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Haredi school rejects 'Sephardi' child
Zvi Alush
Published: 02.09.07, 10:09
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91. I'm Confused
bill ,   pennsylvania U.S.A.   (09.03.07)
I was always told (as are all Americans) that Israel is the only democracy in the middle east. This story makes it clear to me that it is not true. I wonder how many other things I've been told about Israel are not true!
92. Bearded bigots of Bet Shemesh
Raphael ,   Netanya   (09.03.07)
believe they are an elite cast, giving the Arabs the great pleasure of seeing a rift within the jewish people. They forget how they were themselves despised as Polaken by arrogant jeckes. Do these crackpots really believe that nazis or islamists would see a difference, so that they get a better place in the gas chamber?
93. “I begged the principal. I explained that etc., etc.,"
Bartley Kulp ,   Safed, Israel   (09.03.07)
Give it up lady!! Moshe Rabbeinu himself could not gain admittance to this sorry sack of shit that you are calling an institution. This should not be a terrific loss!!!
94. if true, fire & prosecute principal, stop funding of school
dante ,   uk   (09.03.07)
95. #91 Bill
Jane   (09.03.07)
Gee, Bill. I've always been toled that America is the ultimate democracy. Why then is it that the African American population was abandoned during Katrina? Huh, Bill?
96. The geneology of kings is important, but of others
Rivkah   (09.03.07)
it should not be as important. Rabbi Yeshua said to be not concerned with foolish geneologies. Such a long ago, geneologies were being used to hurt people, too. In America, the important geneology is to be descended from British Kings and Queens or from Revolutionary War soldiers, sailors, and marines. All American Presidents are related distantly to British Royal Monarchs. Geneologies keep a bloodline pure, if the avoidance of miscegenation is the issue. Some say the blood type should be the deciding factor on social acceptance, which is also fanciful. But according to that theory, "O" blood is the genetic heritage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. "A" type blood is a corruption of the genetic DNA with Angel marriages and nephilim progeny who tend to be blonds. "B" blood type is the corruption of the DNA with beasts like gorillas. "AB" is a corrupted blood type of both fallen Angels AND Beasts in the DNA. People really believe that. Maybe that should be a deciding factor in who goes to what school so that type "O" blood people marry type "O" and the other blood types are shunted over to other schools with no hope of diluting the Angel or Beast pollution back to the perfect "O" type. What was the origin of royal titles? King comes from the name Cain, to give you a clue. The descendants of Cain were the first DUKES, or Royals. To each his own.
97. #95 Jane
Bill ,   pennsylvania U.S.A.   (09.03.07)
Well, first off. We are a republic, not a democracy! As far as African-Americans being abandoned during Katrina, Yes it did happen, and it was mostly G.W.'s fault that it happened. I never claimed my republic was utopia, but it seems as though many Israeli politicians shove the message down our throats that Israel does no wrong, and everything bad that happens over there, happens because of the uncivilized Palestinians. Turns out, you do pretty good at tearing yourselves down.
98. 13. Are Haredim really Jewish?
jack ,   richmond, va, usa   (09.03.07)
Please let us not divide up the descendants of the ancient Israelites any more than already has been done. Good grief. You have a simple bigot. That is common. Don't increase the problem by generating more division. The man who said, and did, this is simply a bigot and should be called out on it, but to paint the entire Ashkenazi Haredim with the same bigoted brush is unfair. Even if this were a majority view, and if it is, why exactly do they live in Israel? Oh yeah...
99. Sephardi or Mizrahi?
shimon   (09.03.07)
Sephardim tend to be more anti-zohar/ari in ritual and mizrahim tend to take it right into the core. True Ashkenazim (i.e. yeckers) have much in common with Sephardim (i.e. Spanish and Portuguese). Your article lacks very important details. Most people you call Sephardim have almost nothing to do with Sephardim. Hahkamim like the Ben Ish Hai have never been accepted amongst Sephardim. I am totally supportive of an institute wishing to maintain ritual purity but unfortunately from the reading of this article I have no clue if this is the case. This is a basic human right unless the institute was a regional and not ritual then you shouldn't be forcing your morals down their troats.
