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Israeli soccer fans go wild in Bosnia
Nadav Zenzifer
Published: 17.08.07, 08:58
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1. Jpost - anti-semitism
L ,   TA   (08.17.07)
Jpost says there were anti-semitic chants from the opposing fans, which lead to this. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1186557471509&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
2. Sounds like a regular Sunday soccer
Joe ,   Ohio, USA   (08.17.07)
match with a bunch of limeys in the bleachers. You sure this was held in Bosnia and not England? Security should have tasered and night sticked the whole lot!
3. Their behavior is actually due to...
Olej Gamur ,   Israel   (08.17.07)
lessons learned here in Israel. Israeli police do nothing to the haredi protesters in Jerusalem, and do almost nothing to subdue right wing protesters in hebron, homesh and amona. Israel's authorities do nothing to improve carnage on the roads. Since those people get away with fires and destruction of property, why shouldn't a few football fans have some fun?
4. LIES!!!!
freejay ,   Israel   (08.17.07)
I watched the game and it was not the Israeli supporters causing the trouble. It was the Serb supporters that were doing hitler salutes, lighting the fires and causing the problems. As if israeli supporters would cause trouble if they are winning! Why the lies?
5. but the article says that
jack bauer   (08.17.07)
the guards threw the road flares back in to the stands rather then let them burn on the sideline or putting them out but hey lets blame the jews ynet better them then serbs or bosnaiks
6. #4, you mean bosnian supporters?
stephane ,   france   (08.17.07)
7. Soccer is being ruined by the fans
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (08.17.07)
Crowd violence and bad behavior at soccer matches is not only an Israeli "thing". Turn on SkyNews and you will see how racism and general "thuggery" is the order of the day in European Soccer. This all started when sport went professional and there is just too much money involved.
8. Behaviour
Andrew Harris ,   Oz,Cloud Cuckoo Land   (08.17.07)
to No. 3, How stupid off us, of course football hooligans behaving like football hooligans is the fault of the Haredim and the Religious Zionists. I would like to thank you on behalf of world Jewry for clarifying this for us. We would like to know what else is their fault; the corruption of Olmert, the behaviour of Israeli youth in Asia, The behaviour in our Schools, the price of fish? Please let us know.
9. basic geography, hm!
Barnea ,   Israel   (08.17.07)
Well, before writing any comment learn the basic geography! Shiroki brijeg is a well-known ustashe city in Bosnia with majority of croation citizens, rest are muslims, since ever (the highest war crimes in WWII). All flags and comericials around were CROATION'S so what is connection with Serbians damn?!? Open the map!
10. Your report is a lie!
Avraham ,   Netivot   (08.17.07)
It was the Bosnians who started the trouble with their anti-semetic chants. The Israeli fans wouldn't take it & fought back. Y-Net, tell the truth, don't lie.
11. To #4 No Serbs in Siroki Brijeg
David ,   Former Yugoslav   (08.17.07)
Siroki Brijeg where the match took place was one of the Ustashi strongholds during the WW2. During the Bosnian war in the nineties all the Serbs were ethnically cleansed from the town. Now only Croatian catholics live there and some Muslims. Considering the history Hitler salute in Siroki Brijeg seems very likely.
12. name
bozo ,   canada   (08.17.07)
sorry guys ,it is not ,bosnia ,it is bosnia and hercegovina
13. Ynet: Are you deliberately leaving out the full story?
LEE ,   NY, USA   (08.17.07)
For a more accurate understanding as to why the fans acted this way go here: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123407 or here: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1186557471509&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull You must question why Ynet chose to leave the most relevant details out of this article.
14. "Local ushers threw the torches back at the crowd, . . .
Central Scrutinizer   (08.17.07)
. . . setting the seats in the old stadium on fire. . . . " But earlier in the article, it says: "Hapoel Tel Aviv fans set fire to the stands . . " Above posts have reckon that Ynet is not truthful or accurate. The entire article contradicts itself. ( Ynet publish this!)
