But those clothes you describe so nicely , are much more adapted to our climate .

not everyday attire.

I do not understand how someone can so deterioriate intellectually in under a year, but you are now manifestly unable to reason logically or with any subtlety. However, you are surely right that this is part of a political campaign. Duh! That's what a march in JERUSALEM is! It's not a party. As for this being a "bestiality parade," I would say that the beast is actually you. Love, sk

And what about murder for that matter? If you could get away with it, that is. If we are capable of murdering then there must not be a God?!?!?

"citizens for an equal , sane Israel" is maybe connected to Meretz Youth . BUT CERTAINLY NOT TO THE OPEN HOUSE , apolitical organisers of this parade . As some , or many , other tbers from abroad , you think to know very much about MY country , but you are very wrong . Not all will concede their lack of knowledge , they stay silent after they've been told the truth . They had better been silent before .

I feel so blessed that God loves all of the gays in the world.

I see that the charedeim are finally demonstrating against the male sexual abuse and rape in their own mikvaot and yeshivot. Oops, I'm sorry. Wrong Hafganah. I thought that they would finally come to terms with that ugly issue instead of picking on decent people who have their own lifestyle.

Where did i talk about bestiality or incest ? Tell me Ben , where do you see a relation between my # 31 and your [ stupid as always ] tb ? i need no god to tell me not to murder , i wo'nt do it . You , and the people ressembling you , certainly need a god who tells you not to murder , not to steal , to respect your parents , and so , because otherwise who knows how you would behave .

call as you want. These all are threathing to take over Israel from all sides,all sides! It is scaring to watch this process.

Not only ignorant , but supersticious bigot too . When do you come to Petach tikva ?

As one who has spent his whole life involved in theological philosophy, I can recognize you as incapable of philosophical thought. If you think that ny my numbering your talkback as 31 instead of 30 you are going to get away with not having to think then do so. If you are incapable of seeing the 100% flaw in your philosophical eveidence of the non-existense of god and the Natural NECESSARY conclusions that your foolish intellect derives then I have no time for you.

If god has created bestiality, why has he created bestiality (or murder). If i dislike something , i will not make it . So again some possibilities . 1] he has created them , to call them a sin later . Where is the logic ? 2] he has created them because he thinks it's OK to practice bestiality(or murder) . So why condemn them . Or 3] the most credible : there is no god. **Chances are, your philosophical handicap will not allow you to comprehend this but I pity those of lower intellect and felt it was worth a try.

For a man who was involved his life in theological philosophy , you do'nt show much of this . Were did i talk about bestiality or murder ? You change my writing to allow you to say something i did not even relate . If you compare Gays to murderers or bestiality , if you think it's the same , you are not worth that i waste my time with you . All your philosophical studies were also a waste of time , they did not learn you anything , dumb stays dumb .

Yes truly "nice" people those who are against this parade . A lier , kyle . Then one who transforms your writings in order to meet his ideas , this Ben of Jerusalem . Than this most ignorant Keren , who do'nt knows that there are other countries in the world than her native Brazil [ happy to get rid of her ] russia and Israel . The last two , Miriam and this guy called Phantom , who can't answer a serious tb , and who don't understand it . What a pack of ......[ not in my english vocabulary yet , but certainly not a nice word ]

I see that you are really trying to comprehend the flaw in your arguments and I sincerely give you credit for that. You see, from a intellectual philosophical point of view your logic is flawed. You are trying to argue that the existence of something contrary to the the will of a creater either 1)proves the Non-existence of the creater, or 2)the Moral acceptance of that thing or act by the creater. That same logic can be applied to Murder, Bestiality,Incest or any negative thing you want to justify. In fact it is your use of Homosexuality in the argument that classifies homosexuality as an immoral vice. You wouldn't have argued that the existence of flowers proves god doesn't exist. Keep trying, I suspect that your anger at some of my posts is in fact an expression of your own internal struggle with RIGHT and WRONG and what they REALLY mean.

The state of Israel schorrers on behalf of all the Israelis like you who are too ashamed to go collecting for themselves. Israel has schorrered $3 billion per year for the last quarter century from the US. I'm sure you've got your fair share. Go on, have a go at those hardeim who have many more expenses and sacrifice luxuries in order to live a religious life.

i do not want to justify murder , bestiality , incest , those can't be justified . For the rest , i do not want to waste my time with you look at my last tb.

First of all , i see you do'nt know Yiddish , it's schNorren not schorren . Not so important . I'm lucky not to need to receive , but to give . My fair part of this money is nearer to one pence than to one of your pounds So that's you first error . Now the US funding . It's not your money , not important . Do you know this saying : people give nothing for nothing ? well it's the same with the money the USA "gives" us . This money has , mostly if not entirely , to be spend for the purchase of US made arms and other products . This money buys the USA the right to interfere in our politics and exports . You maybe do'nt know that the USA has opposed the sale of some Israeli made weapons . The USA also knows very well that Israel is the only country who will not betray her , the only faithful ally and friendly nation .So that's not schnorren , it's in common interest . Your second error . Regarding the Charidim's [ not chardeim as you write ] expenses . Having lived Begalut , i know that kosher food is much more expensive there than here . In Galut , kosher food costs twice the price of non kosher food . Here food is not expensive . Of course if you have many children , you have more expenses [ per capita and in net figures ] I read in one tb that they study 15 hours a day , 7 days a week . Were are their incomes originate from ? yes , schnorren . Not themselve , they have no time , they have to "lernen" [ = study ] If they have problems by sacrifying luxuries , they only have to change their way of life , less children , work not study . I have already noticed that many tb'ers from abroad do'nt know very much about Israel and her population . You are not an exeption . PS English is only my third language , sorry for the mistakes .

Everytime I try and have a logical discussion or debate with someone like you I end up regretting the waste of time. Have you ever seen a 300 pound heavy weight fighter get into the ring with an unexperienced 100 pound weakling. Well that's how I feel having an intellectual debate with you. You aren't even able to grasp my basic point to even have an honest discusiion regarding the facts. It might make you a less frustrated person than I am but I wouldn't ever trade my life for an igrorant one. Once again, Keep trying.

Given your vast background ("As one who has spent his whole life involved in theological philosophy, I can recognize you as incapable of philosophical thought") I am amazed that you use none of the language of philosophy or, so far as I can tell, of theology. You just prattle, without even offering any references. For example, someone of minimal competence would surely use the word "theodicy" in this context. By the way, there is no need to suppose that, if God exists, he "created" any particular sin. I shouldn't have to instruct someone with your vast knowledge about such commonplaces as "free will."

your talk backs are frustrating for everyone and a waste of time for developped persons .