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New Interior Minister: Bring only Jews to Israel
Nurit Felter
Published: 17.07.07, 16:56
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31. No Mr Minister, the secret is to stimulate conversions
Andre ,   Israel   (07.18.07)
instead of bringing those people as Jewish descendants and than slaping doors on their faces, the secret is to welcome them as Jews and help them to path the path their ancestors where forced to leave at their home countries.
32. Appropriate Policy
Jason ,   Miami, FL, USA   (07.18.07)
Israel is both a Jewish state and a Democracy. However, these aims do conflict and when they do a pure democracy must bend so that Israel will continue to exist as a Jewish state. 1st and foremost, the State of Israel was established in 1948 as a Jewish homeland so Jews worldwide could finally live free from oppression etc. In no way do I suggest or advocate that Israel should maintain a policy that discriminates against its citizens who are not Jews. But, Israel must advocate a policy that at a bare minimum protects the existing Jewish character of Israel. If this is not the case then in the future whether it be 5,10, or 25 years Israel will be like any other political entity despite a sizable Jewish population. Forgive me if this is a poor comparison but Vatican City is a sovereign nation with Catholic Popes serving as the head of state and although I am not 100% certain, I assume that all the laws are in line with Catholic doctrine. I dont think anyone would consider challenging the authority or the right of the Papal government to maintain Catholic identity. Conceding the point that Israel is a democracy (within the framework of a Jewish state) whereas Vatican City is not, the key issue lies in my initial point that Israel is a JEWISH state, it is recognized as such, and has a legitimate right to employ proper means in ensuring a Jewish future.
33. When they (e.g. Jonas, #2) say "racism" ...
sk ,   USA   (07.18.07)
what they really mean is that they want Israel no longer to have a majority Jewish population, because the idea of Jews being able to defend themselves in their own country is abhorrent. Why? Well, how about because they are themselves racist through and through.
34. #15 I know it's you, Cartman
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (07.18.07)
Why don't you go back to Stormfront, fatass?
35. Arabs are the problem, not half-jews or lost tribe
Franck ,   France   (07.18.07)
Less arabs mean less territory. Israel, minus Umm El Fahm, Taibeh and the 250's thousand arabs in J'lem, would be a better place (even if that means cutting the city in two according to demography)
36. I have a family tree from biblical times until the present
Jabadini ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.18.07)
I can trace my family as far as the first king of Israel and you are telling me i am a convert. Enough of this Jewish conspiracy crap maybe some Ashkenazis are converts but most are not. Until about 150 years ago there was only orthodox judaism its only since then that Reform and Conservative have grown. Many people will become Jewish overnight to look for opportunity of a better life in Israel and it can also be a security threat like the refugees coming through the Sinai border.
37. Incredible
Mike ,   Tel Aviv   (07.18.07)
Incredible is the pigheadedness of Mr. Sheetrit and most of the TBs. 1. The Law of Return does not govern immigration to Israel. It governs repatriation to it; it is meant for Jews, who are returning from the exile to their ancestral homeland . Immigration, for the non-Jews, is governed by a totally different set of laws. Therefore, more stringent requirements of Jewsihness will not affect immigration laws, but repatriation laws. The comparison between Israel and other countries, esp. the US, is out of place, as the US does not have repatriation laws. HOWEVER, 2. When Jews get killed, no one asks them whether their mother was Jewish, and whether they had a bona fide Bar/Bat Mitzvah, and whether they separate milk from meat. They are killed because they are known to be from Jewish families, because they have Jewish last names, because despite the many gentiles in teir pedigree their nose and eyes are still not Arian enough. If this law passes and the next pogrom kills a few "half-Jews on their father's side", I hope all of you can live with the knowledge that some of them could have been saved, had children, and given of themselves to Israel, if not for the proposed law. 3. People who are willing to move here and share in our fate deserve respect and citizenship regardless of how kosher they are. This is especially so in the cases of the many immigrants from the USSR who were kosher enough to serve in the IDF and give their lives for Israel, but not kosher enough to be burried along with their comrades in arms at a Jewish cemetery,and whose mothers have to travel half way across the country to visit them at some "goishe" burrial ground near some god-forsaken kibbutz. All the while feeling like outcasts, mind you. 4. Finally, I'd love to see the official statistics (the actual document, reference, web site, etc) claiming that 70% of the Soviet immigration in not Jewish. I am surprized by that number as well and consider it a foul lie.