15. Croatians and soccer
(08.17.07)
The town is croatian so i guess hitler salutes are normal there, and for god's sake, don't say soccer, it is called football by 99 % of the people in the world, this is not the place to kiss up to the americans.
16. Ynet does leave the imporant info
Aviv ,   Israel   (08.17.07)
so we all will be pissed and read ynetnews.com every day, that's all about journalism.
17. 15 - anonymous. Get educated . .
Aussie Larakin ,   Wagga   (08.17.07)
In my country (Australia) we have 5 football codes - One is Soccer (the English name for that particular code of football). The other football games (codes) are called Rugby League, Rugby Union (in Israel known as Roogbi {sic}), Australian Rules (AFL -Australian Football League), and finally Grid Iron (American Football). All the above involve two teams of at least 11 a side, a football field with a goal at each end, and a ball of sorts. Calling the game by it's rightful name aint got zip-diddly-squat to do with kissing up to America. When you grow up and go to into the big, wide world, remember this, and stop talking shit!
18. Bosnians
Avraham ,   NYC   (08.17.07)
If these Bosnian fans (some of whom may have been descendants of Nazi SS Bosnian division that persecuted Jews, Serbs, Gypsies, Communists and others) provoked the Jews, what did they expect in return? Jews don't turn the other cheek, it's not our religion. But overall - soccer fans (whether Israeli or others) are often a rowdy bunch.
19. THEY ARE NOT SERBS!!!
Sergio ,   Israel   (08.17.07)
The Bosnians are NOT SERBS! They are actually those who fought against the Serbs in the nineties, and the same kind of guys who had an SS Division and massacred Jews and Serbs duing W.W. II. SERBS FOUGHT THE GERMANS AND WOULD NEVER SLAUTE LIKE THAT OR SHOUT "Sieg Heil!"!!!
20. THIS IS NOT ANTI-SEMITISM. I am afraid to admit it but...
j ,   jerusalem, israel   (08.17.07)
...anyone who has had interaction with young Israelis (as we in the Israeli Border Guard often do) will know that they many are undisciplened wild animals. Yes I am a Jew and an Israeli but the facts are the facts. Their disgusting behavior brings shame upon us all!
21. The picture says it all
Richard ,   New York, USA   (08.17.07)
Israeli fans can't act like normal sane people. They have to go wild like animals in a jungle. And when they are questioned, they use the excuse of anti-Semites. Children of Israel, it's a disgrace, that after all this time, you haven't learned to act like adults. Please grow up! You are an embarrassment to your country.
22. Israel baseball is a family affair
magic mel ,   ra'anana, israel   (08.17.07)
For all you disillusioned soccer fans I recommend that you attend a family orientated Israel Baseball League Game. Family entertainment at an affordable price. See you on the diamond. This season is almost over but championship game is on for Sunday.
23. Nothing about a SIEG HEIL...?? according to OTHER reports?
Nebojsa Yitzchak M ,   Toronto   (08.17.07)
According to some other reports it was SEIG HEILL SALUTES from the Bosnian side that lighted-up Israeli respons... Would be strange, otherwisw would it be? Israel was leading 1:0, and heceforth 3:0 ... no aparent reason for any houliganism?? BUT! if SIEG HEIL WAS a FACT, then who should be embarised? Just to put it in some perspective.. After the collapse of the USSSR the German's were called to fill the "vaccum" in Central Europe (to reassert German "natural" sphere of influence over ex-Eastern Block countries (of which Yugoslavia did not belong to). Remember the Ronald Reagan's visit to the Bitbourgh VAFEN SS CEMITARY? After that things started to get more bizzare throughout of Europe. Of course anti-Semitism as well. NATO bombed Serbs with 1,400 Planes around the clock until the country disintegrated and was thrown into a stone age. All ex-German allies were rewarded with LAND-grabs as well REHABILITATION of previous CRIMES and “card-blanche” for the NEW ONES that ugly-civil war was the DIRTIEST CHAPTER in the recent history. Czechoslovakia was given to the Germany to take it. Yugoslavia IS DELIVERED not to the REHABILITATED Germany but to ITS ugly-leftovers from the past Yugoslavia is dead, but VAMPIRE is just “stretching” now after its first good meal in decades.. WACH IT!
