Traitor how convenient he got to live when even his own mother died, what was the difference, traitor to his own mother, traitor to his people and traitor to G-d, maybe fight, maybe Kiddush Hashem, maybe even temporary apostasy to survive the horrors, but what he became makes Patty Hearst seem normal, but to indentify with the same religion where Hilter learned to hate Jews is incredible, he became the enemy to his last day. This was or is not unusual because what Christian civilization has done to the Jews caused milliions dead, suffering and but also insane

This guy is worse than the worst gentile anti-Semite. His own mother was murdererd by the same people he admired. I can understand how a young boy, tramatized by the war could make such an errational move, but to continue in it is beyond belief. Also, why the Catholic clergy would respect him is mindboggling, knowing his background. I suppose it's all about stats..just another Jew gone, either through Auschwitz or conversion. So what, he influenced some nuns, so what? I mourn for the 6m Jews who died, but not one tear for this traitor to those who gave their lives caus they remained Jewish.

Much to harsh a criticism...much too harsh. These judgements should only be made by Hashem. He was a good man. He did more for us than many Jews. Debate yes but to speak so ill of the dead a tragedy. HS

both of you are quick to judge this man....so was the rabbi mentioned. I would venture to guess that most of the hate that this man felt throughout his life, came not from people who hate jews.....but from jews that hate him. But underneath it he was also a jew. Are you both so quick to condemn secular jews? How about olmert and co..? They are trying to give away Israel...do you condemn them? Linking the catholic with the nazis is discrace...you are obviously not students of history. Claims that catholics were nazis are false. There may have been catholics (in poland for instance) that participated in killing, but to suggest that it was in the doctrine is false. I am not catholic, and don't unconditionally support them....in fact I disagree with much they teach....however I will not condemn this man, for it is not my job to do so. I'd bet that his mother would have been happier to see her son alive as a catholic rather the dead as a jew. To suggest otherwise misunderstands a mothers love. Saying that christians are to blame for the camps is false...to follow the teachings of the rabbi called Christ mean that you are to treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. There are many who throughout history claim to be christian, catholic, whatever. But by their actions, which were contrary to the teachings, they show that they are NOT what they claim to be. Just as someone who claims to be a rabbi, but who eats pork, cheeseburgers, fornicates, worships idols, etc....is not what he claims to be. Dave and JK were never on the recieving end of hatred spewed from this mans mouth. They just call a dead man a traitor. No one tells you what you must believe. I hope you find the path you were meant to follow, but I won't insist you follow one that I proscribe for you

so this man accepts jehovahs son, and doesn't deny him, as you do, and *this* man is the traitor? give me a break...it's bad enough you deny god above and reject the salvation he sent to this earth, but damning those who truly follow god is pretty sickening

THIS Lustiger is SIMPLY another Edgar Mortara case, (look it up) except that he was in his early teens instead of 7-8. He "DIDN'T" convert.....he was CONVERTED. He was surrounded by Catholic Goyim who were telling him that to save his life he had be act like and BE a Goy. He had to go to CHURCH, and all that crap. They were telling him that the Jews killed Jesus, -that is G-D- and they were being punished for THAT, and to save himself he needs to be a Catholic......It's SO OBVIOUS that it is axiomatic. What the hell does a 14 year old kid KNOW??. And being a hunted refugee in the middle of the WORST obscenities in human history !! ....I've heard all this before and known people to whom it happened. I grew up in a Catholic country, outside the War Zone,and frequently, both from schoolmates and Catholic clergy, heard the exact SAME thing. Who knows what I would have done if I'd been alone, with NO family.....

He picked the wrong path as he abdicated all his rights as a Jew. However, let him rest in peace.

This man taught people to follow Jesus as the meeisah of the Jews which is clearly not true. As a convert I read their Old Testament and could see that Jesus does not match prophecy, yet this man spent his life teaching such. This is not a hero in my book. What price can be put on a soul misguided and lost? One G-d one love Ynet needs to stop making a hero of this man because of his Jewish parents suffering.

why so much hatred my brother...

No matter how secular a jew gets i still have a love inside me for him, but when someone crosses the red line like that, he SHMAD Rachmono Litzlan to Avoda zara, That he goes to become a PRIEST a LEADER amongst those who are IDOLATERS, may heaven protect us??? what a shame and Shanda, I sincerely hope this man died in T'shuva- with repentence, hopefully in his last momemnts he returned to his faith, i hope...

Why would you not post what I wrote? The Talmud says after temple destruction Israel should not take back by force, this does not mean UN acceptance, means that our return to the land wasn't by force. When the SPIRIT OF MESSIAH COMES this will usher in the FULL AND COMPLETE SPIRITUAL RETURN of JEWS, (how this is accomplised is up to G-d) not the Christian escape pagan fire torment, or godman doctrines. POST ME PLEASE.

How can it be , he was still Jewish by halacha . But if you call him traitor , what about those who convert to Judaism ? Do you consider the traitors also ? Ok , Jews did'nt murder other people in name of their faith , but today's Catholics don't do it neither . Don't forget that very much Jews were hidden by Catholics and other Christians during 1940 / 44 . Regarding his conversion . Is a boy of 14 not considered to be an adult by Jewish law ? He is responsible for his acts , no ? At 18 , he refused to return to Judaism when his father asked him to do so . So he was convinced that he found his way there , in the church . He did very much for the reconciliation of the church with the Jewish people , even sometimes we see different reactions from this church . There was certainly a progress . Now , if you are a believer , i'm not , you are sure that "god" will probably judge him , so don't insult a death person .

