west of the Jordan? Let's consider some hard facts: The Arabs of Western Eretz Yisrael have consistently demonstrated that they are incapable of surviving unaided or ruling themselves, especially at the national polity level. They have never exercised their inherent right of self determination and now they expect others to determine and create that Mickey Mouse "state" which will never be. They constantly kill and steal from each other and lie to themselves, each other and the rest of the world. They never miss any opportunity to make atrocious choices and mistakes and they are incapable of sustaining and providing for themselves; they depend on others for everything. How on earth will they ever make it?

good actions. Pretty words and pieces of paper are meaningless. They have not stuck to even one agreement or fulfilled even the smallest requirement to be thought of as "partners" for anything. Everything they have done has been with an eye towards defeating any so-called "peace process."

A very long time ago, I was a true believer in peace for Israel; with the Palestinians having a state of their own. I figured the Palis & Israel would benefit by this arrangement (Pali State) & was hopeful that over time they'd become good trade partners. My sentiments are entirely different now. Now I don't believe Israel should give ANY land to the Palis (they should take back what's given). To the Palis, "Peace With Israel" means something entirely different from what we, in the West, understand it to be. To the Palis "Peace With Israel" means Israel wiped off the world map. My disillusionment began when Arafat walked away from the bargaining table set up by Pres. Clinton. Arafat had almost all that he said he wanted. Israel had made the major concessions. I couldn't understand the logic behind Arafat walking away. I started to study up on the Palestinians, using as many of THEIR sources as I could. Then came 9/11. I can still see the pictures, in my mind, of the Palestinians throwing a party when they heard about 9/11. They were celebrating in the streets and passing out sweets to the kids. I started to investigate Radical Islam because of the 9/11 attacks. I found out from reading their own sites that what they want is world domination. Radical Islam has used the Palestinian people as pawns. "Free Palestine" is something that keeps the Muslims from wondering too much about their own governments. "Free Palestine" is a campaign used by various Radical Islamic groups to keep the jihadists signing up. Radical Islam's world has no place for Israel nor any place for anyone who practices anything else but THEIR form of Islam. So now I believe a containment policy towards the Palis is what can be done. It would be best to wipe them out with military operations, but this will not be allowed. Watching events unfold since Arafat turned Clinton down has led me to believe that no matter what deal is struck with the Palis, they can't be trusted to keep their end of the deal. They have lied too often & broken agreements so negotiating with these people seems futile.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT ONLY TAKES ONE BAD APPLE TO RUIN THE REST THAT ARE IN THE BARREL, ALSO,ONE BAD APPLE DOESNT FALL FAR FROM THE REST OF THE BAD APPLES ON THE TREE .ANYWAY. BE WARY...ITS SHMITTA YEAR!

Mr Weissglas painted pretty pictures for us before disengagement. Everything he said proved to be wrong. Now he's doing it again. He was Sharon's lawyer when he had legal problems & lo & behold, we got disengagement. Is he now advising Olmert? Is this BS diplomatic initiative with the Palestinians another distraction for Olmert's legal problems? Mr Weissglas has zero credibility & should be ashamed to open his mouth - but, of course, he's a lawyer & has no shame.

Welcome to the real world. I supported coexistence once upon a time - until the real world intruded on my daydream. In any case, you hit the nail on the head - the real cause of the conflict is to be found in Islamic doctrine & their idea of peace does not include our existence.

He hasnt even changed thr Palastiniancharter calling for Israels destruction! Quit the lies!,,,,we have no peace partner. He hasnt disarmed any of his terrorist allies. He is demmanding everything and offering nothing! We need elections now to get rid of this stupid appeasing government!

