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Reserved synagogue seats going for $50,000
Yehudit Yahav
Published: 04.09.07, 10:04
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61. More religion bashing from Y Net.
Avraham ,   Netivot   (09.05.07)
I am a regular shul goer & I attend an Ashkenazi Chabad shul, although I am not Chabad, & have NEVER had to pay for an Aliya or for a seat at any time, in fact I have never been asked to pay for an Aliya in any shul in Israel. Any donation I give to a shul is of my of my own free will, I have never been asked. This article is pure religion bashing & is not news. Y Net should be ashamed for publishing this garbage.
62. So funny to boringly read
koosherina   (09.05.07)
all the regular jewish religion haters. About as useless as me comparing the tastes of pig sandwiches in tuvtam or mizra or whatever the place is called
63. #32 Chabbad....
Josh   (09.05.07)
They are Kabbalists and Kabbalah is magic....what does that say. As for their Chabbad kindness, I converted "conservetive" and was arranged to join them for a Pesach meal. I studied Torah orthodox and practiced a modern orthodox lifestyle, but I could not afford to live in an orthodox neighborhood, such as Beverly Hills, (for eruv) so I was forced to convert more strict conservitive synagogue. On the day of Pesach, I took a bus to join them for the meal, It was all arranged and I spoke with the organizer. Upon showing up we began to talk and I shared as I always do the truth about my conversion and who I am. I am proud to be a gerrem - for you were gerreem in mtzriam. They tossed me out - no food, just a rejection. At the time I was wearing tztizits, kippah and had a beard. I practice a daily lifestyle and observance of an orthodox. In stead I had to make it back home before the evening and scrambled to make my own loneosme Pesach meal. This has changed as I have figured out that most of the Torah they rabbis sell is chet additions to Torah. They make Torah expensive for people to accept - and I would assume souls are lost because of it. So excuse me if tell people that the Chabbad may not be the group to sit with when you ask heaven for forgiveness. Change your ways.
64. Avraham , netivot
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.05.07)
When you have an Alyah Latora , are'nt you asked : Mi'she Berach ? and donate something to the Synagogue after this blessing ? This is of course not obligator as you say .
65. Josh and Rebecca
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.05.07)
As non Jews , mind your own business . And josh , the Tora was GIVEN to the Jewish people , you the non Jews , have only TAKEN , at least , if not STOLEN , it from the legitimate owners . And i say this as a Jewish atheist , not as a religious person , but this you know
66. #51 This is lovely to read,
Kate ,   PT   (09.05.07)
but wasted on all the Sags and old bags that drool while penning their poison. I hope that decent respectful Jews will enjoy the tfillot there, the Rina and the Tfilla. Your services are beautiful. May Gd forgive our hate vendors, He's nobler than I am.
67. #57
Ram ,   london   (09.05.07)
You need to relax and offload your unwarranted and illogical anger! Shana Tova
68. #56 Ha,ha,ha, "The only way to the Father is through the son
Jan ,   usa   (09.05.07)
HHMMM, I wonder who said that?
69. 65: charles: looks like M.Hartley has dropped out or
(09.05.07)
taken a vacation. You need one, too, so you can study the holy scriptures. Was RUTH, the great grandmother of King David a JEW? No. She was a Moabitess. Was RAHAB who was also in the lineage of King David a Hebrew? No. Was Asenath, the wife of Joseph in the bible a Hebrew? No. She was Egyptian. Was the wife of Judah ben Jacob a Hebrew? She was a Canaanite. SO, CHARLES, WHERE DO YOU GET OFF CRITICIZING NON-JEWS FOR STUDYING TORAH WITH JEWS? You know so little of the religion of your ancestors, as you admit.
70. is it all about thithes, Levites & Mizrahi discrimination
(09.05.07)
71. #67 Of course
Josh   (09.05.07)
When you make inflamatory and insulting remarks - expect this at very least. "Seculars posting their comments here should refrain from criticising what they obviously do not comprehend! " Maybe you should be so insulting and limit the use of exclamation points. Have a good year if you have it coming. Heaven is righteous
72. #68 The answer is....