38. lets look at this in reality folks
(07.18.07)
there are 23 arab nations in the world and only one tiny small state 30 miles x 200 miles long that is our land. the saudis have a large land mass in which there are no churches or temples and they will cut off your head and do it in public if you denounce islam. yes, i think we need an only jewish state. i see nothing wrong with this idea and make no apology for thinking this way. not when there are 23 arab nations and 1 billion muslims trying to convert everyone by terror. no, this is our land, the author is right. let the arabs go back to one of any 23 nations they have. they can all be accepted as muslims by their brother islams to help them. if not, too bad. this is our land, small as it is, it is like a red ant, tiny but has a powerful sting.....AMEN
39. Sheetrit
Gary A. Glaser ,   Hutchinson, MN, USA   (07.18.07)
I think what is forgotten here is that to be Jewish is not so much a religious designation as a cultural one. As I see it there are Reform Jews, Conservative Jews, Orthodox Jews, Revisionist Jews, Karaites, the ultra-orthodox, the non-religious, and probably some groups I've overlooked.
40. For once I agree with Meir Sheetrit.
Avraham ,   Netivot, ISRAEL   (07.18.07)
Israel is the home of the Jewish people, the rest can go where ever they want, just not here. We have far too many non jews now, we don't want, nor do we need any more. I want my grandchildren to have a Jewish homeland, not an arab one. If this makes me a racist, I will wear that badge proudly.
41. King David's grandmother Ruth
Pat   (07.18.07)
How fortunate for King David that his grandmother Ruth was not barred from entering Israel as a quasi-Jew.
42. #15 Fakelsteinman, what a great idea, a Rabbinistan
Mark ,   Philadelphia, USA   (07.18.07)
Constitution. It's about time. Democracy has resulted in a watered down Israel full of traitors (like your friends). Yep, that's the way to go. A Constitution to ensure the Jewish character of Israel. I like it! Everybody.... a round of applause for Fakelsteinman!
43. USSR jews?
jack bauer ,   usa   (07.18.07)
During the reign of the soviets if one was suspected of being a jew, they would suffer. If they were in the military they would not be allowed to be stationed in a country like the DDR or Poland. They would be passed up in promotions. They would be constantly spied apon and denounced. Even if a non jew was married to a jew the serving (non jew)officer with no bad record could be sent to siberia to serve for the rest of his 25 year obligation. It happened on the orders of Andropov. Nothing that the KGB did was without support or instruction from above. Jews were persona non grata. If one (a civilian)asked for permission to visit or reside in Israel, They would be considered an enemy of the state, and the KGB would try and find a reason to send them to the gulags. If they couldnt find a reason, they would make one up....so lets spare a moment and cut these poor buggers some slack. Many undoubtably feel out of place in Israel, and having lived in a place where all religion, but especially the religion of their ancestors, was frowned upon.....the result being many didnt follow every law and statute. Ok, many still put themselves at risk to try and come to Israel, so please try and help them become better jews, rather then ostracize them making it harder for them to find their way back to the path
44. Make conversion more reasonable and we'd have more Jews here
RBY ,   Zichron yaakov   (07.18.07)
45. No.s 2, 7 & 22
gm ,   south africa   (07.18.07)
I am a Jewish white south african. Firstly to no. 2 what other Jewish state do you see looking out for Jews in this world. It has been proven time and again we need a Jewish state to look out for Jewish interests. Yes this does limit democracy in the Jewish state, but in this instance, it is a necessary evil. No. 7, you are just an embarrassment to make a comment like that, so don't be offended when people talk to you in the same way, cos that's how you talk to them. No. 22, your idea is ridiculous and just perpetuates racism, which is not what Jews are trying to accomplish with Israel. Muslims have more rights in Israel than they do in most other arab countries. And the situation of whites in south africa is NOT similar to that of Jews in Israel so your comment is ridiculous.
46. for 36# : Mr kowital has inferiority complex
Ei Sham   (07.18.07)
47. #30 I DONT THINK KING DAVID WENT TO WAR FOR A BUDDIST ISRAEL
I AM NOT SURE MAYBE ,   A RUSSIAN ISRAEL?   (07.18.07)
HEY HERES A NEW IDEA MAYBE KING DAVID WANTED A ***JEWISH*** ***ISRAEL*** CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT A JEWISH ISRAEL??? I LOVE IT and a personal note to you mordechai I LOVE YOU I KNOW YOU WILL HAVE THE RIGHT IDEA WHAT IS TRUTH. WHAT EVER YOU SAY I AM SURE IS WISE. THANK YOU DACON9
48. #45 gm.
Mordechai ,   Israel   (07.18.07)
No GM. I'm sorry to ruin your dream but you can't be jewish and white. White is white, jewish is jewish. Ask every US neonazi and he will tear your dreams apart.
