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1. Instead of Winston Churchill .....
Terry , |
Eilat, Israel |
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(07.23.07) |
They sent Neville Chamberlain.
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Tony Blair is not Neville Chamberlain, I think his stance on Iraq made that clear.
What I think will become clear is that as he gets more involved he will realise who is holding the peace process back and who isn't. We'll see if he makes the same demands as he did of the Irish paramilitary groups...
As for Hamas being "willing to talk to anyone", I bet they are. Just a shame no one wants to talk to them. I hope they enjoy Iranian love just as much as the Lebanese do.
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3. Tony doesnt know this...
In Northern Ireland ,the various Nationalist and Unionist Leaders told their Gangs to kill each other (and others of course)-so there was someone who could give orders to stop and make peace !
In Middle East , it is Allah who gives the orders to the Muslims to eliminate the "Jews" so how does Tony get round this problem. BTW He also gives orders to drive out the "Christian" Crusaders.
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4. #2 Danny - Have You Heard His Speeches Lately?
Terry , |
Eilat, Israel |
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Tony is not Churchill & not even Margaret Thatcher. He has back-tracked considerably, adopting a more "European" approach. Wait until you hear his up-coming speeches & his demands on us to "bolster" the failed Mr Abbas.
Like most of his European counter-parts (& the American State Dept. under Ms Rice), we are seen as the modern version of Czechoslovakia, a small sacrifice for peace.
And please, don't compare this situation to the IRA. The IRA didn't advocate the destruction of Britain nor the genocide of the English nor were they part & parcel of an ideological movement that emphasizes Jihad against non-believers. The IRA did not dream of a world-wide Papal gov't. ruled under church law .....
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5. Alas, but no-one wants to talk to Hamas - LOL!
Talula , |
Israel |
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(07.23.07) |
They are the group of misfits that no-one ever invites to a party.
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6. But just what exactly..........
Mike Carmel , |
Rishon le Zion |
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(07.23.07) |
........is he going TO DO here? Prancing around between meetings with Olmert's crowd and Ramallah won't do any good at all. Sounds like another very expensive non-job to me.
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7. The Christian Corruption of the Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord Himself
will give you a sign:
Behold, THE VIRGIN shall conceive and bear a S-on,
and shall call H-is name Immanuel.
Isaiah 7:14 NKJ
Hebrew Bible:
Therefore the Lord Himself
shall give
youa sign, behold,
THE YOUNG WOMAN shall conceive, and bear a son,
and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 7:14
לָכֵן יִתֵּן אֲדֹנָי הוּא, לָכֶם אוֹת: הִנֵּה הָעַלְמָה,
הָרָה וְיֹלֶדֶת בֵּן, וְקָרָאת שְׁמוֹ, עִמָּנוּ אֵל.
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1007.htm
For nearly two millennia
the church has insisted,
that the Hebrew word הָעַלְמָה
“alma” can only mean “virgin”.
The church must hold this position because Matthew 1:22-23
translates “alma” in Isaiah 7:14
as “virgin”.
The first Gospel quotes this
well-known verse to provide
the only “Old Testament”
proof text for the supposed
VIRGIN BIRTH of Jesus...
According to the teaching
of the Quran;
Isa (Jesus) was born
in Nazareth or Bethlehem
as the son of VIRGIN Maryam.
She carried the little baby
to her people, and they
questioned her, and he
answered them:
He said: I am indeed
A SERVANT OF GOD:
He hath given me revelation
AND MADE ME A PROPHET
And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath
enjoined on me Prayer
and Charity as long as I live
He hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing
or miserable
So peace is on me the day
I was born,
the day that I die,
and the day that I shall be
raised up to life again!
Surah 19. 30-33
The stakes are high for Christendom and Islam,
because if the Hebrew word “alma”
DOES NOT MEAN “VIRGIN”,
Matthew is MISQUOTING
the prophet Isaiah...
AND BOTH A KEY TENET
of Christianity and Islam
AND THE CREDIBILITY
of the first Gospel and Islam
COLLAPSES...
In the Hebrew language
there is no relationship
between the words הָעַלְמָה
“alma” and “virgin”.
The Hebrew word “alma”
means YOUNG WOMAN.
On the contrary, it is usually
a young woman
who bears children.
Had Isaiah wished to speak
about a virgin, he would have
used the word בְּתוּלַת betulah’
not – alma. Betulah is a common
word in the Jewish scriptures,
and can only mean “virgin”.
In fact, although Isaiah used
the Hebrew word alma only
one time in his entire corpus
(Isaiah 7:14), the prophet uses
this word virgin (betulah)
five times throughout
the book of Isaiah.