I read your post, and I thought that this was one that was worth responding to my friend. Peace between Palestinian and Israeli’s is not an option, it is a necessity, and it is the only way out. Your option of wiping us out completely is not an option (and I hope you were not serious about this). Despite what you might read on Jihadi websites, and some western think tanks (which are not a good source to start with, and are very similar in their views by the way), there is no intention on behalf of the Palestinian people to wipe-out Israel. Yes, and I will not lie to you, radical Islam will not hesitate for a moment, but not because of Israel being a Jewish state, because the concept is that you should never let go of your rights, and accept defeat. You will be in a way a “sinner” by doing that, and that is true for all religions, including Judaism. The situation we are in (and have been in for the last sixty years) is caused by the matter of PERCEPTIONS. Israeli’s and Jews have no doubt in their heads that Israel is theirs, and anything they give us is a donation, or a compromise for the sake of peace. On the other hand, Palestinians, then Arabs in general, have no doubt in their heads that this was all theirs, and that they were robbed. And any compromise is a sign of weakness, and why should we accept it!! Regardless of what you might think of these conceptions, that is the reality of them, and we both narrate the history in the way that is suitable for us (as has humanity always done). Going back to the Palestinian society, traditionally, the Palestinian society was not a religious one; on the contrary, it has been mostly secular. This rise of Islam is new, and is a direct outcome of the first, second intifada, and the over all reality in the Middle East. In general, and regardless of where and who, people tend to lean towards religion in the times of crises. That rule holds in general, and we are no exception. The living conditions have been absolutely horrible within the West-Bank and Gaza and for such a long time. Daily military operations, restrictions, and horrible economic conditions have left a huge impact on the Palestinian society. The everyday near-death experiences have transformed the society in so many different ways (mostly negative). Religion has become the only refuge for people, and rightfully so. I don’t think any of you can begin to comprehend how bad it is, and I ask you truthfully if you would accept such living conditions for your self or your loved ones? It is abnormal and near impossible in any society for the majority to be radicals or ultra-orthodox. Despite what you might see from a distance, the percentage of ultra religious in the Palestinian society is similar to any other, albeit higher due to the horrible conditions. My point from all this is that we are living in insane times, and we are BOTH doing things that we will regret in the future, if we haven’t already. But there has to be a way out of all of this, and we all have a responsibility to cool off, and think straight. We Palestinians are not evil, bad people as the media, or the actions of some of us might indicate, or as some would like to think. This war is all about perceptions and mind-sets. And that is what realty needs to be changed, military terror, and terrorist terror are not the solution. A glimpse of hope will go a long way! My respects to you.

This guy was the lawyer of Sharon in his 'disegagement" deal with PA as well as the financial deals between Sharon, Faed, and several other honest Arabs. Remember the Sharon-Peres-Arafat-Faed casino in Jerico, as well as many other other joint wentures. The Gaza deals to build a paradise in the Middle East. All was done by these honest men and their lawyers.

Great post, ya Zalame! Shalum! Salam! Pace!

Actions speak louder than words. There are many ways to gauge true intentions one way is through active election. In the most recent Palestinian Election the Palestinian People elected Hamas to lead them. I recall Hamas's campaign was to destroy Israel. This was not a marginal platform nor was it a hidden agenda, the Palestinians that voted for Hamas where well aware they where voting for a leadership intent on the destruction Israel. This means that a majority of Palestinian People, to the contrary of your statement do want to wipe out Israel. There are many examples of a actual intention of the Palestinian People to destroy Israel that is based in actions as well as "perception" including the mass acceptance and celebration of Suicide Bombers. THe Palestinian People have made heroes of people who go out and murder random innocent people because they happen to live in Israel. The Palestinian People have created Billboards and named schools and and streets after these suicide bombers. The Palestinians People teach their children at home, at school, on television on mass levels that Killing Jews is the highest ideal to strive for.. Strapping on bombs to kill random people and mass support for this is not a natural phenomina it is a well developed plan that has entered all walks of Palestinian society and enjoys mass supports. This is also an important gauge on Palestinian intention to destroy Israel. The Palestinian People have had many opportunities to show that their intention was other than the destruction of Israel. In 1947 the UN Partitian Plan was accepted by the Jews but was denied by the Arabs and the Arab Armies attacked the Jews. Between 1947 to 1967 The "Occupied Territories" where controlled by the Arabs yet there was constant terrorist attacks and no one was calling for a Palestinian State only for the Destruction of Israel. In 1967 and 1973 The Arabs tried to Destroy Israel. From 1967 until 2000The Palestinian people enjoyed a higher standard of living than a majority of their Arab brothers in Arab countries yet Terrorist activity continued. In 2000 The Palestinian People where offered 97% of the land they asked for and instead of negotiating began the second intifada. On the contrary to The Palestinian Peoples actions the Israeli People have continued "Show" their true intenion which has never been to wipe out the Palestinian People. While the Israeli People beleive the territory in dispute is theirs and have a much stronger claim to the land where again willing to offer it for peace in 2000. In 2003 The Israeli people expelled its own people out of Gaza and left Gaza. The Palestinian people answered this call by electing Hamas to destroy Israel and began bombarding Israel with rockets since then. THe Israeli people have shown actions of peace. The reality is that the Palestinian people have always cared more about destroying Israel more than creating an independant State. This is not just Perception but shown by action. There was no occupation between 1947 to 1967 yet your people continued to try to destroy Israel so the reasoning of living under occupation is a farse. What is also a farse is the Palestinian People are Arabs that have only recently called themselves Palestinian for a political advantage. An Arab living inthe area would be insulted to call himself Palestinian before the 1960's. The Jews used the Palestinian name before reclaiming the name of Israel. Arabs have 22 independant countries with vast areas of land and natural resources. The Jews only have Israel and have always had Israel yet even after countless offers of sharing the land Arabs have continued to show their true intent the destruction of Israel.

