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Rabbi: Don’t name your kids ‘Herzl’
Neta Sela
Published: 22.06.07, 19:34
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31. Avraham Yosef ,YOU ARE A NOTHER KHOMEIYNI
reuven ,   usa   (06.23.07)
dont call this shit head a rabbi please.from time to time his father as well farted wrong words from his mouth.god help us with these foolish pepole in the land of zionist.i say cut his salary aand put him in a nut house called SHALVATA IN MAGDIEL
32. Shas for you
Steven Stein ,   USA   (06.23.07)
Shas party! Is a horrable Sephardic Party! How dare they insult Zionist as evil. I believe that Israel founded by zionist should expell all religious nuts like Shas or any Ultra Orthodox parties, besides all they care about is financial aid. send them to the army and to Gaza with Hamas. Believe its fun for them!
33. Sometimes Jews are THEIR own Worst Enemy...
Darren ,   Tampa, FL U SA   (06.23.07)
I guess the foreskin can grow back...
34. First the Arabs, then the Gays, then people named Herzl
David ,   Los Angeles   (06.23.07)
who's next?
35. #1
mark ,   ca   (06.23.07)
Viva Prozac!!! ;-)))
36. #12
Maidel ,   NY   (06.23.07)
Please explain how this is an anti-Jewish article. Last time I checked, Herzl was instrumental in founding the State of Israel. If a rabbi bans the use of his name, that is newsworthy.
37. to #18 Beslal
rami   (06.23.07)
u're the first reasonable talkbacker i've ever heard.....wish there were more of ya.....i flew several times as a pals on my way to amman through palestine/israel and believe me when i tell u there is lots of wide barren spaces where many ppl arabs & jews could be settled in peace if a system of true secular democratic nature like US or UK was established with representation for ALL..... refugees can be educated & rehabilitated..... the money spent on this conflict since a 100 years ago.....a fraction of it can create logistic creative solutions.......if only concessions can be truely initiated by TRUE leaders......then hate will be erased from the hearts on BOTH sides....it's really not hard.......this is not a dreamy jon lennon song.....it's the stupidity & travesty of humans everywhere......mideast, usa, europe that it's not dealth with like that.
38. Rabbi Avraham Yosef
Avraham ,   Ottawa, Canada   (06.23.07)
To "Rabbi"Yosef , a message from the Pirke Avoth: Look not at the wine jug but what it contains. There may be a new jug (Herzl-our founder)full of old wine, and an old jug (You,"Rabbi") that does not even have any new wine in it.
39. What country does he live in? Oh, right.
Ariel ,   TA, Israel   (06.23.07)
40. #25 - I dont think his Mother would like that :)
Ariel ,   TA, Israel   (06.23.07)
41. SHAS ?
Franklin ,   Paris FRANCE   (06.23.07)
SHAS is sounding like SHAME.
42.  Herzl's Zionism
Avraham ben Adam ,   usa   (06.23.07)
Though Zionism has accomplished many wonderful things for so many Jews, there is a hidden dark side. Like a coin, there is both a head and a tail.
43. Besalel
charles ,   petach tikva   (06.23.07)
Will you reproach to a true convert to Judaism that he was a non Jew ? No of course . If someone changes his mind , have you to condemn him for his first ideas ? No serious person will do this . Herzl was thinking that conversion would be a solution to the Jewish "problem" , and later saw that he was wrong , that the only solution was a Jewish State . And thanks to him , we have it now .
44. #30 - Facts about Herzl's children
Meir Elazar   (06.23.07)
Theordor Herzl had three children: Pauline, Hans, and Trude. Unfortunately Herzl's children had problems. Pauline suffered from mental illness and her death impacted Hans who committed suicide. Hans had converted to Christianity under difficult personal problems and later recanted. Trude perished at the hands of the Nazis. See following resource quotes and try a little compassion. Try understanding what these people were suffering and don't damn them unfairly. QUOTE FROM USATODAY and URL provided below. "Pauline suffered from mental illness and died in 1930, at the age of 40, apparently of a morphine overdose. Hans, who converted to Christianity, committed suicide when he learned of her death. He was 39." "Herzl's youngest daughter, Trude, died in a Nazi concentration camp during the Holocaust at the age of 50. Her body was never found." "Feldestein presented evidence that Hans had returned to Judaism later in life and was ultimately buried in a Jewish cemetery in France." "Shlomo Amar, one of Israel's chief rabbis, issued a recent religious ruling allowing for the reburial, saying the conversion to Christianity was conducted under conditions of great sorrow and therefore not valid." http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-09-20-herzl-children_x.htm
45. Could a prophecy denied have saved millions?
Meir Elazar   (06.23.07)
Many of the religious Jews castigated Herzl for suggest Uganda as an interim solution. The Ottoman Empire controlled Palestine and Uganda was offered to Herzl who raised the option at one of the last World Zionist Congresses before his death. The Relgious Jews walked out. But in retrospect it might have saved millions of Jews from the holocaust. Europe was closing its doors on Jews and they had nowhere to go as the Nazi rose to power in the 30's and proceeded to murder 6 million. Palestine was under the British Mandate and the White Paper limited immigration. Maybe if the Jews had Uganda as an interim solution with open immigration policiies, millions might have been saved. Both Herzl and Moshe (Moses) had a major impact on Jews. And both had misfortune with their children. We should not be too quick to judge.
