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Deli selling pork torched in Safed
Hagai Einav
Published: 23.09.07, 15:53
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1. THE FIRE WAS NOT NECESSARILY A MIRACLE EITHER!
stude ham   (09.23.07)
Now... how does one cause a flood?
2. Setting fire to a kindergarten
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (09.23.07)
This is a much more despicable act than a fire at a pork store, why does YNet care more about the pork store than about the KINDERGARTEN? There is no evidence that the fire at the pork store was caused by arson. Accidental fires at delis and meat stores happen all the time when grease on a store catches on fire. Accidental fires at kindergartens are rare.
3. The filthy orthodox morons destroying Israel!
Nero ,   nyc   (09.23.07)
How can anyone live with these supstitious fanatics who believe is all kind of preposterous nonsense, and would be happy to see you dead for refusing to participate in their meshigass!!!! Israel is overrun by these roaches.
4. PORK in the Holy Land
Crazy   (09.23.07)
Why in the world are we selling PORK in the land that was given to us by G-D, who commanded us NOT to eat Pork? Is it NOT a smack in the face (so to speak), to the one who gave you this precious country in the first place?
5. No, "Sergei," it is not the same
Secular Jew ,   Israel   (09.23.07)
What if the reason for arson was non-Kosher meat, but the perpetrators weren't the ultra-religious? All of us, seculars included, are SICK of your passive-aggressive disrespect and disdain. It makes us miss the Palestinans who evacuated.
6. All decent Haredim
Paul ,   London England   (09.23.07)
"Religious residents of the city stressed that it was not necessarily haredim who had set the shop on fire. " Of course not.Only the most extreme criminals would welcome this. All decent Haredim will cooperate fully to ensure that the premises reopen as soon as possible.
7. fire
colin ,   israel   (09.23.07)
It was surely the datim who perpetrated this foul act.The secular must answer is the same way and set fire to one of the glatt kosher shops.Let them feel the financial loss from this absurb enforcement of the religion.
8. Arson is arson , and to "crazy" and kyle
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.23.07)
and should be punished harshly , Wathever the reason it can be that motivated it . Now "crazy" [ you choose the right name for you ] this land is ours now , not because of a god who gave it to the Jews , but thanks to the 6000 mostly seculars if not anti religious , who GAVE their LIFE for it . Kyle , when a shop is closed for more than 36 hours , do you think that a fire can break out so "spontaneously" ?
9. You know the Muslims are also against eating CHAZIR - pork.
Joseph P. ,   Jerusalem   (09.23.07)
And it could easily be some secular Jew who did it. Charles and the rest of you religious Jew haters, how about giving the Haredim the benefit of the doubt?
10. was set on fire? only to get their pork grilled?
(09.23.07)
11. Getting soft on Pals
Francois Aubry ,   momtreal   (09.23.07)
It took 8 talkbackers to blame the Palestinians. That's quite a lot for Ynet readers. Normally Palestinians get it with the first or second comment. What's going on here ??
12. I shed no tears- and I'm not ultra-Orthodox
FYI   (09.23.07)
If they want pork then let them go back to Russia.
13. Joseph P . Retract your words ! and apologise !
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.23.07)
Where did i accuse charidim or others to have set this deli on fire ? You are only one day after Yom Kippour , and you already began with lies . Shame on You .
14. It' NOT what goes into a man that makes him unclean, it's
the words that come ,   out of his mouth.   (09.23.07)
15. arson is arson--what about the KINDERGARTEN charles?
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (09.23.07)
"Kyle , when a shop is closed for more than 36 hours , do you think that a fire can break out so "spontaneously" ?" Yes, absolutely. Dripping grease can be ignited by a pilot light and this can happen especially if no one is tending the shop and the fire smolders for hours without being noticed. Now what about the KINDERGARTEN, charles?
16. #11: What's going on?
Secular not comatose ,   Israel   (09.23.07)
Pals have bigger meats to fry - they wouldn't bother with what was essentially a monument to anti-Judaism. There is a much more sinister enemy at play, and our government paid it to come here and live among us.
17. I always feel sick when I have to agree that Kyle ...
sk ,   USA   (09.23.07)
... has made a good point. But this is the day after Yom Kippur, and while I don't technically have to say anything nice about his output, I feel myself compelled to here. :-(
18. Porc in Safed
Hans ,   Markdorf, Germany   (09.23.07)
Anyone who believes in tora could and should have done that!
