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31. #5 well said
(09.14.07)
32. #25 Mahmood didn't do his homework!
DR ,   Florida, USA   (09.14.07)
We already knew that Iran was funneling weapons and fighters to Hezballah through Syria. These two terror nations have been holding hands and working together to de-stabilize the region for a long time. iranian rockets found in Iraq prove that Iran is funding and arming the insurgency. None of this is news Mahmood. Maybe you should start acknowledging reality and realizing the truth.
33. Look who's talking Condi
Stacie ,   Canada   (09.14.07)
More Iraqis have died in the short time since the US invaded than Saddam's entire reign. Tell us again who the World's most dangerous people are?
34. #5, the anti-semite
(09.14.07)
<..if one side has nukes the opponent tries to achieve the same.> Ah..very logical. Please elaborate on Germany's nuclear arsenal. <..there is no proof whatsoever that Syria is developing nukes.> So you have personally inspected The Big Hole In The Desert? Well, we know you are not Kurdish, Kuwaiti, or Iranian. Again, not a Kurd are you? Their decision--along with a little some help from Iran and Al Queda. The great "peace makers." Again, not a Kurd are you? That's more up to the ME than GW. <..which people is dangerous…..I’d rather go for the American.> OK, you hate Israel and you hate America. So...not Kurdish, not Kuwaiti, not Iranian, probably not Syrian. I would believe German. Why don't you go polish you boots and leave the peace making to people who aren't consumed with hate?
35. # 19 M.Hartley
Sagi ,   israel   (09.14.07)
Human physiology is quite complicated. In order for Johannes to speak Russian, or indeed to speak at all, he would require to have a progenitor, usually called a grandfather. Under the circumstances you described, this would have been highly unlikely. I fear that not only would Johannes not be speaking, there would simply be no Johannes.
36. #33...ignorant, Naive stacie!
DR ,   Florida, USA   (09.14.07)
Who is killing the Iraqis on a daily basis? Is it American soldiers? NO! It is the same people you are routing for. Radical Muslims who hate everyone, including other muslims and Insurgents trained and armed by iran and Syria. Why a person in Canada hates the US and Isarel so much is beyond me? Maybe you came from another part of the world...say Iran?
37. #30 What were they thinking of you?
Stacie ,   Canada   (09.14.07)
Have you the slightest idea what the World thinks of the "average" loud mouthed American traveling abroad? Take off your sunglasses cowboy, it's extremely offensive.
38. Condi meets Olmert
Jake T ,   Alaska   (09.14.07)
Condi comes to dinner with Ehud Olmert. At the dinner that night, the first course is served and it is Matzoh Ball Soup. Condi looks at this and, after learning what it is called, she tells an aide that she can’t eat such a gross and strange-looking brew. The aide says that Mr. Olmert will be insulted if she doesn’t at least taste it. Not wanting to cause any trouble (after all she ate a sheep’s eye in honor of her Arab guests), she gingerly lowers his spoon into the bowl and retrieves a piece of matzoh ball and some broth. She hesitates, swallows, and a grin appears on her face. She finds she really likes it, digs right in, and finishes the whole bowl. “That was delicious,” Condi says to Olmert. “Do the Jews eat any other part of the matzoh, or just the balls?”
39. DR from florida
Mike ,   Houston, TX   (09.14.07)
DR from Florida. The number of Americans who think Israel is a threat to world peace is ENORMOUS -- so crawl back to the hole u came out from.
40. I DID MY HOMEWORK,DR...........#32
MAHMOOD ,   LONDON-UK   (09.14.07)
But,DR,I already have acknowledged it.How come your memory is becoming so weak?Any attack on Iran will unleash retaliatory strike beyond your tiny brain's imagination...........it will be Syria,Hezbullah and some more to come in Iraq as well.So dont be under the impression that I have not done my homework.............instead,you have not revised what is known to you for a while
41. Stacie (#37) shows the spread of the infection to Canada.
sk ,   USA   (09.14.07)
Stacie, dear, not only am I more sophisticated than you, I have no doubt traveled more extensively as well. It is ridiculous (and telling) that you refer to me as "cowboy." How about if I refer to you (more accurately) as a fur seal? "The world" is a vulgar abstraction that sophisticated people avoid. I am well aware of the cliches that those who consider themselves select harbor about Americans. I am also aware of the preposterous airs that many Canadians now put on about their Europeanness. Oh and about your anti-American stereotypes: they were largely cooked up in France, and they apparently developed even before the US was officially a country. Please read Philippe Roger, _The American Enemy_. No doubt you can read it in the French, in which I expect it will be even more pungent. Love, sk http://www.amazon.com/American-Enemy-History-French-Anti-Americanism/dp/0226723682/ref=ed_oe_h/103-4791045-3807066?ie=UTF8&qid=1189788732&sr=8-1
42. "Mike" (Ahmed) from Houston: prove it.