1. Hamas ran on an anti-Fatah basis, Israel was not part of the election campaign. People voted for them based upon their so-called anti-corruption stance. Although I don’t support violence, and I am not their supporter, I think that if Israel, Arabs, and the international community had the wisdom to deal with situation and the election results with brains instead of with brainless actions, we would ALL be in a better situation now. The mentality at the time of the election was different than now. If a second vote took place now, the situation will be quite different. 2. Suicide bombers have lost a lot of support throughout the Palestinian community, and the Arab world in general. The phenomenon started (and was sustained) because of the sense of grievance and need for revenge by a battered and heavily hit population. That’s why it is supported, just look at this website and see when Palestinians die how many of your friends start celebrating! Anger and revenge are the driving forces. That being said, it has been a tactical and moral mistake, yet if your damn army was not so violent, it would have been defused a long time ago. 3. Back to the points of perceptions again, the people killed by your side and named terrorists, are on our side someone’s kid, brother, sister, friend, or loved one. Off course they are going to be glorified. That is natural human response. 4. We don’t need to teach our children anything, the shit they see everyday is enough to teach them, even if hamas broadcasts crap, the reality on the ground is the real school here. Come live here for a week and see … 5. As for 1947, and the1947-1967-1973: the Matter of Perceptions again: if these were two neighboring states, then you are right. But Israel was created on what we perceived as ours. Would you have accepted that at that moment? Of course Arabs would be angry, and of course they would not accept the partition, would you? 6. Arafat should have accepted the deal in 2000, I agree with you on that. 7. As for leaving Gaza…. Let’s not talk about the settlement ok! I could go on, but I don’t want to go and engage in the same old debates about who was here first, and who is more “rightful”, and who is more violent. We have heard enough of that, and look where we are now. We are not stuck in a situation that is heading no where. You put more pressure on us, and we become more violent, then you become more violent, then we become violent and it goes on. I want that to stop, don’t you? I understand your frustration because I am equally frustrated by my side and yours. So what if the peace deal did not work in 2000, we could have tried again in 2001, 2002, 2005, and 2007? Instead the blaming and finger pointing started and never ended. Blaming is easy because it relives everyone from responsibility. And it has become a very bad habit on BOTH SIDES... Israel is here to stay, we know that, and Palestinians are here to stay also, there is no escape of that. The remaining sane people on both sides should get together and talk, forget about the lunatics, they lead to no where!

I must admit you clarify the reality in a very impressive manner. But, both of us know, that people like you are singles. I have been resisting to the occupation since the day I understood the existing hostility, however you forget a very simple item in your community and nationality: The regular arabic preception has been based on black or white only!!!, no compromises, no matter the what the consequences. The bottom line is: if You are ready to accept the fact that the state of Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people?, because if your answer is: no, why should we discuss at the first place?, I'm sorry, you can't eat all the cake. Anyway, I enjoyed reading your comment.