24. #23 they were supposed to Hail their Defeat?
(08.17.07)
Israeli supporters could have taught them a lesson. Now that has happened, others are taught how to win a contest over any Israeli team.
25. "Local ushers threw the torches back @ the crowd??
Bosnians r not ,   2 bright hey?   (08.17.07)
26. #24 Oh grow up!!
Shlomo ,   Israel   (08.18.07)
27. #24 With the Nazis you don't "moralize" you just "CURE THEM"
Nebojsa Yitzchak M ,   Toronto   (08.18.07)
Israeli Ambassador said that he was "embarrassed" for what did Jews responded to the Seig Haill’s "salute" I BET Y'A there were not just salutes... but perhaps other "suggestions" as well i.e. something perhaps to do with oven’s etc. ...?? Remember the SHOA last time laughing at them did not amount to much? did it? You never moralize with the Nazis, you just have to fight them if they win we know what DID happen, so there is not much left for a debate is it? Some people thing that Nazis are sick puppies, I would beg to differ I truly believe that they are the disease of humanity. There is a huge difference when person loves his country.. he works hard to be productive, engaging-participating member of that society, he will know how best to represent his people and to be a bridge for other societies to understand and appreciate your people (unlike “Ambassador” who got “embarrassed in his own people who REACTED to the provocation Nazis INSTIGATED.. Ambassador is not “embarrassed” he is THE EMBARASSMENT. I did not hear EVER on any other “excesses” from the Jewish public domestically or abroad so such a dramatic change MUST HAVE “SUCH” a dramatic provocation.. I would like to learn more about that incident to pass more concrete judgment on that issue, but knowing that “neighborhood” I pretty sure that provocation was real and HATRED IS REAL. Ariel Sharon in many instances cautioned Europe about back-door terrorist nest will grow into a real menace.. after all Muslim movement and army in the Bosnia was instigated, financed and built by Iranian, Saudi (Wahabi terrorist movement) Muslim Brotherhood (largest terrorist organization in the Middle East) etc. etc. So ILL “FEELING” against Jews, Gypsies, Serbs and anyone else (perceived to be weaker than themselves) is a TARGET of rabid hate.. So nothing new? The main issue IS not whether or when they will change, BUT would we ONCE LEARN that it is not appeasement the language they understand, but rather RESOLVE of their perceived victims to fight back and to defend itself to the point of HURT.. a major HURT. In one movie “The Eliot Ness” Shon Connery told the ness how to deal with thugs.. “If they hurt one of yours you send three of them to hospital, if one of yours goes to hospital you send tree of them to the morgue..”? Reagan came with “Mighty Moe” (USS Battleship Missouri) to the Beirut, because there was to much snipping against the French, and American Marines so they positioned a digital-portable Doppler Radar which traced source of fire and directed information to the Mighty Moe which PROMPTLY responded by lobbing 1.5tons missile to the “hood” about 9 missiles later the snappers “wana-be’s” got roasted alive by the “concerned-neighborhood” because there were 9 football stadiums created by the “inspired” young virgin chasing hell-rabbits? So shortly there after there was a RAPID shortage of “volunteers” to the not so quick trip to the “virgin-paradise” .. strange? But quite effective. There was saying that there is a rise in "neo-Nazism"? "Neo"? there is nothing in Nazism that is "neo" they are the same old Nazis and the same old language they understand.. Not laughter.. (yet) but CONSEQUENCE and only consequence to their arrogance and aggression, has to be met with a total resolve, determination and VICTORY. Only cure to the Nazis is their DEFEAT.
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