19. Kyle , read this article
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.23.07)
regarding the kindergarten . Now a shop that opened since 3 years has probably good secure electric installations . Have you seen already how they change a shop when renting a place here in Israel ? They change almost everything . If people sell pork here , it's because there is a demand , remember the 70 shops selling this stuff in Nethanya . And not only ex Russian immigrants buy it , others too . Many of those who buy it are also those who give their life for MY country , not as those you aIways defend so vigorously , the charidim . I told it already , this kind of stuff is not on my shopping list here .
20. Kyle , dripping grease ?
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.23.07)
and you think that they leave grease so openly that i can drip . Have you been already in a meat shop here ? Here everything has to be put in the refrigerator , certainly when you close for 36 or more hours .
21. the struggle for survival
yoni ,   jerusalem   (09.23.07)
some people will see things like this happen and say o man what religious idiots. what mindless zealots. the truth is that there is a struggle in our world today. the struggle is for the survival of the jewish people. if you havent noticed the nation is losing sight of our mission statement. we are forgetting the fact that we are the chosen people and that we're different. we may look the same on the outside but the struggle continues to keep our identity and realize the job of the jewish people. we are not the same. we will never be the same. no matter what we will fight until we win. winning is about survival however and whatever it takes. we will not assimilate and just go away. the jewish people are here to stay!
22. No 1, It probably was a miracle, this is the city of the Ari
S Judah ,   London   (09.23.07)
The Beit Yousef and many great Mekubalim
23. Kyle pt III
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.23.07)
There are maybe thousands of deli's here , kosher and non kosher . Never heard about an incident such as you describe , do you have references where i can find them ?. And it happened just to one selling pork . Curious not ? do you believe in this ? Everything is possible of course , but i have the greatest doubds about your scenario .
24. 3 Nero - Ah! the Roman Tyrant Speaks Again
S Judah ,   London   (09.23.07)
We got rid of you Roman murders and Tyrants long ago, you burnt our Temple, desecrated the Holy of Holies, butchered a million or more at Beter, forced us out of the Holy Land. And despite that we still didn't eat pork and we not you survived. So hop it , and go back to playing your fiddle whilest Rome burns.
25. I predict a snowball effect here.
Sagi ,   Israel   (09.23.07)
I hate to even think about it but this could get out of hand. Natanya a few weeks ago, the attempted take over of a district in Haifa by Breslav, now this in Zfat. Reprisals are a definte possibilty. I sincerely believe that pigs should not be bred in Israel, that pig meat should not be imported or made available through commercial outlets, but I also sincerely believe that violence and crimes such as arson should be punished with the utmost severity. The violence of the Haredim that they employ in order to impose their will on others is unacceptable and by and large goes unpunished. I am sorry that things have reached such a point, but if necessary Rabbis will also have to go to jail.
26. I am not religious,but pork has no place in Israel!
jason white ,   afula,israel   (09.23.07)
Let the pig farmers go back to the F.S.U. and pig out on swine.
27. CHARLES
working! ,   Jerusalem   (09.23.07)
Dear Charles- you seem to have quite a lot of time on your hands. I'm sure you feel very accomplished at your death bed recalling the thousands of talkbacks you've contributed to society thus making the world a better place. You do not have to answer these questions but- do you have a job or were you in dimonds like the other antwerpen Jews before it went down? P.s if your talkbacks are due to boredom, i can refer you to many good organizations touching many peoples lives. ( though i must admit most of them have been started by religious Jews)
28. #21--Yoni
moshe ,   jerusalem   (09.23.07)
quite right-reminds me of the saying: You can change your Moses but you can't change your noses!!
29. Sagi , sorry , there are no suspects yet
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.23.07)
In Nethanya it was not a charidi who is suspected , as far as is known . We can think that the hate that come from some "religious" leaders can eventually influence some people's behaviour , but no one has been accused yet . Regarding the sale of pork here , i can't agree with you . If people are good enough to defend our country , their culinair wishes at home have to be fulfilled too .
30. charles the Commisar of Talkback
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (09.23.07)
"Have you been already in a meat shop here ? Here everything has to be put in the refrigerator , certainly when you close for 36 or more hours ." And you make the assumption that the pork store workers are so diligent they obey every regulation? "Many of those who buy it are also those who give their life for MY country" Many of those who buy it are also those who spray swastikas all over and belong to neo-Nazi gangs. WHAT ABOUT THE KINDERGARTEN??? WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT PEOPLE WHO SET FIRE TO A KINDERGARTEN?
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