I've ever read. Could you please comment about my Post #1 and the following observations which are my peceptions that I consider to be indisputable facts. The Arabs of the Land of Israel consistently demonstrate that they don't want, can't make and won't maintain real peace. They do want, however, to weaken Israel by gaining territory without 'giving' anything tangible. They ignore that "possession is nine tenths of the law" and that it's rather the Arabs who should come forward and spell out what they offer Israel in return for what they want. They also pretend not to get it that in this case "land for peace" is both immoral and unworkable. The Arabs had used the 'territories' to threaten, pester and attack Israel before we took these territories in self defence. They continue to plan, prepare and perpetrate genocide against Israel and pretend not to see that it would be suicidal for Israel to concede anything in response to their threats and aggressive action. The Arabs must realize that the only way toward peace is that rather they themselves should offer, accept and be convincingly satisfied with 'painful' territorial compromises.

He was the idol of the left in Israel. Friend of many journalists, peace lover. He did not belong to the Islamist party in Israel (he is Christian). He did not belong to the Communist party in Israel. These parties want to remove or kill Jews. Now is suddenly a friend of Hizbullah, his party supports him, and he will be more than happy if Hizbullah kill all Jews. remember that he is more liberal than Abbas, and has more respect for Jews than Abbas.

T.I Again, it is a matter of perceptions. This friend is the wrong phrase for the question, and it is near impossible for Palestinians to answer with “yes”. Why you might ask? Because once I answer it with yes, then we automatically denied our selves any claims and rights, our refugees will have no rights, and the whole conflict is for nothing. Think about it the other way around, what if I ask you if you agree that this was originally Palestinian land that was taken by force, do you think any Israeli will say yes? The correct question to ask, is will you Palestinians accept us as a state and neighbor living together in peace? (Without to much reference to history and who was here first) , the answer to that is an easy YES. As for me being alone, that is not that accurate. There are a lot of Palestinians who think this way, but unfortunately our society is at a historic low right now due to the horrible situations and years of conflict. As for the black and white issue, it all relates to culture, education, and strength of religious beliefs. Yes I know some aspects of Arab culture are bad, but doesn’t every culture have its bad sides? UZI, I will respond to you later my friend, I just ran out of time here…..

Remember well Abdel, before the intifada--your lives were rich, safe and thriving. There was free access between you & Israel. Your people had the highest standard of living, education, employment & life expectancy over any other arab country because Israel built schools, hospitals and showed you the way to build a peaceful & prosperous life. Israel even gave your police rifles and taught them how to run law & order communities. Be very honest , now...these are not behaviors of cruel, hateful, violent people who are interested in occupation and terror. On the contrary--Israel would never have took such a ridiculous chance of potential national suicide by bringing her own sworn enemies (check the fatah & hamas charters) into her own backyard if she were not absolutely, 100% committed to living with you in peace, harmony, respect & prosperity. Who would have behaved so generously to her enemy? Your own arab brothers have never helped you and they are drowning in petro-dollars. They don't even share their wealth with their own people. Is this not true Abdel? You know why you are in this hellish state now? ARAFAT--he could not be remembered as the only arab to make peace with the zionist entity. & abandon the arab plan for total destruction of the Zionists and claim Israeli land. And again, if arafat makes peace the aid $$ taps are turned off and he can't steal your money. He would have to run a state--something he never intended on doing. Ask your elders how good life was back then with the Israelis--living like neighbors & friends--benefitting from each other.. How they wish they lived , even now, under the "occupation". When Israel tries to annex land, the Israeli arabs screamed and protested that their land should NOT fall under palestinian rule and instead sold their land rather than be on your side of the fence. You must only deal in true facts. Remember, your leaders are corrupt and will keep you in a perpetual state of war & terror so they can continue to steal from you forever.. All the while blaming the evil Zionists for your terrible plight. Remember back then--Israel gave you, taught you & employed you and there was peace & prosperity. Arafat lied to all of you--and your leaders continue to perpetuate this great lie. The truth shall set you all free. Don't let hatred and propoganda continue to steal your lives and dreams. Israel is NOT your enemy---your leaders are.