sk ,   USA   (09.14.07)
43. WaY To Go Condi!!!!
jay   (09.14.07)
Everytime i hear or read the title "secretary of state of the USA" and see your face and smile,not to mention the attitude(imagined or otherwise),i cant help but smile at how we human beings forget so quickly..before you keep going on about "this country,our nation, our security...etc etc"..please try to look up your family tree..you are most probably from the gambia,sierra leone,liberia...or some poor west african country..WAKE UP!! "YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN!! your forefathers were shackled and bought to america "(your country)" to pick cotton...so before you start your patriotic ravings about "your" country,find your real roots and try to do something useful for "your real country " where theres so much misery and bloodshed and hunger!!!
44. #39 Mike Houston
Marcel ,   Florida   (09.14.07)
mixed up mike ,heres a correction. Because you were recently released from prison where the majority of inmates by U.S. government action/inaction have been indoctrinated in the way of Islam and hate Israel and the Jews in great numbers ,it does not mean that the rest of the population follows your view. We see islam as the greatest threat to this world.. Maybe they should send you back to the hole ?
45. B-2, not the rock group
alan ,   georgia straights   (09.14.07)
The lead article in the Atlantic Monthly this week is about the strategic abilities of the B-2 bomber which can deliver many 500 pound bombs directly on target or several much larger bombs, including nukes. Obviously, the existance of the B-2 has not detered Iran or Syria--- yet. But in conjunction with the bombing of Syria last week, and the Russian missile failure there, one would hope the Syrians are having a few second thoughts. #5 thinks there was no harm from Saadam. Unless of course you happened to be the town that he was torturing or killing. The sanguine attitude of a " German" ( we don't know if #5 is a German and probably is not) about torture of Arabs by Arabs while they scream bloody murder about nude shot "torture" in Abbu Garab is laughable and hypocritical in the extreme and shows the bankrupt reactions passing for thnking now a days. Wake up people. It is 1939 all over again. Hitler's spirit is alive and well in Iran and Syria too. And that brings us back to the B-2 whose nom de garre is the spirit of death. The queston for those in the West is where do you want the deaths? In Berlin or Damascus?
46. #37, Stacie Ashrawi
DR ,   Florida, USA   (09.14.07)
Are these people who think so lowly of Americans the same ones who come to Disney World by the millions??? Where do you get your stats and facts? Remember, Al-Jazeera doesn't count!
47. #39, Mike from Houston-istan
DR ,   Florida, USA   (09.14.07)
I am almost positive that you are wrong on this one. Most educated Americans understand that Israel is in the same fight as the US and most of Europe...against radical islam. How many Countries has Israel invaded? how many people have they killed in other countries? Now look at radical Islam and compare the numbers genius!!!
48. #40, Mahmood still loves terror!
DR ,   Florida, USA   (09.14.07)
So you acknowledge the fact that Iran and Syria are terror-supporting states which kill innocent civilians all over the world. Then you tell me you do not hate anyone, but I think that anyone with your stance on this issue has to hate Isarel and the US. Why else would your way of thinking be so backwards??? And again, how can you support countries that would kill your fellow countrymen in a heartbeat?
49. #41 Wrote "not only am I more sophisticated than you"
Stacie ,   Canada   (09.14.07)
Yes, you certainly are at ease displaying your level of "sophistication" and thus confirming everything I said.
50. To #35, Sagi
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (09.14.07)
I was referring to the end of WWll when the US, stupid as even that was, let the Russians only advance to the Elbe, and to a later incident, when the Russians sealed off Berlin and the Allies - mostly the US - kept the people in the Western Sectors alive with endless food airlifts. The Allies had decided to supply West Berlin from the air, flying cargo to its three airfields, Tegel, Gatow, and Tempelhof. Initially most aircraft available were Dakotas. But soon larger C-54s were used and the tonnage flown in increased: 400 tons arrived in all of June, but by mid-July this quantity arrived each and every day. By January 1949, with the airlift in full swing and despite atrocious weather, a daily average of 5,500 tons!!! arrived. This went on from June, '48 until Sept. of '49. Except for the US, there was no country left in the world with such an over-abundance of food and Berlin might very well have ended up as just another crummy city in East Germany. Johannes knows what I meant with that "speaking Russian." He may not have been around back then, so I won't be too hard on him, although it shows again that German history can be rather spotty or convenient.
