israeli policies against the Palestinians. Mind you that in the case of Saudi Arabia it is the internal policy of a state, the Saudu government is occupying nobody' s land. is not building settlements against international, and not humiliating people on checkpoints.
13. to #12 Dr Khalid: arab injustice towards Israel
andy ,   orlando,fl   (06.10.07)
Your medical analogy does not explain the fact that the arabs have never accepted Israels right to exist and never will.They rejected the 47 partion plan and attacked Israel repeatedly via terrorism from 1948-1967 BEFORE the conquering/occupation of the West Bank/Gaza.Even in 2000 Arafat rejected Baraks proposal for return 95% west bank/gaza.Explain to me Khalid if all the arabs want is Israeli withdrawal from West Bank/gaza,why are they rocketing Israel when the latter has completely withdrawn from Gaza? The root cause of the problem is that the arabs do not recognize Israels right to exist in secure borders.This is the real injustice!!!
14. re: #9 and #12 khalid
jack bauer ,   usa   (06.17.07)
please would you consider packing up and leaving my country right away....thanks for that...even though I'm not there right now....Id really apreciate coming back and not having to run into hoards of people like you spouting crap everytime you speak.....you seem to have forgotten that there was/is another population group living in NL....and NL belongs to them.....not you....so pack your stuff.....and relocate to some arabian paradise.....it doesnt have to be Saudi there are loads of other lands that the invasive occuping arab peoples have cleansed and have now "made arab" Thanks, I knew youd understand see fighting the injustice of allowing occupiers into NL wasnt allowed, people were told to keep quiet, but I assure you the people never and dont now want you living there. So according to your logic if the injustice against my people isnt addressed, the result will be?
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