46. He is right
(06.23.07)
The one who write such protocols must be an evil inside him and he caused most of the troubles that the Jews had in the modern time by his zionism ideas and made most of the world worry from the Jews because of his plan to rull the world by his snacky ways and we see it now that the zionists rulling the super power of the world the USA and through the American government they do what they want in the world .... who else can think like this than an evil .
47. Meir Elazar
charles ,   petach tikva   (06.23.07)
Thank you for telling some facts to many people , who see [ or want to see ] only one a part of Herzl : Uganda and conversion . Those were only his first ideas , his final idea , "Der Judenstaat " had the major impact we know , and for wich we have to honor his Memory as much as possible .
48. Michael....nr 1
leon ,   Grand Rapids USA   (06.23.07)
Sorry, but there is no psychiatric treatment available for utter strupidity.
49. Meir Elazar (nr 10)
leon ,   Grand Rapids USA   (06.23.07)
Pretty good analysis..however I would only add that the schools he diverts money to are seats not of learning, but of dissemination of propaganda reflecting his agenda.
50. herzl
miriam ,   usa   (06.23.07)
in answer to david- please go to shofar amnon yitzhak on the internet and watch the video on herzl and perhaps you will see another side
51. What's in a name?
Steve G ,   Kew Gardens, NY, USA   (06.23.07)
I named my pet hamster 'Herzl'. Now all he eats are Jerusalem artichokes.
52. "Evil and indecent"
Guy ,   Israel   (06.23.07)
It is with complete conviction that I have to say the demise of Israel will be brought about by the "evil and indecent" Ultra religious from all sects who do nothing but 'milk" the State and cause problems on all fronts and with all issues. I stress the ultra religious, not all religious people. They are ant State, anti Zionist, anti democracy, give nothing and take all they can in return. How long must this travesty go on ? When will the People demand a stop to it ? All relationships in life must be two way. If you go into a one way street, you invariably face a dead end. Shame on this man and his cohorts.
53. Guy # 52
charles ,   petach tikva   (06.23.07)
Please do'nt generalise . In Yeroushlaim , 10.8 % of the work force is Charidi . So there are GOOD people amongst them . You know my views regarding the Charidim , but try to stay objective . Regarding other points , you are right .
54. Herzl wanted mass conversions to Christianity
Michael Schoen ,   Haifa, Israel   (06.23.07)
The Rabbi is absolutely right. Theodor Herzl, spoke often of his plan to have all Jews baptized to undergo mass conversions to Christianity. He's certainly not a shining example of what being a Jew is all about.
55. about avraham yosef's stupidity
grajek michel ,   paris france   (06.23.07)
every week news from Israel reveal a big v"shmuck"; a week ago, it was a.Burg, this week the winner is rabbi Avraham Yossef.. Who's next?
56. You all!
Nachum ,   Jerusalem   (06.23.07)
How dare you speak so outrageously about a religious authority! Would you say the same ugly things about the Pope? Anyway, rabbi Avraham Yosef is right. Hertzl wanted to solve the Jewish problem by means of total assimilation and rejection of Judaism.
57. LMAO MY DADS NAME IS HERZL
(06.23.07)
58. I THINK WE FORGOT HERLZ MADE HAKAMA MEDIANA ISRAEL YEHUDIT..
(06.23.07)
59. Herzl's children
Hugo Schmdit-Fischer ,   Berlin   (06.24.07)
Perhaps if Herzl had not driven himself relentlessly for all of the Jewish people, he would not have died exhausted at the age of 44, his fortune spent and his family destitute. Maybe he would have taken better care of his children, in a manner more befitting his means and status. Maybe if Herzl would have taken more time for himself, he would have conducted himself better ins some respects. But he was posessed by a fire to help the Jewish nation. To find fault at some of his unfortunate neglect is is not only an act of unkindness, but this Rabbi ought to be depossed of his position. He cannot serve in a Jewish state. And the whole concept of state run Rabbinical bureacrats should be abolished. Rabbis should teach people that want this service, and who are willing voluntarily to pay for this. If "Rabbi" Yosef then will find employ, he will have to behave. Like the rest of us do.
60. Hertzl was one of the greatest Jews to ever
Wendy in Chicago   (06.24.07)
walk on this planet.
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