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ADL recognizes Armenian genocide
Yaakov Lappin
Published: 21.08.07, 20:21
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31. To Josh, re Van
Metin ,   Mersin, Turkey   (08.22.07)
You mentioned your family were from Van and mention the atroicities they suffered. If this is so, then you have no real excuse for going along with the glaring omissions of Armenian atrocities during this sorry episode. You really ought to know better. If your family forgot to mention it to you, perhaps you should read "The Armenian Rebellion at Van" or "The Ethnic Cleansing of Ottoman Muslims" to learn more. You might find some of the reasons that caused Lewis Einstein to comment "There is little news from the interior save that the Russians have entered Van. The contingent is mostly composed of Armenian volunteers who fight with desperate courage, but whose excesses have shocked even the Russian commanders."
32. Hey Erol
Josh ,   Jerusalem   (08.22.07)
Hey Erol, you are probably a gringo in Australia anyways. So how about them Aboriginies??? How they doin'?
33. Yes, it happened, but they aren't within the ADL purview.
David ,   Israel   (08.22.07)
34. http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/tourguides.htm
ethan ,   tel aviv   (08.22.07)
35. and how do you call the turkish genocide of armenians?
Selin ,   Turkey   (08.22.07)
still mass graves full of burned hundreds of Turkish kids&women during the WWI are opened up. What were they, not being beings? Read, learn before you take a side.
36. A Step in the Right Direction
Nadine ,   Connecticut, US   (08.22.07)
Bravo to the ADL and the American Jewish Committee for calling a Genocide a Genocide. Scholars across the world including scores of Jewish scholars have determined that the Ottoman attempt to erase the Armenians from the earth was in fact a genocide. The Polish Jew Rafael Lemkin who coined the word Genocide said that it did in fact apply to the muder of 1.5 million Armenians between 1915-1923. Now, the ADL and others need to take the next step and support the legislation pending in the US Congress which acknowledges the horrors perpetrated against the Armenians. Wasn't the denialist conference held in Iran enough to make Jews realize that history repeats itself. Do you think that any group is immune to final stage of Genocide...Denial? Moreover, posters, please get your facts straight. First, Armenians actually fought AGAINST the Natzi Forces in World War II. Second, it ws the GERMANS who assisted the Turks with their plans to exterminate the Armenians in 1915. Finally, Turkey waves a big stick about punishing those who side with the Armenians. Look at France, a country that stood up for what is right. Trade between Turkey and France has actually increased since France formally acknowledge the Armenian Genocide.
37. Josh, please go to Germany !
Dina   (08.22.07)
You and other Armenians (hear me, I call you an Armenian, not an Israeli or American even though you claim to be one) stop abusing jewish people by trying to make connections between the jewish genocide made by germans and what happened to both sides during the world war 1.
38. Never the Turkih Jews, but the Israeli-Turkish relationships
Kerem ,   Turkey   (08.22.07)
will be badly affacted. And it should. Turkish jews are our sisters and brothers. We live here shoulder by shoulder, enjoy the land together.Turkey welcomes everyone as long as they behave honourably. We wouldn't give even 1 single turkish jew in return of 100000 Armenians. Let this be a shame of the ADL, rising a such question if this will affect the jewish community in turkey or not..
39. Re: 7, 29, 30
Greg ,   LA   (08.22.07)
Killing 1.5 MILLION people is NOT a genocide?! And this happend between 1915-1917, so mixing Germany with it and WWII is simple MA-NI-PU-LATION.
40. Re: 37
Greg ,   LA   (08.22.07)
Whos making a connection?! Millions people were killed, hence GENOCIDE. What Dina, are you affraid to lose status of the 'only' nation being exterminated? Afraid that 'Holocaust Industry' will seize to exist? Abusing Jewish people by saying that other nation suffered as well?! You are SICK.
41. Don't be fooled
Nadine ,   Madison, USA   (08.22.07)
Turkish Jews are your "brothers and sisters?" Isn't that what you say about Turkish Armenians also? Yet your government uses tactics such as Penal Code 301 to repress the truth and encourage hate. Was Turkish Armenian journalist Hrant Dink one of your brothers? As he lay slain in the street and his blood dripped out of him; as his daughter stood at his side devastated. Why? Simply because he used his journalistic skills to try to bring free speech and openness to Turkey. His murderers, Turkish nationalists, bragged about killing another Armenian. They proudly posed for photos with Turkish police. Recognition is vital because the slaughter continues to this day. The hate that exists in Turkey continues. Don't fool yourself into believing that any Turkish minority is a "brother or a sister" of a Turk. The Jews are not; the Kurds are not, the Armenians are not.
42. ADL's first right step toward the Armenian Genocide
Ram Taragan ,   Telaviv, Israel   (08.23.07)
No matter what your racist anti-Armenian attitude is, the ADL, which has already acknowledged the Armenian Genocide, and all other Jewish organizations, such as the American Jewish Committee and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, will soon stop lobbying against the House Resolution 106 / Senate Resolution 106 recognising the Armenian Genocide; one of the fears these Jewish organizations have is the physical harm the Turkish people and government will do to their Jewish minority, knowing very well the brutal nature of the Turc based on past and present historical experience, otherwise why would they worry so much. For your information : Turkey had officially acknowledged the Armenian Genocide in 1919, when they lost the war and were an occupied country, the government of the day instituted a tribunal to try the crminal leaders of the previous regime (such as Talaat, Enver, Jemal, Shakir...etc who had fled the country and were all convicted to the death sentence by hanging) and close to 10,000 top officials were incarcerated in prisons, a lot of them were taken to the island of Malta. So you see that Turkey has officially accepted the responsibility for the Armenian Genocide. Begining from Mustafa Kemal, Turkey Started to deny the Genocide. I thought it was important that I set the historical record right.
