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My Jewish narrative
Assaf Wohl
Published: 28.07.07, 16:01
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61. #50...
Yoni ,   Toronto   (07.30.07)
"The fact of the matter is this - the vast majority of Arabs left "at the first whiff of grapeshot"...There was no plan to expell Arabs, no plan to ethnically cleanse except on the arab side." Nor did the textbooks in question *ever* state anything to the contrary, as far as the articles have been concerned. What they *did* state is that *some* Arab residents were driven out of their homes, which *some* were, and that Israel confiscated much of their land - which it did... You mention that it's the Arabs that chose war, and guess what? The books includes that as well.
62. #58 (sf)
Yoni ,   Toronto   (07.30.07)
Unlike Danny, however, you never actually brought a single point of contention with the book's "narrative"... In fact, you even admitted that you would have had to research the subject to find something of substance against it... So to get this straight: you did not have the facts with you one way or the other, and simply dismissed it based on: "I guess I just don't expect that ANYONE is silly enough to believe the Arab "narrative"..." I guess you do sound relatively secure, but not for any reason to be proud of...
63. I'm salute you!
t.i ,   Israel   (07.30.07)
64. #41 sk - To access article on my TB #35
Michelle ,   Vancouver   (07.30.07)
Hi sk, sorry you couldn't access the link. I tried to send you another reference for that article but I was censored! Anyway, you can google the name of the author and the column as follows: Elliott A. Green - Arabs and Nazis - Can it Be True? It has been reproduced by several other websites. I hope this helps.
65. Mr. Wohl, what a refreshing point of view
Ralph ,   Boston   (07.30.07)
I wish there was more common sense as yours in the country.
66. Y implied that Israel belongs to the Palestinians Yoni,
Daniel ,   Formerly Israel   (07.30.07)
You said that the author implied certain points of history, i.e. the Nakbah should not be taught, therefore you recognize the Nakbha as a historical fact. Well the Nakbah states that the UN partition was illegal, that ISrael was the agressor in the 48 war, and that all of modern Israel belongs to Arabs (those that we today call palestinians simply because they resided in the British province of Palestine). Now if you say that the land belongs to the Palestinians, you do so because you have a certain criterion that determines what people a land belongs to (unless you are a complete nitwit and just like randomly assigning lands to peoples). I laid out my criteria for determining what land belongs to whom and explained that these criteria have been and continue to be used throughout the world. Now I would like you to explain to me by what criteria exactly you used to determine tha t the Palestinians are right and Israel belongs to them. Oh and before you start telling me that the Palestinians are natives remember that the Arabian peninsula was given its name (thousnads of years ago) because that's the land that Arabs (be they Palestinian, Syrian, Iraqi, etc.) are native to.
67. finally
jennie ,   Netanya Israel   (07.30.07)
This is the first time I have read any of your commentaries and let me tell you that you are absolutely AWESOME! Your writing is clear and concise, you present your argument in a way that is a pleasure to read and it's as if you took the words right out of my brain. BRAVO BRAVO I wish more people would raise their voices as you have , I am so tired of the self hate that we have here in Israel, the politically correct tuches kissing and the way that we are single handedly creating our own demise. May G-d bless you for this.
68. Jeez, Yoni, can't you even get my short TB right?
sk ,   USA   (07.30.07)
"In fact, you even admitted that you would have had to research the subject to find something of substance against it... So to get this straight: you did not have the facts with you one way or the other ..." No I did not admit this. Rather, I admitted that some of the names Danny supplied were not on the tip of my tongue. I do not remember the name of every source that I have reviewed to form my opinions. Yoni, given that you believe the garbage of the post-Zionists, you are in no position to give me a lecture on proper scientific method.
69. What next, Yuli will incorporate Nazi & Soviet Narratives?
Feiglin Supporter ,   Galut   (07.30.07)
When Feiglin becomes PM, the ONLY narrative will be the JEWISH ONE!
70. #68, to be fair some are pretty obscure
Danny   (07.30.07)
and rightfully so. The only ones to have done ANY research of ANY merit is Khalidi who has done some interview work with displaced arabs from 1948. The others are simply trash.
71. Give back their land
yoni   (07.30.07)
I can only presume you are an arab as there is no part of the State or Land of Israel which does not belong to them-just ask them. If you are Jewish I don't understand what keeps you here in a totally occupied land from the mediteranian to the Jordan.
72. Danny, #70
sK ,   USA   (07.31.07)
You see, I missed the post-Zionist "history" classes--too old. So, I've read a bit of this BS when I had already graduated. A group of people who can lie about everything else (the "Palestinians") just can't be trusted no matter what they say. It is interesting that Muslims seem to use the same techniques of "new history" wherever they conquer land to erase the memory of the prior inhabitants.
73. #15 Rafi
Izik ,   San Francisco USA   (07.31.07)
You are wrong. Arab kids live with the consequences of the actions of their leaders, whether of 1948 or 2007. It is not anti-Arab to suggest that reality, as Mr. Wohl does. Had Palestinian leaders in the 1940s not allied their cause with Nazi Germany, had these leaders made peace with Israel in '48 instead of war, the situation would be totally different, now wouldn't it? It is about time for Arabs to cease with their own mythologies and delusional politics and yes, racism, and make peace already.
74. #72, unfortunately I didn't miss them
Danny   (07.31.07)
And to be honest the actual Arabs are far, far, far less fanatical about post-zionism or anti-Israeli narratives than Israelis or [middle-class] Westerners I have met. That group simply cannot accept that Israel is ever in the right and arabs are ever in the wrong. If forced to choose between locked in a room with Walid Khalidi and Illan Pappe, I would choose Khalidi everytime.
75. #74 - Danny
Michelle ,   Vancouver   (07.31.07)
Tried to send you TB before but wasn't successful. I agree with you, and my question was what do you attribute to this attitude by pro-Arab Jews in Israel. It can't be ignorance of the facts.
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