There are days when I agree with Christy and Terry. Its very hard to believe that there is a future for peaceful coexistence in this land. But you are right: peace is not an option - it is a necessity. We must keep trying. There are legitimate beefs on both sides - violence, killing, expulsion, poverty, imprisonment. But I hope the voices of reason always prevail. Please encourage other Palestinians to SPEAK OUT LOUDLY FOR PEACE WITH US. We need to hear more Palestinians talk like you do. Thanks again for your post.

Please email me if you'd like.

We can't change the past, but the core different among us is that the goal of your people is to drive the jews into the sea. The vast majority of my people definitely wants a peace with your people. The "refugees" are the result of your aggressive policy, you created it not us, you and I know very well how other nation would deal with you don't we?, your leaders ably succeed manipulating the worldwide media that the arabs are the victims not the aggressors. If the palestinians refugees are deserved to get compensations, what about the jewish property in the arabic countries?, many jews were displaced and their property had been taken from them. You wright every culture has it's own disadvantages, but, in our conflict, we can never reach about every kind of understandings as long as your people continue to think like that. You and me are knowing very well, it won't be a peace in our generation because various reasons, another reason is that your society is an integral part of the radical islam network. The conflict isn't only between us is also between cultures,values, etc.

Dear Brooke, You are right in regards to the prosperity and life before the first intifada. But my friend, prosperity and economic stability, as important as they are not enough. What was my nationality then? I was not an Israeli because Israel would like to keep its Jewish majority, and we could not raise our own flag because it was simply illegal. There was also the issue of (LAM-AL-SHAMEL) = Family reunions, so if my brother fled in 1967, he would never be able to come back, because no additons to the population in the West-Bank were allowed, we are talking about large numbers of people here. Yes and I agree with you, that it was a period when jews and arabs proved they can work together good and live together good. Yet, it was extremist again who ruined it. How the did the first intifada start? Some Israeli ran over 8 Palestinian workers somewhere, and all hell broke loose…. I’m not going to lie to you and say we are angels, and you are bad. We made a lot of mistakes, but truth to be told is that we are under the rule of gun (yours) constantly, and that is not good in any way. I understand the whole issue about Israel defending itself against violence, but the current situation is simply madness. It is simple equation to me: if you put people in extremely harsh conditions, with daily violence for a long period of time, something really changes, and I mean in a negative way. Think about and think about where violence and crime world wide comes from, from the fancy neighborhoods or from the run-down miserable slums? I’m not trying to throw the blame on your side that is really pointless. My point is the peace program should never stop, even in the toughest of times. For the sake of both our people. My respects,

My friend, the reason why there is not enough Palestinians speaking out is because there is 1-No rule of law. When you say we want peace you get shouted out, insulted, but your state and police provide you protection. In our case, if we do that, there is no state, and there is no protection for anyone, and this is a big problem since we live in times of insanity. 2- Another cause is that nearly every Palestinian has personal tragedies, whether dead or injured sons, stories about times when they were under curfew for ages, unemployment, travel restrictions, waiting hours daily on the roadblock ….. We have taken the weight of this conflict. It is easier for someone who does not have a personal tragedy to talk about peace, vs. someone who’s 2 brothers died and his house has been demolished. Again I’m not trying to blame here, but I’m just trying to clarify. 3-This relates to the Palestinian society currently, due to the situation most of the educated, creative generation is in Dubai or any other gulf state, because life here is unbearable. Sadly, the society in the west bank not to mention gaza is very fragmented, and in a really bad shape and on so many different levels, not to mention the tendency towards religion wish I mentioned earlier that makes people see life in a black and white outlook, this outlook does not allow for compromise. It is a very complex situation that needs a clear understanding of the reality, and some creative thinking on both sides. We are treading on very fine-lines and sensitivities. Trust me, brute military force will only make it worse.