Josh   (09.05.07)
There is a joke here...of course. That is that the first begotten son is Israel, and only through the covenant of Israel will the world learn of the Father. This is Torah, the foundation of Christianity's claim that Jesus is the Messiah...He is not. Dosn't match a single messianic prophecy when read in context. Claims of Jesus being the first begotton son are unfounded as Torah came before the NT and Torah states Israel is the first beggotton son. Now the question of you believing Jesus is G-d is also not found in either the Torah nor the New Testament. In fact you will find in both (NT & OT) a call for you not to reject G-d the father (whom you do not know) and not to reject Torah (which you do not follow). So the ha, ha, ha is really not so funny considering a choice of not following the True G-d and not doing Torah will bring war, broken families, women aborting babies, child criminal class, enemies promoted higher than you, fat children, insanity and the mass shooters they bring, and more. The joke is the curses and that which one should fear the most - were chosen by people just like you. Talk about humiliation. The kind that Moses predicts for fallen Israel's future. Reality tends to string. Choose a blessing or choose a curse - fallen Jews/Christians have chosen. After all what is your symbol but a dead first begotten son. Guess who the jokes on? Israel shall be a light to all nations. So yes only throught the son (Israel's covenant that is Torah) shall one know the Father (G-d of Israel). Through knowing the Father and the covenant, you will know Jesus is fullfiller of Deut 13 and not the Messiah. Don't build a castle on sand.
73. It Just Isn't Kosher
Mark ,   Israel   (09.05.07)
The whole issue of money and religion is one of the main reasons I left the US and moved to a secular kibbutz.
74. #72 Israel is the first beggotton son?
(09.05.07)
it must be the not completely kosher wine you had? Ask the Rabbi !
75. #63 Why Chabad kindly requested you to leave
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (09.05.07)
What is the name of the rabbi who you claim "threw you out" and I'll get his side of the story. From your tb's you appear to be some kind of Christian, as you well know you are not welcome to preach your version of the gospel at a Jewish service.
76. Anonymous # 74
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.05.07)
For your info : this josh is not Jewish
77. Kyle , josh is not Jewish
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.05.07)
78. #76
(09.05.07)
you mean he is not one of the G-d's sons?
79. I wish I had the $50,000 in Tzedekah
Steve ,   USA   (09.06.07)
B"H It is a great act to support a local synnagogue in this season. It is wonderful that this is so highly valued, as local places of worship need our help and support.
80. #75 - Wrong
Josh   (09.06.07)
The story is as I stated. They rejected me because I was "Conservitive". The Gospel is the fullfullment of the curses of Torah under the false prophet test of Devareem 13. Jesus on the contrary, came not to bring peace but to test and punish the Fallen Jews for not doing Torah and at a time where Jews were doing magic and about to loose the Temple. A lesson all Jews who do not do Torah. It should be recognize as Christianity is the fault of our failure. Jesus is not my savior - something I cant seem to get Charles to state cause and what I would call proof he is not representative of a Jew nor an atheiest as he claims. I dont remember the Rabbis name but it was in Ramat Aviv near the canyon. I was not forcefully removed like some bouncer threw me out because I yapped on about Jesus and Gospel...as you would like to imply. I am a Jewish convert - not a Christian. I was observing for years as an orthodox according to their rules but told as a non-orthodox convert I could not stay for the meal or lodge for the night - despite the previous arrangement. Everyone knows, or should know, how the Egyptian Hebrews and other souls with them were Gereem and converted in the Dessert. The Chabad seems to think they are allowed to do such things and reject those returning to Hashem because of a ceremony invented by the Rabbis. Worse despite the ceremony being done according to Hachlaha ceremony, the wrong Jew did it. It was not an orthodox Jew who collected a soul to Hashem. You probably agree with them.
81. #78 What he means is he wants me to...
Josh   (09.06.07)
...shut up about Jesus not being the messiah. I converted Jewsish. The Conservative movement in the US considers me Jewsih and the state of Israel considers me Jewsish. I have official documents stating I am Jewsih. A Jews-for-Jesus pretender just wants to discredit me and remain silent as he converts Jews away from Hashem. Charles will not deny he is a Chistian as he cannot as a Christain deny Christ without going to hell according to his belief. I can deny Christ and debunk Christianity. Something a Christian cannot do without conflicting with their g-d. Jesus is not my Savior Jesus is not G-d nor a real G-d at all (he got his power from a spirit possession) Jesus is not the Messiah Jesus does not match prophecy except as the punisher and tester of the false prophet. The christian representation of Jesus is a fraud according to the Torah even according to the NT. Charles posted #76 and #78 to get back at me. It is to discredit, slander and defame me. You can tell he is frustrated as he posted the same message twice. I ruin his work. Charles is a pest to all posters. Just look at his posts.
82. #74 Read it for once
Josh   (09.06.07)
Biblically, the Jews are known as sons of God. Exodus 4:22 You must say to Pharaoh, "This is what God says: Israel is My son, My first born." God's only begotten son was and is Israel. Israel consists of hundreds of thousands of begotten sons. Exodus 19:3 "Moses went up to God. God called to him from the mountain and said, 'This is what you must say to the family of Jacob and tell the Israelites…'" Also in (20:19) "And the Lord said unto Moses: Thus thou shalt say unto the Children of Israel: Ye yourselves have seen that I have talked with you from heaven."