100. THIS ISN'T JUST A PROBLEM WITH RELIGIOUS SECTOR, IT CUTS
David ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (09.03.07)
Through all of Israel. Ashkenazi always acting as if they are better. Geneological test have proved again and again that Sefardim are purer. Ashkenazi bring in many non-Torah beliefs and then tell us that we can't be Jews if we don't follow their heretical beliefs. They try to tell us to wear the horrid Polish knickers ad infinitum. This has been going on since the inception of this state. Ben-Gurion tried this same social engineering when he took children away from Sefardi families. This story is absolutely no suprise!!
101. discrimination against us
liat ,   rishon lezion Israel   (09.03.07)
why is it when a sefardic pupic doesn't get accepted into a dumb nursery everyone is up in arms, but when the state of israel openly discriminates against the gay and lesbian community, no one cares, no one dares utters a word. DENOUNCE Racism!!
102. ...he ministry will take steps to force...
ashkenazi ,   israel   (09.03.07)
There is no need in any 'steps'. What this example teach us is that we ARE all different.: ashkenazi, spharadi, blacks, whites... We are different and this IS deeply engraved in out mind. So, what we need to do is not to make any 'force' of pretence or pretension, but rather be strict to 'village rules' of our ethnicity. And, sure, coexistence is not last thing we have to keep in mind.
103. To all of you
ashkenazi ,   israel   (09.03.07)
You haven't got the point. The point is not "who is good" and "who is bad". The point is that we ARE different and that are WE, whether you accept this or not. That we are all and this is nothing to do with it. We need to learn who to live together on the basis of "differences" as something which is opposed to "similarities" we have been taught so far.
104. Did someone named Tali write this ficticious story..
Batya   (09.03.07)
without having the guts to sign it?
105. Most probably
Dvora   (09.03.07)
this woman doesn't exist, this school doesn't exist. Anti hareidi fiction is Ynet's favourite. Sfardim have terrific schools, in addition to the mamlachti dati schools and kindergartens attended by many beautiful children of ashkenaz and sfard extraction. So try to cut the krap - talkbackistim. Of Ynet I have NO such expectations.
106. #96 RIVKA, SEE, IF YOU USE HEAVY DRUGS, THESE ASHKENAZI
David ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (09.03.07)
Hallucinations start happening. Are you dipping into the Hashish that some of your non-Jewish Ashkenazi used, when they came up with some of their ideas?
107. Sephardi ?
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.03.07)
Why should an Ashkenazi father not send his boy to a Ashkenazi Talmud Tora ? I think that for Cohanim it's the father who counts , not the mother . Why can this , if i'm correct , not be applied to this case ? Other point . In my family there was a Tanach , given from father to son , in wich everyone wrote his name and place of living . Well , many generations ago , my forefathers came from Turkey to Poland . Am i sephardi because of this ? Who knows of what descendance this school head is ? Don't we have in this country many Sephardim in our Governement ? Did'nt Sephardim serve as President ? Did'nt Sephardim have high ranking officers in the IDF ? And what about the many others , anonymous ones , who contributed very much to our country . They are Jewish , those Jews who see them as second class citizens are racists .
108. Kyle and Dvora et al
Sagi ,   Israel   (09.03.07)
trying to defend the indefensible.
109. meir porush and the principal
trumpledor ,   london   (09.03.07)
the ugliest people in israel.
110. the education authorities
salah shabbatai ,   geneva   (09.03.07)
will they sack the principal? i bet they will do nothing wharsoever.
111. #73 Some of us know from experience..
Aharon   (09.03.07)
If you think racism of this sort is rare in the Haredi community, you're in for a shock...
112. #96 Rivkah, What are you talking about?