I understand your frustration; it is a very frustrating situation for all, if you think we are happy living in these awful conditions, you are mistaken. The problem is without centralized, strong leadership with a police force, there is no rule of law. And that was why Gaza was a failure, too much street level –leaders. In the case of properly negotiated peace deal, a Palestinian central leadership-force should take over. That will provide rule of law and protection for its residents, so once some idiot fires a rocket at you after that peace - and in our name. We the people who are tired of all this can stand up and say NO, because we have the state to protect us, and help us. In the current condition as in Gaza, who would dare? Peace in the WB and Gaza is in your interest as much as it is in ours. The alternative is to wait it out, and “contain” the situation which is what has been the policy until now, and has proven to fail miserably. I’m not painting rosy pictures here; I think I understand my side really well. It is going to be hard, and it will require some internal confrontations on our side (and yours I guess), the historic perceptions I talked about earlier will never be changed because that simply is an irreversible situation, but a better reality on the ground will definitely help. What can we offer you ask? We can offer an end of hostility, and some real generation-spanning hard-work to change the mindsets so that this issue will be sealed for good. There will be bumps along the road, but anything will be better than the current conditions.

1) While Hamas ran on an anti-corruption/anti-Fatah basis it is disingenuous to say that Israel was not part of the election equation. As you well know the importance of how our leaders deal with each other and the conflict impact our lives substantially. So i say again Your People knew very well that Hamas stands for the destruction of Israel. By voting for Hamas your people voted for the same. I think the brainless actions where committed by your people by voting for this terrorist group to lead you and not thinking of the consequenses or not caring of the consequenses of having these leaders. 2) Suicide bombers are losing steam because Israel is effectively stopping them. Many people have suffered throughout history have legitimate grievances but do not teach their children to become suicide bombers this is a death cult phnomenon and cannot be justified. 3) There is a huge difference between Palestinians intentionally seeking to kill random Israelis and Israelis defending themselves, trying to stop these terrorists and inadvertantly killing random Palestinian. The Difference is intention and I strongly disagree that their deaths should be glorified or that it is a natural human respnse. 4) Your children where not born suicide bombers you taught them that. 5) You asked if we were in the Arabs situation would be have accepted the partition the answer is yes of course we did accept partition and we beleived it was all ours. Your problem as well as your peoples problem is that you dont understand that feel just as strongly that Israel was created on our land and the Arabs are the intruders yet we are willing to comprimise. It seems that you don't get this. I could go through many many points of our claim being stronger than your claim in history, legally, morally, and in reality but Im not trying to change your belief but willing to work with you to live together. Your People have not wanted to work with us one inch and that is why you are in your situation. 6) Arafat should never have been able to return to the territories. 7) As soon as we left Gaza your people started firing rockets. How could we ever trust your people to do anything but continue trying to kill my people. Your people continue to lack any judgement. Please think about this. . . If the Arabs would lay down their weapons today there would be no more war, If the Israelis would lay down their weapons today their would be no more Israel. We fight to defend ourselves you fight to destroy us. You use slogans defending your rights, right of return, resisting occupation but they all mean the same destruction fo Israel. We are not going anyware deal with it and open your mind.

I grant your eloquence, though, and the effectiveness of that "my friend" business. It plays well with many Jews and non-Evangelical Christians, I'm sure. First, given high birth rates in "Palestinian" society, and the fact that we KNOW what the "Palestinian" educational system has been since 'fat, Rabin, and Peres brought us Oslo, by now I expect a majority of "Palestinian" society has been taught an understanding of Jews fully consistent with Mein Kampf and the Koran ("pigs and monkeys"). This doesn't even take into account what was there before. Second, as an objective fact, not a "perception," those who have been educated during Oslo are in fact behaving now just as Islamic jihadis always have behaved. Third, those despotisms which are your most important source of funding and protection are 100% jihadist (Arabia & Iran). Their agenda is jihadist even if your personal one were not (but again, I think it is). They are not funding and protecting you to get peace with Jooos, and you know it. Fourth, the whole "perception" business is a red herring. Yes, I guess a delusional woman does "perceive" things one way. But that doesn't make her perceptions accurate. And the "perceptions" of the "Palestinians" are a pack of falsehoods regardless of whether they are sincerely believed. Fifth, your account requires us to ignore the actual history of Islamic jihad, which is fully in keeping with the principles expounded in the Koran, Sira, and Hadith. Israel as a Jewish state is an abomination to you because the land was once part of the House of Submission (Islam). Even though, of course, Muslims seized other peoples' lands and subjugated, enslaved, murdered, or converted the inhabitants, Muslims somehow believe that the lands they conquered are theirs forever. My own view is that Islam must be treated as a totalitarian ideology rooted in anti-Semitism. It is probably unreformable, in which case Muslims must be converted or expelled. Or they can pay the jizya "and feel themselves subdued." This toxic ideology must be first contained and then rolled back, all the way to Arabia.

but the Ynet censor has already cut one of my replies to you. I just wanted you to know that I am aware of the exhortation to Muslims that they should lie to advance jihad.