83. Josh , the non Jew
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.06.07)
Who is talking about yesua here , i or you ? so who is the christian ? this guy who talks abou it , and that's you .. Yes i posted it twice , for two different people , but i am not frustrated by telling it . And i'll say it more . Regarding me . I'm 100 % jewish , secular . Did'nt need to convert , and as you talk about papers asserting that you are jewish [ the same as this paqid has , i supposse ] i can tell you that i have also such a paper , a difference with yours : mine is issued by an ORTHODOX RABBANUT in Europe . So it's a true one
84. Charles - just deny Jesus
Josh   (09.06.07)
I could buy an Orthodox certificate for $500. I wont believe you till you come out and deny Jesus. I speak of Jesus not as promotion but as something terrible, so If I criticize Budah or Mohamed, does that make me a Buhdist or Muslim. I think not. I have asked you thee times to post that you denounce Jesus as your savior. You never will because your hiding something from us real Jews. You dont want to go to hell for rejecting him. According to beliefs that I know as a ex-Christian, beliefs the Jews your trying to dupe dont know, You cannot deny Jesus because he will be waiting at the gate and recall your denying him. It is this Christain belief that holds you from stating what should be easy for a Jew and easier for an athiest. Just post that you deny Jesus as your Savior and G-d. Thats all I ask you to do to prove to me you are really a pure Jew and not a Judeo-christain, messianic Jew, Jews-for-Jesus liar. Just post it already.
85. Josh
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.06.07)
Jesus , for me he was a little Jew , whom the christians made a "son of god" . He was , for them , the son of a virgin [ Yes they believe it as far as i know ] For me that's all . No all , in his name , MY , and not your , people was persecuted during all the past centuries . If you could buy a certificate from a orthodox rabbi for $ 500 it means that you were interested in such a paper because you are not jewish , i had'nt to buy it , received it for free [ made of course a voluntary contribution ] They knew me and my family , who are all buried in a Orthodox Jewish cemetery [ those who died of course and not those murdered by the nazis ] Now , josh the non Jew , are you satisfied with my answer ?
86. #84 Josh, why don't you just deny Jesus as your saavior and
God? But you won't ,   for fear of hell.   (09.06.07)
87. Charles in P.T. I agree with you for once.
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (09.07.07)
This Josh person is no Jew, considering how he is so eager to send everyone who is not Josh into eternal Hell.
88. Kyle , regarding this non Jew , Josh
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.07.07)
Even a blind person can see that this guy is not "kosher" , the same as his colleague this paqid . Both are hiding their true beliefs behind nonsense .
89. #85 No Not Satisfied
Josh   (09.09.07)
You did not say he is not "your" savior. So you and all the other Christians attacking me are embracers of the New Testament and a false G-d. Charles you have been given plenty of oportunity for straight talk yet you talk about everyone including dead Jewsish relatives. You never stated Jesus was not you Savior nor your G-d. Every Christian can claim a Jewish background. But ony a True "Jew" who loves G-d and knows Torah will deny any other False g-d. I deny Jesus as G-d and I deny heim as the mosiach. This sentance above is the only acceptable post as proof. I said it - now you say it and I will be satisified. As for the certificate, I was offered it and refused it - I converted conseravtive. Your an apostate Jew and a Chistian - you dont fool me. What your up to on these posts is clear - to make real practicing Jews look bad.
90. #87 Kyle
Josh   (09.09.07)
Charles claims he is an athiest - so if he believes there is no G-d, he ceratinly wouldnt believe in Hell. In fact he would probably think the whole Jewish Torah thing is a hoax, since there was no G-d to make a deal with Abraham nor to lead the Hebrews out of Egypt. Humor me as I attempt to follow the line of thinking of a so called Atheist. In addition, the idea that an orthodox certificate stating you are one of G-d's chosen people, would be more absurd to an Atheists. So one would think. Lastly, Kyle, just because you believe taking on a false g-d that violates the first commandment of one G-d not a trinity, will save you from hell and not subject you to the curses outlined for such a violation, does not mean everyone else believes it. If anything is nonsense - forgiveness of all mens sins is. Take a look around - we pay daily. No waiting for Yom Kippur and no human sacrafice for all mens sins (Jesus). That is nonsense. You are repaid to your face - according to Torah, G-d will deliver judgement very quickly. As an ex firefighter, I can say I agree with this. eternal Hell - you have no idea.
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