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Burg: Israeli fascism result of Shoah trauma
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Published: 11.06.07, 18:04
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1. Dear Sir
enzo ,   london,uk   (06.11.07)
In the past few days I have read alot about you, your life and your opinions on Israel. Do you know why? Because there are loads and loads of international political fora that are reporting AND enjoying your views on "fascist" Israel. It goes without saying that we are all entitled to express our opinions, but clever people like you and me should think at least twice before stating that in Israel there exists today "belligerence, growing fascism and surging nationalism"!!!
2. Our Present Trauma
Kate ,   Jerusalem   (06.11.07)
To claim the Shoah is the source of Israel's current lack of trust in the world community is blind, foolish and utterly wrong. Yes, most Israelis deeply distrust the "world community" (ie: UN) - but for real reasons with real background and really long years of patiently trying to work with them. Is it possible that this shoah trauma that has caused "belligerence" is something personal with Burg? Perhaps he should consider this.
3. Where is the profit?
sellier ,   Lyon, France   (06.11.07)
Or in french: à qui profite le crime ? Dear Avraham Burg, You are of course welcome to work and live in my country. Are you aware that you are hurting my (jewish) family and your (jewish) family by posting this kind of opinions? Last time you wrote some harsh opinions about Israel and zionism, the antisemites threw your opinions into my face. I remember having written to you under my real name in order to protest, and receiving no answer. OK, you seem to suffer a lot from Israels policies and the present situation of its society. Do you wish to change things, or would you rather make everybody suffer, so that you won't be alone anymore? Where is the profit here? Best regards, Monique Sellier
4. This is What Happens When Israelis
World Citizen ,   the world   (06.11.07)
start believing the lies their own leaders feed them on a daily basis. After 62 years of shoah business hyperbole and the demonization of Islam, the Palestinians, Muslim culture, and Middle Eastern countries what else can you expect? Your sad little country is only reaping the whirlwind it has sown. And what will you get for all the trouble and misery you have caused? Payback a thousand times. Right now the Americans have your back in the United Nations. They veto every UN resolution renouncing your racist apartheid policies and bellecose actions against your neighbors. But the Americans won't be there forever. Theirs is an empire in decay. It will be brought down by the greedy actions taken by its centralized banking system and its easily bought politicial parties. When America goes like the USSR went; Israel will be alone to face the righteous wrath of a fed up world. If Israelis had any sense at all they would ask their leaders to leave occupied Palestine, the Golan Heights and the Shabaa Farms area today. They would renounce political assassinations carried out by the Israeli government . They would truly seek meaningful dialog with their neighbors in the Middle East. This is the only way that your country will every know peace and security. To do otherwise is suicidal.
6. Meschugge? Madjnun?
Frankie ,   Tel Aviv   (06.11.07)
Avrum, I'm schocked & flabbergasted! You are now an Ffench citizen, you state that Sarkozy - a friend of israel & politician of Sephardi descent - is a treat to peace etc. What dybbuk has penetrated your tormented Jewish (?), galuthic soul? You are now an typical nihilistic cosmoppolite, of the type that was blasted by Stalinist propaganda in 1948-53, alas...Not national religious (as your late father was), not veritable Social democrat, half "Jecke", half Anarchist - you are a walking riddle, a walking parody.Ir I were religoous (I'm secular), I would pray and WEEP for you.
7. Someone's Mad at Dad
Logic ,   Israel   (06.11.07)
This whole Burg issue seems like sour grapes with Israeli society and especially an emotinal family issue. What better way to get even with "dad" than to completely go against everything he stood for? I recall that MacArthur's son became an artist, Krushchev's son ran away to America, and Ben Gurion's grandson runs a fancy hotel in NYC.
8. #1 + #2
potential tourist ,   U.K.   (06.11.07)
all my tourist friends have told me that israel is a really nice place where there are polite,gentle,helpful,sympathetic,tolerant,warm-hearted,patient,kind,non-beligerent,non-violent,loving,caring nationalistic fascists.
9. I love it
RJ ,   Canada   (06.11.07)
yet another Israeli that makes sense. Hope Burg's voice rings loud and clear and he is able to convince the Jewish (and non-Jewish) bystanders that by their silence they are allowing bullies to run the Israeli government and the country with disastrous results. I have always feared the danger of the bullied becoming bullies... and that is also happening with the Palestinians. What a deplorable, sad mess there is in the Middle East! Where are the mature people who know that violent force and collective punishment are not the answer if one wants to establish peace with one's neighbours.
10. #8 ~oxymoron~
pun ,   not intended   (06.11.07)
11. Pity his father can't see this.....
Ilan ,   Ariel   (06.11.07)
He raised this parasite so it would only be proper to have him cleam up after him. He took the easy way out of it. Any one with eyes in their head could see that he was a egoist and a manipulator. Since he "left" politics he has gone from scandal to scandal. Now that he has become "French" the next step is to change his name and get baptised. Go for it Avril.
12. Disgusting.
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (06.11.07)
No other comment necessary.
13. WHO SOLD HIM HIS DRUGS?
yaakov ,   JERUSALEM   (06.11.07)
14. #10
potential tourist   (06.11.07)
well,that's a PUNny pun if ever I saw one;yes indeed:oxyMORON;nevertheless it's a BITTER-SWEET (oxymoronic)comment on the PARAAAAADOXICAAAAAAL .AAAH, I feint,no sorry.faint.have u got a glass of H20 4 me?otherWISE....