Since he doesn't have a single criteria for censoring - sometimes he puts through slander, sometimes he doesn't allow even law-permitting personal opinion. He was probably kicked in the ass by stronger children and now he feels power!

A guy who did much for Jews die, and all that "Jews" from USA can say is "Oh, he was an amelekh"... You call yourselves Jews? WHY are you not in Israel? Hypocrites.

I{who am the same age and have traveled a similar road , converting at 13} wish that the Jewish Jesus" priciples of forgiveness and reconciliation were honored more today.

I was in Israel when I realized what Jewish self hatred and Jewish ignorance was all about, I saw Jewish Minstrel comedy shows in Eilat that Adolf Hilter would have loved, I saw people laughing themselves sick, I saw venemous hatred to religious Jews and heard horrible comments about the Jewish religion I never heard from anyone except Jews for J apostates and the funny thing this was in a completely Jewish peopled environment. What gives? Everyone knows the Gaza Disengagement was just secular to reigious smashmouth. I met Jews who did not even know what a Siddur was and cringed at or faked no knowledge of common expressions like Shabbat or Shavua Tov. Many in Israel has interjected the same Nazi Christian Jew hatred. Not true. There are Christian Korean evangelical TV shows on in NYC and here we have people who are Christian for five minutes whose life ambition now is to convert Jews because Jews they feel are bad and evil and must be corrected, and don't you think they'll get angry when they're told to shove off. What is that called Jew Hatred and stop with this Charedi non Army service when so many seculars don't serve or leave and never serve again or don't serve upon returning and these are the Jews that were not aborted or birth controlled to non existense.

if it wasnt for moshe we would still be worshipping the bull and the pole, and the christians their fish , who can see whats next?,why does the future always stop when you look back in history and walk into the future facing the past?what is stranger. to chose the jewish g-d and to spurn the jews or to take the jewish g-d and love the jews? let everyone come to the table and feast, the first and the last......

It is true that Torah has a curse in it that G-d would drive Jews out of the land. But in their defense, their perspective is correct - if not more correct than yours. Bad is bad, good is good, and Christianity and its teachers are against One G-d and Torah following. Good call US Jews.

...by your curses. Your filthy mouth and anger atest to that fact. Like so many of you generation, not know G-d but recieving his curses. you probably think its someone elses fault your always angry. G-d is just. Recommend you clean up your act.

The Cardinal followed his own road and seemingly was able to help Israel--a rare friend indeed. Did he preach hate against Jews-No. Hateful talk about the late Cardinal such as we see here belongs to those following radical Islam and does not fit with Jewish tradition.

Take the plank out of your own eye before you ever attempt to take the speck out of any Jews eye. You need to study history about your anti-Torah version of our Jew, not your lie. HaShem hates Edom, go look in your book unless that has been changed too. Esav/Edom is judged and in Biblical terms that is xtianity. You xtians make me laugh claiming that you follow the historical Jew, try mithraism! Wake up.

His own mother was murdered by the same people he admired . You wrote . Tell me , where have you read this "admiration" ? You are writing stupidities inspired by your hatred towards other people

You wrote : ....never on the receiving end of hatred spewed from his mouth . Did he spray hatred ? Where have you read this ? PS , try to answer tb's adressed to you .

It's undisputed in Orthodox Judaism that a Jew who converted to Christianity is a meshumad, from the verb shamad meaning to apostatize, equating to the extinction as a Torah-defined identity. Hence, shamad, by extension, means destroy, exterminate or annihilate. Meshumad is a cognate formed from the verb shamad. While a meshumad can be restored via teshuvah (rather than requiring conversion), the meshumad has been stripped of his or her Torah-defined identity as a member of Israel; i.e. as a Jew. Thus, the meshumad reverts to the identity of Eisau / Edom. Lustiger was a mesumad, Eisau / Edom; certainly not any kind of representative or spokesman of the Jews. Pious platitudes from others are no substitute for teshuvah by the transgressor. PS: the most popular Israeli Jewish newspaper not publishing candlelighting times on Yom Shishi in its on-line counterpart is a disservice to Jewish readers and a disgrace to Israel. Even ha-Aretz publishes candlelighting times on Yom Shishi. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il

Charles was refering to HALACHA. Not a particular doctrine or teaching within Judaism.

who call's himself an authority on halacha , poor Halacha if a goy , and certainly such one , thinks he's an authority on this . A fake from begin to end , that's what you are .

And this guy calls himself an authority on halacha . I'm not , but i know that a person born Jewish stays Jewish his whole life by Halacha . Even if i think that on this point the Halacha is wrong , but i have'nt to decide on this , neither does this guy have any authority , maybe less than i have

First - I wasn't addressing Charles Second - I wasn't addressing Christians, which includes you (2007.04.30) Third - Christians, which includes you, don't teach halakhah to Jews. You wouldn't know halakhah if you fell over it. Go back to your church, PS: the most popular Israeli Jewish newspaper not publishing candlelighting times on Yom Shishi in its on-line counterpart is a disservice to Jewish readers and a disgrace to Israel. Even ha-Aretz publishes candlelighting times on Yom Shishi. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il

meshumad (law changer), does not take away what one was born. I thought you were a mensa? I bet you think Karaites aren't Jews either since they mostly hold to patrilineal descendency? Whether you agree with it or not, doesn't really concern me. Don't change the LAW to suit your own biases.

And you hatefully adresse this John because he is not Jewish . Well i'm Jewish , much more than you , and i say that by Halacha , this Aaron [ his official name ] Lustiger was Jewish , 100 times more than you , who is only a fake guy with a fake site