Isaiah 23:4 + Isaiah 23:12
Isaiah 37:22
Isaiah 47:1+ Isaiah 62:5
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8. Moderate Wing of Hamas believes it wrong to put Nails&Screws
in their Bombs , |
Alan SA |
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9. Blair CAN talk to Hamas if he wants to!
but Israel can also talk to Blair if Israel wants to or not if it doesnt want to
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11. So they wont talk to themselves
freejay , |
Israel |
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(07.23.07) |
The only occupiers are these so called Palestinians that are really Egyptian, jordanian, iraqi or from any other part of the middle east except here. They are the only invading thieves that i can see.
What is
Olmert waiting for?????
Blow the crap out of them and lets get rid of this disease caled Hamass,
once and for all.
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12. #7 Norway-Very interesting comment!
Keren , |
SP-Israel |
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(07.23.07) |
Maybe this is the beggining of the urgent and necessary unmasking of the Church and Islam lies!
Thank you for pointing out this fundamental observation!
Keep in this blessed job towards the Truth !
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In 1066, his ancestors took over Britain - he must apologise and go back to France, possibly to be a waiter again as in his younger years - let him learn to make a living in an honest way, not by living off occupied land.
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14. Hamas is moderate ... Olmert gov't is stupid
Mohammad , |
Al Quds |
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(07.23.07) |
Olmert gov't and portion of Israeli people didn't get it till now, Hamas is a very important element in Middle East and Palestinian people, you can't ignore them.
Don't you forget that they are caputuring an Israeli soldier.
Free Occupied Palestine Now
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15. Who Cares What Hamas Wants?
Bill Foonman , |
Jacksonville, USA |
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(07.23.07) |
Since when does Hamas dictate terms and conditions on the global stage? They have the unmitigated gall to talk about credibility?
This nonentity of an Islamic terrorist organization is irrelevant but only Hamas believes it is truly a legend in its own mind. Even the more pragmatic Palestinians are coming to realize that and are distancing themselves from Hamas.
Hamastan has no economy nor will it ever have one until Hamas renounces violence, moves into the 21st century and they start behaving like responsible, civilized human beings. Don't count on that happening soon.
Dialogue assumes that you are dealing with a sincere and honest partner and not fanatics driven by a brutal, bigoted and barbaric Islamic doctrine whose backward viewpoint is rooted in violence and oppression. Just look at Sharia law. How can any non-Moslem not be disgusted when confronted with that medieval, pagan system of "justice".
The question is not if Hamas is a partner. The real question is will Hamas self-destruct or will Israel do it for them?
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16. #13 - with a name like Kelly you should be glad he brought
redmiike , |
tel aviv and london |
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(07.23.07) |
peace to Ireland after centuries of violence.
Many tried before him a failed.
You are of course joking ?!
Your post makes no sense if taken seriously - Michael
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17. # 14 The authors of the New Testament...
had Jesus Himself lie to his generation that many
would not die before the Messiah comes, yet it never happened
and they all died.
Several times in the Gospels
Jesus says he will return
in the disciples lifetime.
If the prophet speaks
in the name of The Lord,
AND THE THING DOES NOT OCCUR
AND DOES NOT COME ABOUT,
that is the thing The LORD
did not speak. The prophet
has spoken it wantonly…
Deuteronomy 18:22
Therefore - Jesus did not speak
in the name of The LORD.
Many traditions have Muhammad predicting that the end
was to come within the lifetime
of his followers:
Sahih Muslim, Book 41,
Number 7050-7053:
A'isha reported that when
the desert Arabs came to Allah's Messenger - they asked about
the Last Hour as to when
that would come.
And he looked towards
the youngest amongst them
and said: If he lives
he would not grow very old
that he would find your Last Hour coming to you
he would see you dying.
Muhammad clearly said that
the young boy wouldn't
have grown very old before
the Last Hour came upon
the people.
Yet, centuries have passed and the Last Hour still hasn't come upon us.
Muhammad also announced that everyone would be dead within
a hundred years:
Sahih al-Bukhari,
Volume 1, Book 3, Number 116:
Narrated Abdullah bin Umar:
Once the Prophet led us
in the ''Isha'' prayer during
the last days of his life
and after finishing it (the prayer) (with Taslim) he said:
Do you realize (the importance of) this night?
Nobody present on the surface
of the earth tonight
will be living after the completion
of one hundred years
from this night.
Nearly fourteen centuries
have gone by
and there continue
to be human beings alive
all around the earth!
See also:
Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1,
Book 10, Number 539:
(See Hadith No. 575).
Both Islam and Christendom contain false predictions...
If the prophet speaks
in the name of The Lord,
AND THE THING DOES NOT OCCUR
AND DOES NOT COME ABOUT,
THAT IS THE THING THE LORD
DID NOT SPEAK.