15. 12 terry,eilat
rastafarian ,   nottingham.uk.   (06.11.07)
hey,man,why don't you just konfess that it was you that done the red paint in tel aviv cos you was doin qat
16. 'growing fascism & surging nationalism'??
Cameron ,   USA   (06.11.07)
Why Mr. Burg, I do believe those mis-named qualities are the same ones that have kept you & your family alive all these years! The only thing'plaguing' Israel these days seem to be tidalwave of whining, sniveling, and self-loathing affected by the Left/Progressive community. Beware the rot from within!
17. Ernst Zuendel remains in jail denied his freedom
Sarah   (06.11.07)
18. Burg a joke
Joshua ,   Pittsburgh, PA USA   (06.11.07)
I figured it was an absolute mistake to invite him to the counter-ISM conference at Duke in 2004. Now this just reinforces my belief that he was more fit for their conference than ours.
20. Psychiatrist Speaks
David ,   New York   (06.12.07)
Burg has made a series of statements that are a quite neutral assessment of the situation, and has ventured a theory to explain that situation. His theory is also quite neutral. What is surprising is the small torrent of abuse posted here by a tiny self-selected group of internet readers. As a psychiatrist, it's always of interest to me to watch individuals like these in action.
21. World Citizen # 4
Ginette ,   Toronto, Canada   (06.12.07)
The planet you come from must be as small as your "you know what"! Obviously, you don't see the whole picture.
22. TO WORLD CITIZEN-NICE TRY BUT NO THANK YOU.
MIRA ,   ISRAEL   (06.12.07)
FIRSTLY I REMEMBER THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU HATE JEWS COS THEY CLAIM TO BE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE AND THATS ARROGANT. SO WHAT IS IT NOW WITH RETURNING ALL THOSE TERETORIES? OR YOU JUST WANT TO DESTROY ISRAEL COS REALLY I DONT THINK YOU CARE FOR ARABS OR ISLAM. WE TRUST IN GOD NOT AMERICA OR ANYTHING ELSE WE WILL PREVAIL . WHEN THE WHEEL TURNS DONT AXPECT US TO LEAVE YOU ALIVE MY LITTLE ANTISEMITE GOY.
23. #20 Psychiatrist
rastafarian ,   nottingham uk   (06.12.07)
hey,man;ain't no such thing as neutral mouthings.but i like yor inklinashun to voyeurism;kinky,man;where you at,man,i'll join you.
24. young Burg
Yisraeli   (06.12.07)
If you have followed the history of this Burg you will know he is not even a shadow of his father. This Burg is not stupid hes highly learned but wow he comes up with some real doozies. He is a very confused individual and always comes up with the most extreme comments, maybe hes afraid people have forgotten him. So he needs headline catchers. Either way and his learnedness notwithstanding, hes always been a putz and a shmuk at best. Nothing new. At least he can claim fame from the enemies of the Jews and Israel. I wish he would grow up already. But I wont hold my breath.
25. Israel is suffering because of morons like Burg
Yonatan ,   Los Angeles   (06.12.07)
26. iMPRESSED AT HIS HONESTY
USA ,   USA   (06.12.07)
I must say, he speaks very honestly and the loss of trust is an issue. i hope Israel is strong enough to over come this paradox of fear and power. good luck people we are counting on you. do the right thing. stop with the over reaction to the Palestinians. the grief you are causing them will only cause problems. ONE MUST heAL AND HAVE FAITH.
27. Wrong, World Citizen
Korem ,   New York, USA   (06.12.07)
The reason Israelis are, as you imply, paranoid, is not because of "being fed lies by their leaders" but because they had to deal with threats of annihilation numerous times. Were you alive in 67 in Israel or in 73 when the country was about to be invaded from all sides, little girls looking in the outskirts of Tel Aviv for Arab soldiers whose sole purpose, as stated by their own Egyptian translated-to-Hebrew radio stations played in Israel to cause fear, was to rape and slaughter every last Israeli? Were you alive when you had to watch as Nasser gathered crowds of people from every conceivable Arab country, with little children and old women all chanting "death to israel! Destroy the Israelis ! Death to the Jews!", and sending their soldiers off to the border while the UN buffer force decided to pack up and leave by the request of Nasser? Were you alive when the Japanese and German terrorists hijacked planes and separated the Jews ( more apartheid than anything you claim) and took them as hostages in Africa (Uganda), or just opened fire in the airport with the intent to kill as many as possible? The reason Israelis are "fascist" is, as this article states, BECAUSE the world displays a biased and unfair anger towards Israel, whose numerous positive contributions and humanitarianism is completely ignored or denied by the likes of you, and whose right to self-defense is interpreted as solely "belligerence" deserving of "payback a thousandfold". Israelis have to deal with the threat of annihilation every day, they are NOT, as you say, "fooled" by leaders who display 'hyperbole". Hell, just your post alone is enough to give an Israeli cause for worry, the statements of neo-nazis and muslim extresmists on the internet is enough to convince Israelis why they must take a hardline stance and once again, not "hyperbole" by leaders. Israelis know the good side to their own nation, and know that people like you don't, and won't, and THAT's the reason why any hyper-nationalism exists. Until you live in Israel, you can't be an expert on Israeli psychology.
28. #19 I've posted much nastier TB's
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (06.12.07)
I would only give myself a 3.5 out of 6 for this one.
29. reading these comments...
jasmin   (06.12.07)
proves that Burg is right! just read above ....
30. As a CHIEF Psychiatrist...
enzo ,   london,uk   (06.12.07)
I like to watch the psychiatrist taking interest in what talkbackers on YNET have to say (and FREE OF CHARGE)!!!
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