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MK sexually assaulted me, political activist says
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Published: 11.07.07, 15:48
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31. next it will be shas! LOL
shas? ,   Israel   (07.11.07)
32. here we go again....
female ,   TA   (07.11.07)
33. Lies or not
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (07.11.07)
When my daughter was 19 and a student, she was assaulted in the park around the corner where she lived. One night, she couldn’t sleep, decided to go for a walk and ended up at the edge of this park, where she sat in a swing. While there, she saw a young man as he happened to pass under a nearby streetlight. She didn’t give him a second thought until, 5 minutes later, he grabbed her around the neck from behind, held a knife to her throat and threatened to kill her, if she didn’t do exactly as he said. Well, my daughter was a member of her school’s ROTC (Reserve Officer’s Training Corps) very athletic, not afraid of too much and very observant. She realized that his knife was not a standard type, but a carpet cutting tool; with a red handle. When he ordered her off the swing, she slammed the seat against him and, having knocked him off balance, took off running, went home and called the cops. What a disaster!!! They blamed her for the situation by being in the park at that hour; what was she doing there; did she have a fight with her boyfriend; is she trying to get attention; go home, little girl, we have important things to take care of etc. etc. In other words, they brushed her off as a dippy college kid and did nothing. Being her mother’s daughter, and getting more pissed about the fact that the cops belittled her than over having had a knife held to her throat, she decided to take things into her own hands. Not only did she get a gun, but going on the assumption that her assailant, too, must live in walking distance to the park, she kept her eyes open for him. One afternoon, sitting on the stoop of her building with a friend, she saw the guy half a block down the street, getting out of a station wagon. So, she took off, confronted him, blocked him from getting back into his car and started a big screaming ruckus which promptly collected an audience and brought the cops. When they threatened to arrest her for disturbing the peace, she challenged them to look in his car for a red-handled carpet knife. To cut a long story short, when they found it and still, mostly to shut her up, ran his license and tag, he turned out to be an escaped convict – surprise, surprise, for rape – and was wanted in two other states for the same thing. He had been hiding in plain sight in an apartment area mostly occupied by students and had, in fact, been working as an independent carpet installer for the company with the maintenance contract for the university. Since he was going back to jail for the rest of his life on the prior conviction, she did not press charges, but demanded and got a written apology from the police department and an age exception for a gun and a concealed weapon’s permit. She, still, carries a loaded gun in her purse and has the permit, and heaven help the next guy who even thinks of assaulting her. I can, however, attest to the fact that having been assaulted is something she’s never forgotten and though those and other charges are now and then manufactured, they should be checked out. If they’re false, go after the liars to the same degree as the law should go after the real perpetrators. It seems that men have no idea as to the rage in women, when they’re taken advantage of because they’re physically smaller or don’t have the political, economic or whatever clout of the man. Unfortunately and for the same reasons, most women turn the rage inward and end up blubbering idiots, if not suicidal maniacs, and that’s not the way it should be.
34. THE POWER OF VIAGRA
N   (07.11.07)
35. 18. And let's see if the police believes you!
s   (07.11.07)
Or takes you seriously! They could care less. Only after you are dead do they wonder if "this could have been prevented", mostly due to the media and that is if it is a high profile case. If not, it is just another casualty of this unruly country.
36. YUK!
(07.11.07)
37. This woman is over 60 and he's a widower
(07.11.07)
so calm down everyone. Why was she looking over the renovations in his house exactly?
38. Reap What U Sow - The Legacy of Israeli Sexism & Machismo!
(07.11.07)
39. to #33 Inspirational
(07.11.07)
As a former rape crisis counselor, bravo to you and your daughter. To you for standing by her and to speaking truth to power (those talkbacks who scoff at the seriousness of assualt), and to your daughter for being a strong, proud woman and a true survivor.
40. Would you doubt her if assailant were Pal??
(07.11.07)
41. women, stop whining
Baruch ,   Boston, USA   (07.11.07)
"According to the report, first published in Yedioth Ahronoth, which did not mention Ziv by name, the activist accompanied the MK to his house, which had just been renovated. " Alone? Why didn't she meet him somewhere else? "When they arrived at the bedroom, he hugged her forcefully from the back, lifted her shirt, grabbed her breasts and threw her forcefully on the bed. She tried to resist, and at a certain stage managed to slip away from the house. " What was she doing in his bedroom? Women need to stop whining and complaining. Judaism as a religion has rules against seclusion for just this reason. She was in a place she shouldn't have been. All she had to do was not do what she did. Very easy.