51. To all those who responded to #5
Johannes ,   Berlin, Germany   (09.14.07)
@ #34: 1. Well, what are you trying to say with your comments? Germany has no nuclear arsenal. However, we still have nukes from the U.S. army from cold war times here. They are under NATO command. 2. I did not say that Syria has no nukes. I said there is no proof. If you claim that a country has WMD and you want to take military action against it in order to strip it off its nuclear capacities you have to present a proof. 3. I strongly supported the first gulf war. However, when George W. went to war against Iraq a second time, Iraq did not pose a threat to any other country. Saddam Hussein did indeed suppress the Kurds; he ruled with a brutal and iron fist. Then again, may I remind you that the official reason for the war in Iraq was not the suppression of the Kurds but the claim that Iraq was threatening other countries with weapons of mass destruction? 4. I hate neither Israel nor the U.S. Nevertheless, I think the current government is turning the U.S. into a dangerous country. The current U.S. is not really the country that liberated us from the Nazis. I am not consumed with hate, however, reading all those very friendly comments about Germans here I am wondering who is hating here……. @ all other talkbackers who responded to #5 Despite blaming me for being anti-Semite, #34 at least provides some arguments. The rest of you guys is picking on the fact that I am German and is bullshitting around about “Eurabia” and me being fascist. If you don’t have any arguments, shut up! I am interested in exchanging opinions but not in cursing other people for their opinion. If you can’t discuss like civilised people just leave it.
52. #49, Stacie ... what have I confirmed?
sk ,   USA   (09.14.07)
Yes, Stacie dear, you are unsophisticated. Your stupid prejudice against Americans shows this fact very clearly, though your writing style and your views left no doubt from the start. I have no patience with ill-bred, under-educated snobs, wherever they hail from. Now why don't you read the book I cited in my last TB and then do a two-page report.
53. But Johannes (51), look how poorly you did with #34.
sk ,   USA   (09.14.07)
I think it's silly even to bother with you, but #34 assailed you with a series of devastating quips. And how did you respond? Poorly. For example, the fact that Germany has found no need to be a nuclear power is telling. Yes, Germany is under NATO. But you see, NATO only exists because the Soviet Union had already seized large parts of Europe. In other words, the USSR had already established that it was wildly expansionary. Israel, by contrast, has (probably) had nukes for decades, yet it has not taken Damascus yet. The only reason why Syria (or Iran) needs nukes is for offensive purposes. Furthermore, as we both know, Germany's history of totalitarianism has discouraged it from developing a nuclear weapons program. This unofficial understanding will only happen when a country really has no offensive ambitions. You see, you blabber about how the American people are so dangerous, and yet we can see the insincerity of your claim by the fact that Germany remains non-nuclear and depends on NATO, i.e. on the dangerous American people. I'd have no trouble elaborating for pages on your other "arguments." But you see, I consider your understanding to be typical of a narrow segment of self-identified "elite." It reflects a nearly complete intellectual vacuum.
54. To #52 the enlightened
Stacie ,   Canada   (09.14.07)
Go back and read your post #30. That was a pearl of intellectualism the likes I've never seen from even the most bigoted Zionists. Your self professed sophistication is of racist distinction.
55. Stacie #54: when in doubt, trot out racism.
sk ,   USA   (09.15.07)
"Go back and read your post #30. That was a pearl of intellectualism the likes I've never seen from even the most bigoted Zionists." Stacie, where have you established that your opinion about intellectualism has any weight? You may be capable of writing something more than a concatenation of banalities (doubtful), but you have not done so here. Anyway, this is rubbish. My opinion of Germans (really of the German elite, and mostly of the German infantile Left) is hardly extreme among Zionists; it's actually rather positive in comparison. "Your self professed sophistication is of racist distinction." Is that supposed to be English? When I have used the word "sophistication" it has been in comparison to you. Your lack of sophistication is shown, predictably, in your trotting out of "racism," the last rhetorical refuge of infantile Lefttists. "German" is hardly a race, and my pointing out that traveling Germans have common tendencies can therefore hardly count as racism (and wouldn't be racist if Germans were a race, as such tendencies are hardly genetic). It is ludicrous for you to cry about racism, though, when your stereotypes about Americans are obviously more negative than mine about Germans, and therefore, by your own standards, more "racist" than my own. But how can one expect expect logical consistency from a fur seal?
56. #54 STACIE - so you're educated?
Scott   (09.15.07)
I dont like the world with Bush and co. - but I know I'd hate it more with the kind of mentality you possess running the world. Sorry, there has to be some acceptance that the West's enemies do intend to do us harm - irrespective of what we may do or not do to them. They want to subjugate us.