49. 20# my answer was not posted- from this morning
gabriela ben ari   (07.18.07)
50. Mr. Sheetrit, DO THIS INDEED!
John ,   Terschelling   (07.18.07)
CANCEL the Law of Return, huge cheer for that! STOP illegal immigration and stop the influx of goyim!! Invest in Judaism and Jews in Israel, not making the country less Jewish!!!!!!!!!
51. Who is a Jew?
Asir Zion   (07.18.07)
the bigotry of Mr.Sheetrit is amasing he himself is a representative of Aliyah from Morocco, which by many opinions wasn't 100% jewish. Many berber and moroccan arabs came to Israel faking their identity and pretending to be Jews. The rate of intermarriage among Moroccan Jews was the highest among any jewish group in Muslim countries. Even today the real jews of Morocco those of Sephardi origin trying to avoid marrying the qasi-jews that form some reason (?) changed their arabic last names to hebrew or sephardi names . Makes me think about origins of Mr. Sheetrit himself.
52. Judaism Now and Then
Petra ,   redmond, USA   (07.18.07)
Judaism always was in a revolt, remember Moses? The ten commandments were in challenge by Moses followers as now. Judaism was changed after the fall of Israel to Rome over 2,000 years ago. No more blood sacrifices, no more Levitical priests. Nothing will change that but, we are the chosen ones of the "Promised Land" and, a promise is a promise despite our errors and our sins. Russian Jews had NO formal religion, so, don't blame them. The rest of us have fewer excuses for our errors. The G-d of Israel never sleeps He never slumbers. Our full land grant was the land between the two rivers, the Nile and the Euphrates, see who occupies it now... We will see war over and over and we shall prevail not because of our faithfullness, rather, due to the PROMISE. The promise made by G-d to our forefathers. Relax, it is written and it happens according to G-ds will not ours, and certainly not by our politicians.
53. Bullcrap
Antonio ,   Haifa   (07.18.07)
70% of people from FSU aren't Jewish? What the hell is he smoking?
54. It's about time someone did something about this
S ,   Tel Aviv Israel   (07.18.07)
55. the problem with Sheetrit's latest policy is ...
threat hunter ,   eisham, israel   (07.18.07)
... not just Who Is A Jew ... also, we must consider Who Is A Criminal? let's remember that many Jews are targetted by anti-semitism even today, and are often accused and convicted wrongly of crimes. shall we deny their entry as well, Mr. Sheetrit? aside from that, frankly, if anyone comes in on a quasi-Jewish connection ... so what? make their aliyah conditional on taking an oath to preserve and protect the State of Israel, similar to how people become American. after all, Israel is a Jewish democracy. so ... make a democratically supported law that demands loyalty from all of Israel's subjects, not just the Jews. national service is a great way to achieve this. furthermore, there are now plenty of anti-Israel Israelis who even serve in the IDF. some even have tattoos of swastikas on them. so ... make them choose. either swear loyalty to Israel, or pick another country to go to. that would be a Jewish democratic way. anyway all of this talk of immigration barriers is really quite silly when the nation is led by corrupt people who act above the law and get away with it ... and they themselves send their own kids away to avoid military service. so by Sheetrit's own definitions, Olmert should be booted from Israel for not raising his children here in Israel. does anyone really think that Olmert will be booted from power, let alone from Israel, for such a "scandal" ? Natan Sharansky got plenty of fame and money for his book "A case for democracy" and then he quit public service to live off his laurels. It would be a great idea to start having real justice and democracy right here at home in Israel before we go shooting off our mouths against those who wish to share in our national aspirations -- whatever their roots. let's get real ... Government Reform in Israel! Accountability First! 120 districts and direct elections for all MKs including PM! Everything else is just a joke, a band-aid, and it wont' last. Shalom to all :)
56. Only Christians to USA
Mario ,   N.Y.   (07.18.07)
USA is a Christian country (history, public holidays and 95% of citizens r christians), so let's implement same laws like Israel does: "Only Christians can immigrate to USA" What would the 1.8% Jewish Americans and Israelis say about that????????
57. Mario , USA
charles ,   petach tikva   (07.18.07)
The USA were not created as a land for Christians . Israel had recovered her independance after 2000 years to be the HOME to THE JEWISH PEOPLE . That's the difference
58. #56 Ignorance
Jewish taxpayer ,   Israel   (07.18.07)
The US is intended to be a melting pot - where were you (or were you at all) educated? Sheetrit's primary argument is not about the land of Israel - nevermind the arguments about a Jewish state. The point is that the Jewish Israeli government and taxpayers PAID Israel-hating immigrants to come here and live as the Jews they claimed they were. And enough is enough. Being so far away, you can't possibly understand the damage that has been done here already.
60. whew! glad i made it here before this
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (07.19.07)
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