(09.03.07)
Your talkback is irrelavent to the topic of the article. As usual you always stear off the topic.
113. To No. 103
NYC Girl   (09.03.07)
The problem is the rabbi is quoted as referring to a "stain" on the child's geneology. This goes beyond recognizing and accepting differences, and can only be iinterpreted as bigotry and an undeserved sense of superiority.
114. Hey #'s 18 &26 you can count me in !!!!
(09.03.07)
115. GIVE OVER - IT'S A HOAX!!!!
Shalom   (09.03.07)
do any of you read the talkbacks??? Beit Shemesh municipality knew NOTHING about it!!! It's a hoax intended to make more anti-Hareidi incitement. They won!
116. MOSHE RABBEINU WAS SEPHARDI, I GO TO HIS SHUL SO I KNOW.....
..............DACON9   (09.03.07)
THE ASHKANAZ IS DESTROYING JUDAISM AND TORAH . IT STARTED IN THE 1800s. THE ASHKANAZ CREATED LIES BY MAKING LABELS AND TYPES OF JUDAISM. ASHKANAZ STARED DEFORM,DECONTRUCTIONIST AND CONSERVATIVISM. THEY BROKE DOWN FAMILIES STRUCTURES AND VALUES. ASHKANAZ TOLERANCE AND DIVERSITY CONDONES HOMOSEXUALITY, KIBBUTZ LOOSE LOVE, DRUGS,,,,, OH AND OF COURSE RACISM AND BIGOTRY TOWARDS SEPHARDEEM BUT ALLEGIANCE TO THE ARABS AND ASSORTED TRASH THE ASHKANAZ LOVE TO MARCH AND SUPPORT. LETS SEE THE LIST OF ASHKANAZ DESTROYERS OF THE WORLD.. WE HAVE NEZTEI AND BEEZTREI AND LEEZTRIE and many say herztel ALL GREAT ASHKANAZ NEW AGE ELIGHTENMENT PHILOSOPHERS WHOSE BRILLIANCE HAVE PRODUCED MORE NUTS THEN THE TREES IN TURKEY. SO MOSES WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ENTER INTO THEIR SCHOOL...... WHAT ABOUT ALMOST EVERY SEFER, BOOK , THEY ARE NOW LEARNING FROM,,MOSTLY ALL SEPHARDEEM. AND THIS IS THE MONTH OF JUDGEMENT AND REPENTANCE. NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WEAR THE BLACK CLOTHES... IT REPRESENTS THEIR BLACK MINDS.... TO BE KIND TO OUR ENEMY OR TO LEAD THEM TO TORAH.... what should i do? what are the ashkanaz. FIRST I HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT THE BLACK HATTERS ARE.... OH WELL , LET ME GO TO FEED MY CAMEL HEALTHY YEAR TO EVEN THE ASHKANAZ THANK YOU, DACON9 PS: will the ashkanaz russians from exodus 10 yrs ago RETURN THE MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THE SEPHARDIS DONATED TO HELP YOU.... BECAUSE YOURE ASHKANAZ, THATS THE ONLY REASON...... ATT: hitler, i am sephardi ,does that mean I AM ok WITH YOU. ATT: haman, they are ashkanaz, does that mean they are ok with you? ATT:arabs, we are all jews, and most of us are also JEWISH...... MASHIACH IS COMING TO GET YA
117. #106,THIS MONTH WE HAVE TO BE KIND TO WACKOS, NOW GO REPENT
..............DACON9   (09.03.07)
118. charles107
avi ,   nyc   (09.03.07)
"They are Jewish , those Jews who see them as second class citizens are racists . " Um, since they are of the same race, the term "racism" is quite inappropriate.
119. Sagi et al
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (09.03.07)
You are so pathetic is your fanatical hatred, THIS STORY IS COMPLETELY BOGUS but you believe it because you want to.
120. 106 &112 Are you being paid by Omri Sharon?
Rivkah   (09.03.07)
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