42. women should be able to go anywhere alone
(07.11.07)
without being agressed! STOP to the machismo and the sexism!
43. If he had a stroke a doctor should've been called-not Police
Alan ,   SA   (07.11.07)
44. #41 Baruch Ata!! Quite right
Mira   (07.11.07)
My point exactly. AND she's not a little girl either, sexty plus I believe. As the saying goes if you can't take the heat, stay away from the kitchen( or renovated bedroom of a widower) I think she came out with this now, dafka BECAUSE of the Katzav shenanigans.
45. #40 Yes, if she followed a very pally pal into his bedroom
town mouse   (07.11.07)
It used to be 'Come and see my etchings' in my day... and in her younger days too, as she's no spring chicken. A sixty plus female knows EXACTLY what 'come and see my renovated bedroom' means...
46. Uh... Rashid,I never laughed so hard in my life!!!
(07.11.07)
"after all he is only a man"??? What on EARTH does that say about men??? They have NO self control at all??? They are controlled only by their eyes??? Their beytzim??? What on EARTH are they doing in governement if they are so helpless??? And,..."eyes close together"??? Are you a JOKE??? A man can't control HIMSELF and the woman is lying, and is to blame??? You are a joke...you have to be. No normal person would reason as you do!!! Your "beloved gaza"??? If thats true, then why are sensible, intelligent, well educated "Palestinians" telling the news reporters and the world that they have NO desire to live in such a vile, corrupt society?
47. The woman is over sixty? EW!
(07.11.07)
48. Baruch in Boston
Pumpkin Pie   (07.11.07)
Hello, Baruch, I do agree with you that she should have met him somewhere else and she should not have been in his bedroom. Her actions sent him a non verbal message. She should have known better. However, once she resisted, HE should have known better and immediately stopped.
49. To #41
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (07.11.07)
Either you do not live in Boston or you're full of it. I'd like to see you preach that kind of garbage to a Yankee girl. They'd laugh at you; even the Jewish ones; actually, especially the Jewish ones. But if someone I know, and of whom I have no reason to think as a maniac, offers to show me a renovation, I don't care what I'm looking at, or what time of day it is, I shouldn't expect to be assaulted. If he can't keep his pants zipped up, maybe he shouldn't be allowed in public.
50. #48, Pumpkin, #49, Hartley
Baruch ,   Boston, USA   (07.12.07)
Pumpkin pie: "She tried to resist, and at a certain stage managed to slip away from the house. " It doesn't say what "stage", but nothing in the article says that he raped her. It just says he "sexually assaulted" her, which is probably what is described. So, perhaps when she resisted sufficiently so that he didn't think she was doing "methinks the lady doth protest too much", he did stop. The story really isn't clear. M. Hartley: I do live in Boston, and we're not talking about Yankees (New England Protestants). We're talking about mature and aware senior adult MK's, who should BOTH understand non-verbal communication. Feminists think they can dress how they want, go where they want, talk as dirty as they want, and get as naked and intimate as they want, but when THEY say NO, it better be NO. Fortunately, Jewish law, which many people say is ideal or a fantasy, actually deals in true reality of human nature, where radical feminism deals in pure fantasy, but a fantasy which puts women in control. Oh, and, by the way, it never says he unzipped his pants, does it? The term "sexual assault" is highly misused, and could range from a profane word to violent rape.
51. To #41
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (07.12.07)
Down here, anyone living north of the Mason-Dixon line is a Yankee, regardless of religion, gender or country of origin. And you'red damn' right: When a woman says NO, it's NO. End of story. I don't care, if a woman is a pole dancer. You can read whatever you want to into her gyrations. If she says NO, it's still NO.
