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Rabbi Yosef: Soldiers killed in war because they did not observe mitzvot
Dani Adino Ababa
Published: 27.08.07, 12:57
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1. Best way not to die in battle...
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (08.27.07)
...don't go into the army.
2. Rav Ovadia-simplistic and wrong
Alon ,   Bet Shemesh, ISR   (08.27.07)
With all due Kavod, this is simplistic thinking that does not bring our people together. Further, it is wrong since many 'dati' soldiers also die even tho they do keep the mitzvot.
3. Drivel to the right of me, drivel to the left...
JPS ,   Efrat   (08.27.07)
Here we are stuck in the middle with two morons. Somebody better tell Rav Ovadia that enemy bullets don't discern between a sefardi orthodox skull and an askenaz secular skull, but that there are more secular skulls than sefardi dati ones in the army. And Beilin always forgets that there are thousands of yeshiva guys in the army already and going in all the time. For supposedly smart people, they make themselves look pretty stupid.
4. So was G-d with us in Lebanon?
Josh   (08.27.07)
It is irronic that a Rabbi can point fingers about not doing Torah. So many additions that are het. Take a look at the dati and ask the same question that the Rabbis states, is G-d with them or are the curses running rampid there too? The answer is to scary for the eyes to acknowlege what they see lodged in their homes. Return to straight Torah. More seculars will participate when Rabbis go ligitimate with straight Torah and not additions under the het Torah bpeh.
5. Israel's real punishment
Bruno ,   Haifa   (08.27.07)
Shas is God's way of punishing Israel - their rabbis, their petty corruptions, their MKs, and the unmitigated rubbish they come out with.
6. R' Ovadia Yosef's words
Chaim ,   Los Angeles   (08.27.07)
Amazing how Miracles happened during the 6 day war, and the rescue of Entebbe .... and all done by blessed soldiers who didn't observe Mitzvot. Mordechai said to Queen Esther ... if you do not do your job to save the Jews, then help will come from elsewhere. Where are all of Rabbi Yosef's students? If they do not fight .. then G-d's help will come from elsewhere. Of course we want every Jew/soldier observing more. BUT .... How do you answer the parents of the Soldier who died and yet he was totally observant? In the month of Elul, we must make an open denouncement of such words from the 'Rabbi", and act in ways of loving and kindness. Its moments like this ... we understand why The Lubavitcher Rebbe was the true Jewish leader of the Jewish People. May G-d protect all of Eretz Yisroel with all those who are guarding our borders, and may G-d breathe a spirit of repentance and love to all Jews ... even to this Rabbi!
7. I've always known that Ovadia Yosef is an idiot...
DkS ,   PT, Israel   (08.27.07)
...but this newest nonsense he proclaimed is even below his own already very low standards (remember his remarks on women?). How many dedicatedly religious soldiers, who I'm sure prayed every day and did everything Yosef mentioned here, got killed in battle during the last war? Quite a few, if I remember well. This man proves himself time after time to be a backward moron, and it is hard to understand how anybody can take him seriously today. Democracy or not, he should be made forbidden to continue to speak in public. I can only hope that the insulting nonsense that escapes from his mouth will result in less seats for Shas...
8. It is funny though...
DkS ,   PT, Israel   (08.27.07) every time Shas party officials try (TRY) to defend or differently interpret Ovadia's remarks every time he spews out drivel... maybe it would be better for Shas not to be associated with this lunatic anymore!
9.  Because he is a Rabbi
Sagi ,   Israel   (08.27.07)
this man is entitled to utter obscenities, to belittle and cheapen the lives and sacrifice made by those who fought and died in order that he should live and be free to say as he pleases. On the other hand, precisely "because he is a Rabbi", if I were to write here what I think of him, it would not be permitted. I shall just have to leave it to your imagination.
Marlene ,   Israel   (08.27.07)
This report shows the mentality of this rabbi. It is a disgrace that he should even say this. These people do not work, do not enlist in the army, do not do any other service, all they do is spout "rubbish". He should be shunned by all normal people.
11. Ayatollah Josef
David ,   Haifa   (08.27.07)
If every people receives the ( spiritual ) leaders that it deserves, we are about as blessed as Iran, North Korea, Zimbabwe, and Libya. If what this mullah says was true, what about all the poor religious men, women and children who do pray every day, and who still get ill, killed, etc.? To me that does not make sense. But hey, I believe in a loving G'd, and not in some perverted form of Allah, whose prophets all believe that theirs is the only truth. Their stupid followers continue to listen to them and to pay them handsomely for keeping the poor masses stupid and dependent. If for one minute I believed that 'my' G'd kills fathers of young children, and sons of wonderful parents only because they drive a car, barbeque or watch television on Shabbat, I would stop believing right away.