57. MAHMOOD : ALL FULL OF HOT AIR (AS USUAL)
(09.15.07)
I like the bit about the "massive retaliatory strike" by Iran - if attacked. Look mate, denial and playing games here wont change the reality. Iran will be a smoking pile if ever a war breaks out.
58. To # 51
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (09.15.07)
Wuerde es Dich ueberraschen, dass ich urspruenglich vom Saargebiet bin, dass ich in Deutschland aufwachste, mich ueber die dortige Geschichte ziemlich gut auskenne, davon abgesehen, dass ich jede Woche von meinem Bruder ueber Euere Politik die Ohren voll bekomme? Aber sag’ mal, woher stammt denn Deine angebliche Kenntnis ueber diese “gefaehrlichen” Amerikaner? Translation: Would it surprise you that I’m originally from the Saar region, that I grew up in Germany, that I’m fairly familiar with its history, not to mention that I get an earful every week as respects your politics from my brother? But tell me, what’s the source of your supposed knowledge of these “dangerous” Americans? ==================== I don’t know what your political bent is and I really don’t care. Suffice it to say that your view of the world is just a little narrow, and that’s probably because you can afford it, knowing damn’ well, that those “dangerous Americans” would try and save your a—, if bad came to worse. As for your notions of Iraq and aside from the fact that someone else has answered some of those, already, when is the last time you talked to an American soldier who’s been over there not just once, but twice and who’s volunteered for a third stint, because, unlike our politicians who have agendas to push, he sees the good we’re doing over there, despite “imports” who have no compunction to kill their own at the behest of Iran, who has delusions of world dominance just like someone else we used to know. I’m sure you conveniently forget that we, these dangerous Americans, had to teach Germans what a democracy looks like. A working model certainly wasn’t something with which Germany was very familiar. And for crying out loud, don’t even mention the Weimar Republic. Nothing worked with that one or Hitler might never have happened. About us you don’t know diddly. You think we’re dangerous? You betcha! We’re not the Great Satan for nothing. Do you honestly expect everybody to just sit around and wait for proof of Iran’s nukes? Just in case you haven’t noticed, Iran is a lot closer to you than to us, and if Mahmoud should believe his own BS and bite off more than he can chew, you had best hope that the Great and Little Satan keep you from being part of that proof. You are, of course, entitled to your opinions, regardless of how asinine they may be.
59. #54
(09.15.07)
stacie...bigoted zionists???? that coming from a bigotted canadian? now you not only hate americans, but you hate jews as well? and please do not give me that crap that you don't hate jews, but only zionists! we jews can see through this veneer. there are no jews who aren't zionists in israel, in america nad in europe because most if not all jews love and identify with the jewish state of israel as can be seen by the enourmous support it gets from them spiritually, monetarily and via tourism. you are the racist and bigot stacie, none other. and yes, you are also extremely unsophisticated. take it from me, i know canadians. i lived there for years.
60. Johannes, Berlin, Germany
#34   (09.15.07)
Johannes--OK, you deserve a more civil reply, but you must understand that your original comment came off kind of anti-Israel and anti-US which is why you received the types of replies you received. My point in #1 was that while other countries possess nukes, Germany does not. So, not ALL countries pursue nuclear weapons technology just because others have it. Although, that probably has to do with the nazi era that Germany went through. However, I do concede your point has merit in that there are, no doubt, some countries who would pursue it if they had the resources. As far as the "no proof" of Syria developing them, you don't know that. Maybe the proof is just now in the early stages of being reported. While the current lack of information may not convict Syria, it doesn't exonerate them either. It's looking like we have to wait and see. As regards your points on the 2nd gulf war, OK--a lot of people are of that opinion. But, you make it sound like Saddam was a good guy and everyone wants him back. To say that he wasn't a danger to anyone..c'mon--he used WMD on the Kurds for pete's sakes. You criticize GW, but that nut job in Iran has more than once talked about wiping Israel of the map. The democratization of Iraq may not being going so well, but at least the US is trying. They did not approach it with the intent of wiping the country off the map. Do you see the difference? Do you really think that a regime like that of Iran should possess nukes? What if, say, Poland was vowing to wipe Germany off the map? Would you want them to have nuclear technology? There are enough risks when a stable, responsible country possess the technology. But, a country with a history of enabling worldwide terrorism and threatening to wipe a neighboring country off the map--do you not think that is a "dangerous" country? I'm sure the US does not want to democratize the entire ME, nor do they don't want to set it on fire. But, they don't want Iran to do it either. I realize that your post was motivated with some emotion. But, it came off as kind of an attack which is why others responded in kind.
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