52. To #14 from #10:I prefer to think I have warned victims of..
(07.12.07)
the danger rather than giving ideas to would-be rapists. A married couple who worked as civilians on a US Navy supply ship told me at a bible study meeting that a shipmate asked the husband, "How are your hemmorhoids?" No one but his doctor, his wife and himself knew he had hemmorhoids. He immediately realized the person asking the question had raped him with ether, which is not uncommon on Navy ships and elsewhere. It is better for men and women to know of the danger and to be on guard and to understand the significance of an ether smell when they wake up after an attack they would have no memory of. Even women officers on US Navy ships have awakened while being raped in their bunk during an either attack; so it is not a sure thing for attackers to get away with. If there are locks on bedroom doors, use them. Just as women must protect drinks from date rape drugs, they must also beware of ether on rag attacks. To be forewarned is knowledge. Knowledge is power. The Bible says, "My people perish for lack of knowledge." Getting an incurable disease in a rape attack whether the victim is male or female can be avoided at times if the person is aware of the wiles and methods of the enemy.
53. #51 'Come and see my renovations...'
nora ,   Israel   (07.12.07)
No thanks, ol guy,spesh if you're a horny widower. Take M Hartley instead. She's just waiting to be SO insulted and scream 'No'! Me? As I said, No sirree. But I say NO (thank you) a LONG time before she does. That's the solution many times, and ALL women know it ,even the over 50s, (specially)when faced with a horny over 60 wife-less male. So don't play dumb, p...lease.
54. Baruch
Pumpkin Pie   (07.12.07)
Well, I suppose that since neither of us were there, we'll never know what really transpired and how far along things got or how soon she resisted. It sounds like they were both in the wrong. P.S. Jewish, Protestant, or Buddhist, anyone who lives in Boston is a Yankee (and a Yankees hater if they like the Red Sox.) :-)
55. #51...Why do you defend this adulterous woman you know...
(07.12.07)
is adulterous; but you call me, a woman who has physical sex with no one, a person "being into adultery" and "paranoid schizophrenic"? You are a sick person. You care about this adulterous woman who admits to adultery but you hate me for not being an adulteress. You WANT to believe evil of me because you are evil. Are you really a male who wants to get it on with the castoff of Moshe Katsav by defending her behavior that is an abomination? The only sex I have is telepathic sex with Ariel Sharon who signals me that way because it is the only way he can tell me he is a prisoner. You call THAT adultery? He needs me to be with him and for four months last year I paid for a hotel to be near my beloved friend while his vile sons would not let me see him. The guards thought it was funny to prevent an old man from seeing the woman he loves. I am sorry to diappoint you, but the sex between Ariel Sharon and myself is telepathic not physical.
56. #33 Police depts are now programmed to attack the caller...
(07.12.07)
because it is the communist way. US Presidents brought Russians into American police departments to train them on how to harrass and accuse people who call into complain. President Ronald Reagan put Gorbachev in the Presdidio of San Francisco to oversea the transformation of America into a communist country. Reagan was called Ronnie the Red as the President of the screenactors' guild. He built a gulag archipelago under the Rex 84 law to put dissidents in some day. President Clinton brought in three million foreign troops to America in case the infrastructure of the country collapsed at Y2K. Call retired US ARmy Colonel Elmer Ammerman of Dallas, TExas and ask him how many foreign troops and bases their are in North America (5 million is what a US Senator told him.) I asked US Senator Jon Kyl of ARizona face to face why are there foreign military bases in America? He answered, Well, we have bases in their countries.
57. #51, Hartley, #54, Pumpkin
Baruch ,   Boston, USA   (07.12.07)
Up here, Yankees are a despised baseball team, or New England Protestant bluebloods. I'd never call Boston Irish, Italians, or Jews Yankees. The press has done a great disservice to society by not using clear terms to describe what a "sexual assault is". People debate issues like this without at all knowing what happened. It does sound as if really both were in the wrong, as PP said. M., I agree that when a woman says NO it should be NO. But life is always a two-way street. People should be careful and avoid putting themselves into situations where things can happen that they don't want to happen. Most intelligent adults understand when that is. I wouldn't exercise my "right" to walk through a known crime-ridden gang-controlled neighborhood on a public street at night, even though it is my "right". It's just plain not smart. Similarly, if a woman doesn't want a man to get the wrong idea, then she should think about the message she is sending by her actions. Like, perhaps she shouldn't jog in NY Central Park at midnight alone. Just because one has a "right" to do something, that doesn't make it "right". Again, I point to Jewish law that says that a woman should not seclude herself with a man to whom she isn't married.
58. Israelis are now like Americans...the men lie about the...
(07.12.07)
women and the women lie about the men. The only winner is the biggest liar.
59. To #55 -- take your meds
(07.12.07)
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