12. All ego sans brains
Arn ,   Tel-Aviv   (08.27.07)
Stupid old man. He may have total recall of the bible but if he donates his body to science they'll wonder about that vacant area where a heart normally sits. All ego sans brains. For all his impressive garb beneath it sits no human being.
13. and mitzvot observants did not die because they didn't fight
14. God's game
Yosef said; "The Lord shall return the Arabs' deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world. it is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable" He couldn't dare to say to say the word Muslims, for him its only "Arabs". In Islam; Arabs and non-Arabs are equal. No oppressed "Mizrahim" in Islam!
15. mischievious senile putz
16. Maybe if we followed G-d instead things would change
Shiloh ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (08.27.07)
Following the mitzvot of haShem would do wonders for the world, not just the Jewish nation. But when you follow the mitzvot of men are you any better then those who don't? I would say not. Because Jews don't follow what men have written and deemed as commandments, they are destined for death, Bull Crap!! Phylacteries are 1000% rabbinical, so if you don't don phylacteries you will die. Being that, they end up returning to the dust, as does the entire human population, maybe treating each other with respect and human dignity while following the Commandments of haShem (10 Commandments) would lead to us living much longer. Enough already, when will we ever learn.
17. Forgot to mention, if you vote for shas,
Shiloh ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (08.27.07)
you have a place in the world to come! That is an exact quote. What a bunch of you know what.
18. Turning Religion Into Superstition.
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (08.27.07)
19. Ovadia Yosef''s ignorant and insulting comment
Frank Taylor ,   Netanya Israel   (08.27.07)
Perhaps for the very first time, i agree with Yossi Beilin - and i'm Dati Leumi. This so-called 'spitiual' leader should be brought to court (and to the bereaved parents) to answer for his disgusting comments. Does the Kassam or shell or bullet or grenade sort out the dati or the non-dati?? What rubbish. Maybe if his followers service in the IDF or even Sherut Leumi, we wouldn't be where we are. Disgusted - Frank Taylor
20. Religious Soldiers Died In Lebanon, Too.
David ,   Israel   (08.27.07)
21. I never thought I'd agree with Beilin but I do on this point
Roni   (08.27.07)
22. Didn't he say that soldiers died in ...
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (08.27.07)
...the Yom Hakippurim war because women wore fishnet stockings? Or was it another rabbi. I remember the "issue" but not the who was great mind that declared it.
23. This senile........
Mike ,   Rishon le Zion   (08.27.07)
..demented old fool should be horsewhipped and thrown into a lunatic asylum. And he calls himself God's spokesman with his pathetic drivel? We should stop giving him a media stage.
24. Ovadia Yosef = Tahat shel eza
Barron ,   Israel   (08.27.07)
It's undemocratic that Shas MKs run to this POS to confer on decisions that affect the nation. Out with Shas and its crazy ayatollah!
25. Well why not? Now see if his sons are bulletproofs now?
They are studying and oserving torah...then they should be bulletproofs right ovadia...?
26. where's THE PAQID to defend this rabbi?
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (08.27.07)
he needs to descent and accuse everyone here of being 'misojudaic' , as well as straighten out our faulty logic on this matter. maybe mr messiah is tucked away somewhere.
27. 1# Dorothy, best way to die in Tel Aviv
Judah ,   Golan Heights,ISRAEL   (08.27.07)
Is if myself and tens of thousands of men and woman evade the draft and don't show up for milium. How long do you think you would last in Tel Aviv if we all took your advice? The only question is who would rape and murder you first. Would it be the Palestinians, the Jordanians, the Egyptians, the Syrians or the Iranians? Dorothy you should think before you send such a foolish emails.
28. This man
Aharon ,   Jerusalem   (08.27.07)
does not belong in our midst. He should be shunned and blacklisted by all decent people.
29. Twisted old man
Taula ,   Israel   (08.27.07)
And yet another disgusting hateful fountain of spew from this sick evil man's mouth. Thank god he's old so we won't be having to put up with too much more of his drivel. I give him the one finger salute.
30. Solution is clear..
Simon ,   Malha   (08.27.07)
All non-religious Jews do not serve in the army and all religious do? how clever!
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