43. ADL, Foxman
Morgan ,   Israel and USA   (08.23.07)
Abe Foxman is irrelevant. What he thinks is irrelevant to anyone except those from whom he receives contributions. He is certainly not even remotely in position to speak on behalf of the Jewish people or state of Israel.
44. I support abe foxman
izzy d   (08.23.07)
people. the adl is a JEWISH interest group. as such it makes no sense to get involved in what is obviously a sensitive geo-political question like the Armenian genocide. it is not a global human rights group dont subvert it intent. and dont quote jewish history because thats not relevant. I doubt the dentist association in israel will need to stand up and recognize the Armenian genocide. and dont tell me that the nazis are coming for me. there are plenty of human rights groups with noses long and a self righteousness bright enough to lighten up this whole aremnian story.
45. FOXMAN ENDANGERS TURKISH JEWS
JOEL SPRAYREGEN ,   CHICAGO IL   (08.23.07)
JAK KAMHI, RESPECTED LETTER OF TURKISH JEWS, HAS CHIDED FOXMAN FOR "PUTTING AT RISK TURKISH JEWS" AND HARMING US-TURKISH-ISRAELI RELATIONS ,WHICH MANY OF US WORKED HARD TO BUILD. THIS DAMAGE WAS CAUSED BY FOXMAN'S IMPERIOUSLY FIRING AN RESPECTED EXEC BECAUSE HE CAN'T TOLERATE DIFFERING OPINIONS AND THEN EXPEDIENTLY CHANGING ADL'S POSITION WHEN HE COULDN'T STAND THE HEAT. ALL THIS WAS DONE WITHOUT ANY THOUGHTFUL OR DELIBERATIVE PROCESS; THE NYTIMES CALLS FOXMAN "A ONE-MAN SANHEDRIN FOR LIFE." THE ADL IS PAYING A PRICE FOR TOLERATING FOXMAN'S DICTATORIAL REIGN. MANY WANT HIM TO RESIGN. INCIDENTALLY, YOUR UNATTRIBUTED ADL QUOTES (OBVIOUSLY NOT FROM FOXMAN)WERE SO FOOLISH AND INARTICULATE THAT YOU SHOULD IDENTIFY THE SOURCE. I AM FORMER ADL NATIONAL VICE-CHAIR AND AM CLOSE TO TURKISH JEWISH COMMUNITY AND TURKISH THINK TANKS. I FRQUENTLY VISIT TURKEY AND PUBLISH ARTICLES ABOUT THE COUNTRY IN NEWSPAPERS AND SCHOLARLY JOURNALS.
46. CORRECTION TO #45
JOEL SPRAYREGEN ,   CHICAGO IL USA   (08.23.07)
4TH WORD SHOULD BE "LEADER". SORRY, IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.
47. Nadine
peri   (08.23.07)
and everybody in the world is an anti-semite you think? i belong to a community that you'd call an 'ethnical minority' in Turkey, and yes, we're sisters and brother here. Couldn't you find anywhere on earth to be felt sister of anyone? I'm not surprised a hater like you doesn't believe in love&respect that exists between some other races.. You must be one of the poorest haters of all human-beings.
48. 43, 44
Greg ,   LA   (08.23.07)
Foxman speaks NOT on behalf of people of Israel, but on behalf of ADL, on organization found to so in the first place. And if ADL represents Jewish interest group, which it mostly does, nevertheless, maybe it's time to change its name into JADL (with Jewish as the first word). Don't you think, you ignorant hypocrites?!
49. Metin #7 has it backwards
David ,   Washington DC   (08.25.07)
I looked up metin's "facts." He has it backwards. 500,000 Armenians fought against the Nazis. The casualty rates were 50% among the highest in all of World War Two. 16,000 captured Americnamians were drafted into a Axis "Armenian Brigade.' When this brigade was found to be hiding Jewish POW that he Aremnains officers had faked papers for in order ot protect them, in their own ranks, the brigade was transfered to Holland as Hitler did not trust them. The much larger Azari and Turkemen Brigades remained in the Caucuses and collaborated heavily with the Germans. As far as Bernard Lewis, he had holdings in Turkey and in the 1960 version of his book "emergence of Modern Turkey" called the Armenian genocide "a holocaust." He changed his mind after not be allowed back into Turkey until the return of the Military goverrment there in 1980 and his vault face.. I feel sorry for Metin, a lot of information is censored in Turkey and authors are jailed and killed for mentioning the genocide.
50. What about Jews in Iran?
Nadine   (08.26.07)
Foxman's justification for initially refusing to acceept the Armenian Genocide and for continuing to work AGAINST the Congressional resolutions is convoluted. What about the persecuted Jewish community in Iran? Should fear for those people require the ADL to pussy foot around Iran?
51. eyewitness?
tom ,   toronto, canada   (08.26.07)
there are also contradictory views of the events, such as this account by a jewish man:
52. Ask the Rapist and Victim to Reconcile without Justice?
Lev Baron   (08.31.07)
Foxman's calling for reconciliation between the Armenians and Turks without official recognition of the Armenian genocide is like asking a victim of rape and the rapist to sit down and talk about what happened without the rapist being brought to justice. What a hypocrite. It's like saying the Nazis and Holocaust survivors should have sat down and discussed what happened instead of having war crime tribunals, reparations, and the bringing to justice of the Nazi perpetrators.
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