This conflict is probably the most complicated worldwide, and although small in scale and location, it is dividing and causing more damage than anything else, religion is only one part of the bigger issue, and to blame it all on Islam is very convenient because it relieves your side from any responsibility or wrong doing, which is not the case. As for Islam itself, I agree with you especially on the history of the Islamic states, and the whole spreading religion by the sword thing. But, all the three “great “religions contain elements and statements that could be used as the bases for the submission of other non-believers, need we talk about the history of Christianity? This religion issue is a bigger one, much bigger than this conflict, and my comments from earlier on how the conflict and accompanying conditions is effectively increasing the religious tendency within the WB and Gaza are true, and I see it every day around me. And it is true to other cultures and religions two. When people see death everyday, they find refuge in religion. Defusing the conditions that encourage religious extremism is beneficial for all parties. Would you at least agree on that? As for me saying my friend, I say it in Arabic (Ya-sahbi) a lot, I was merely translating here. And I mean by it hear to set the tone of the discussion, as I don’t wish to engage in a finger pointing, name calling competition as goes on here all the time. And no, I am not trying to lure Jews and Christians as part of jihad as you say, I believe and mean every word I say, and I aim at showing a different perspective, and engage in a discussion only, instead of the usual garbage posted from both sides over here. My respects to you,

Thank you for your response. However, I see you did not address the most important part of my email that explains the REAL REASON there cannot be peace with Israel. Your leaders are corrupt, steal your aid money and are more interested in destroying the zionist entity--descendants of apes & pigs--then giving you a state, security, education, homes & hope. I would love to hear what you think about this. As for your like-minded people--you must organize and fight from within. If you have people who are willing to be suicide bombers against Israel--then surely you can find brave people who are willing to fight & die for a free and prosperous palestine. That has always been the way in history--a revolution from within, started by a few brave men & women. Israel would absolutely help you. It is entriely up to you--if you want to live in peace and truly show this through your behaviour --Israel will grab your hand and instantly your lives will improve. As I said, she has already done so. It is now your turn to prove it. Let me know about your views of your leaders and where all your money has gone. Thank you.

You answered in my post that the intifada started because 8 palestinians were killled.Your gov't lies, distorts and makes very bad videos where "dead" people, fall & then rise up and run away. Where there is a shooting and 1 second later the ambulance appears. Where a landmine blows up on your beach and you blame Israel--who was not the cause. Your propganda is killing your people, as are your own leaders.Arafat conjured up a story so as not to be critisized for not accepting the camp david accords where Barak gave him 97% of everything you asked for. I have already stated why your corrupt leaders cannot allow for peace because they cannot then steal the aid money and they would actually have to govern, which they obviously are utterly incapable of doing, as Gaza proves. The Mohammed Al Dura tapes will be proven a forgery as was the "Jenin Massacres"> When you all wake up and realize you are being used, and are totally expendable by your leaders, you can then change your lives. Look how Israel continues to give you more & more. Do you believe there is any country on the face of the earth that would have allowed 7 years of deadly rocket fire on her people and not retaliated with such ferocity that this could never happen again.? Any other country would then have annexed the land and finish, total submision.. Nio instead, Israel gave you the land with nothing in return. Your leaders will not even say Israel has a right to exist. She continues to offer you against the wishes of her electorate and against the security of her people. To the point that this Israeli gov't will never be re-elected and if most Israeli people could have their way, would dissolve today. And yet she continues to give & give and you continue to rocket, terrorize and send pregnant women with suicide belts to attack the civillians. We agreed to a cease-fire & hamas could not abide by it even for 1 day. It is now time for your people to try true and honest peace. Unfortunately your leaders hatred and indoctrination from birth makes this impossible task. As I stated before, it is up to you like minded people to revolt from within. Convince the suicide bombers to attack your leaders and then maybe there will be peace--now that is a cause worth dying for. No?