The prophet has spoken it wantonly…
Deuteronomy 18:22
In light of the prophetic criteria
given by God in Deuteronomy 18:22
we discover that both Muhammad and Jesus fails this test...
This means that both Muhammad and Jesus are neither true prophets nor are they the prophet like Moses.
Deuteronomy 18:18
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18. hey norway!
jack bauer , |
usa |
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what the hell has that got to do with hamas?
go spew your crap someplace else
maybe the appropriate place would be a forum on religious issues
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19. put your hand up if you care what hamas thinks
zionist forever |
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Hamas are desperate for a little international recigition and respect because now they dont even have respect of their own people they have a state in the Gaza which since they so bravely threw unarmed Fatah forces of buildings and took over has become a prison camp which Israel holds the key to.
Also before their little heroic revolution the Europeans were looking for any excuse to drop the international sanctions and start treating Hamas as a legitimate government now everybody wants to get into bed with Abbas who has legaly or not kicked Hamas out of office made thr new PM a member of Fatah.
Hamas have nothing to negotiate with.
Do a deal means changing their charter which talks about liberating all islamic land which they cannot do ideogicly they are a much more islamic party and once they start compromising on their idology they stand for nothing.
They can fire rockets and carry out suicide bomibgs but what else do they have .. they have no assets like oil to use to try and blackmail the west, all theor money comes from international charities they dont export anything so cut the charity they cant even afford to buy food.
They either have to go back on everything they stand for and just follow the Fatah crowd and b taken serioulsy .. untill the palestians decide for themselves what is going to be their common policy then we wont make any progress.
Arafat promised all things to all people so he had some control now since he died there is no more promising everybody what they want to hear and now reality is setting in Hamas dont like it and they are fighting for power.
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20. Norway: very interesting!!
Gazan , |
Gaza, Palestine |
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(07.24.07) |
.. but I think you're a bit late for your session....
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21. #17Norway,than you again!
Keren , |
SP-Israel |
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22. # 20 The Christian corruption of Daniel 9
Seventy weeks* are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
to finish the transgression,
and to make an end of sin,
and to forgive iniquity,
and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
and to seal vision and prophet,
and to anoint the most holy place.
Daniel 9:24
*Lit., seventy weeks, this phrase refers to seventy times
seven years, or 490 years.
This refers to the seventy years
of exile that have passed from
the Destruction of the First Temple until this vision,
and the entire 420 year period
of the Second Temple (Rashi).
KJV's corruption of Daniel 9:25
Know therefore and understand,
that from the going forth
OF THE COMMANDMENT
to restore and
to build Jerusalem unto
THE MESSIAH THE PRINCE
shall be seven weeks,
and threescore and two weeks...
Daniel 9:25 KJV
Jewish Scripture:
Know therefore and discern,
that from the going forth
OF THE WORD
to restore and
to build Jerusalem unto
one ANOINTED, a prince,*
shall be seven weeks *
and for threescore and two weeks,
it shall be built again...
Daniel 9:25 Hebrew Bible
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/e/et/et3409.htm
*The prince of this verse is Cyrus,
who gave permission to rebuild Jerusalem and the Temple.
*The septets refer to
full seven-year periods.
He ascended to the throne
fifty-two years (seven full septets
plus three years)
after the exile had begun.
From then until the second destruction of Jerusalem was
438 years, or sixty-two septets
and four years (Rashi).
KJV's corruption of Daniel 9:26
And after threescore and two weeks
SHALL MESSIAH BE CUT OFF,
BUT NOT FOR HIMSELF:
and the people of the prince
that shall come shall destroy
the city and the sanctuary...
Daniel 9:26 KJV
Jewish Scripture:
And after the threescore and two
weeks shall an ANOINTED one *
BE CUT OFF, AND BE NO MORE:
and the people of a prince
that shall come shall destroy
the city and the sanctuary...
Daniel 9:26 Hebrew Bible
* I.e., Agrippa, the last
Jewish king, at the end
of the Second Temple Era.
After his death, the prince
of this verse, the Roman Titus, would command the destruction
of the Temple, which will not
be rebuilt until after
the War of Gog and Magog,
in Messianic times (Rashi).
And he shall make a firm covenant,
with many for one week *
and for half of the week
he shall cause the sacrifice
and the offering to cease
and upon the wing of detestable things shall be that which
causeth appalment and that
until the extermination wholly determined be poured out upon
that which causeth appalment.
Daniel 9:27
* The Roman emperor would make a treaty with the Jewish nation
for seven years,
but for the second half of that term
the Romans would violate that covenant and impede the Temple service.
The mute abomination,i.e., a temple of idolatry, WAS ERECTED
by the emperor Hadrian
on the Temple Mount (Rashi).
"...because thou Gazan knewest
not the time of thy visitation..."
Luke 19:44
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