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Holland targeted in Israel's defense
Yaakov Lappin
Published: 01.10.07, 20:48
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1. There is no need to do anything...
Matt ,   Israel   (10.01.07)
...except sit back and watch while Europe is subsumed under a tide of muslims. Eurabia is coming.
2. Veteran Dutch Journalist
(10.01.07)
Conny Mus shows his bias when he refers to Palestinians as being killed, but Israelis as "living in fear of terror." First of all, the majority of Palestinians killed are combatants, but if Israelis are living in terror it's because they're actually being killed as well. They're not just "fearing" they will be.
3. Its about time someone ....
Ahmad Weinfeld ,   NY   (10.01.07)
Wow !! this is probably the first effective approach to be proposed in Israel history to combat the media bias !! To bad he is a righty and pro settler though, which now makes his theory is worthless; right?
4. I am Dutch and I love Israel
Jacobus De Boer ,   Oranje Boven, NL   (10.01.07)
There is some truth to what is being said here. Much of the media reporting in the netherlands is biased. But It does not seem to be as bad as the bbc yet. Considering that I am not jewish, Id like to know how connie at rtl would accuse me for saying there is a basis for Mr. Gerstenfelds statements. As for somalis...I lived with 4 somalis and an arab in holland for over a year. And they all lied on their welfare payment paperwork(they all recieved welfare) We would all walk past a synagogue together and they would spit and mumble curses against the jews. BUT THERE ARENT ANY LEFT IN TOWN!!! And even though these moslem immigrants knew jews had been killed tortured jailed deported etc they still felt the urge to hate long gone jews. On that day I chose which side I would be on. I chose to stand with Israel. There are many of my countrymen that have been cowed so they will not stand up for Israel. It may be because they feel that speaking out wouldnt be "tolerant" They may fear their newly arrived "neighbors" The most likely though is they fear "problems" arising from saying what everyone knows is reality, but the people in power dont want to face up to
5. Conny Mus
charles ,   petach tikva   (10.01.07)
Yes , even when you try to report correctly , you can change the meaning of the whole story , and this by your vocabulary . If you say freedom fighters instead of terrorists , colonists or settlers of the west bank , instead of Jewish inhabitants of Judea Samaria , you can influence your audience .
6. This guy is a genius
alun ,   london uk   (10.01.07)
a point I make it was a moral imperative for the US and the UK to occupy Nazi Germany during World War 2 and it is a moral imperative for Israel to occupy Nazi anti semitic Palestine In reply to the foreign correspondent it is right to shoot the messenger when the messenger spews propoganda and indulges in news management and not unbiased news
7. WE tell the world
israeli ,   israel   (10.01.07)
who the Palestinians really are, but the world don't listen; the world is busy hating us, and the world hates us because it don't and can't understand how we are still alive and thriving after everthing it has been throwing our way: the Holocaust, the pogroms in the Ukraine, the Inquisition, the blood libels, the Romans, the Babylonians, and so many more.
8. Winston Churchill's Strategy
Ariel ,   London   (10.01.07)
Winston Churchill once said that "The truth is so valuable, it must be protected by a body guard of lies!" I am not sure I would advocate lies as strategy, but it is certainly true that Israel does not have nor care for a offensive/defensive media strategy. Perhaps it is time to think again.
9. #1: Bad idea.
Ariel ,   London   (10.01.07)
What you would then have is a European Iran with nuclear weapons!
10. #2:
Ariel ,   London   (10.01.07)
Very well said.
11. Challenging the "moral posturing" of Israel's accusers
Raymond from DC ,   Washington, DC USA   (10.01.07)
Gerstenfeld's "Bad News" project is just the sort of "outside the box" work that's been missing in Israel's response to its accusers. It may be coincidental that Gerstenfeld hails from the Netherlands, but there's a certain irony here. I mean, who could think ill of the Dutch? Yet this is what goes on there; they have warts too. How much more so the other nations of the world who demonize Israel. Mus, typical of the "civilized" Europeans, clearly doesn't get it.
12. Jacobus De Boer :-)
STEPHANE ,   FRANCE   (10.01.07)
in the name of my people ( i'm jew ), i want to tell you that you chose the good side, and i want to thank you for your support. best regards.
13. can someone link me to the hebrew version of this article?
(10.01.07)
14. #3
Ariel ,   London   (10.01.07)
That's what Conny Mus thinks. By labeling him a Right wing pro settler, he has used that very clever journalistic below the belt subliminal punch to undermine his arguments, thus shooting the messenger.
15. # 3 oh yeah?
Ivri   (10.01.07)
and the brilliant ideas of jews adrift ( lefties without borders) are to be taken seriously?
16. What's the address to the blog?
Martin ,   Sweden   (10.01.07)
Sounds like a great blog, what's the address though? Ynet should put up a link.
17. Dutch and foreign press lies
Grinberg Michel ,   Paris- France   (10.01.07)
What does it means, Mr Mus : "Gerstenfeld is right-wing and close to the settlers ? " Is it a sin ? You never take into consideration a big part of the Israeli opinion which is denied access to the Israeli and foreign medias. You are much more biased, as is Enderlin from France2, than Gerstenfeld could be.
18. YES YES YES! O GOD YES!
sk ,   USA   (10.01.07)
19. Journalist shows bias by referring to Arabs as Palestinians.
Joe ,   Los Angeles, CA   (10.01.07)
20. actually those that say Israel and Holland are under attack
jack bauer ,   AU   (10.01.07)
by the same islamofascist invaders....they end up dead at the hands of those very islamofascists. And their own tax money was spent to help bring the invader to their doorstep. pim and theo are already murdered. the others shut up or ran away
21. The media are not merely "the messenger" ...
sk ,   USA   (10.01.07)
they are part of war itself. This is what happens when the media become thoroughly politicized, as Conny the con-man knows very well.
22. What about those Balkan Murdersin whichHolland was complicit
Alan ,   SA   (10.01.07)
23. Why the rpesscard of Conny Mus should be withdrawn
manfred Gerstenfeld ,   jerusalem,Israel   (10.01.07)
Like on previous occasions Conny Mus focuses on false personal attacks, rather than contesting the facts I quote. When the biased reproter Conny Mus had a long TV interview for the Dutch RTL television in April 2007 with Hamas Prime MInster Ismail Haniyah he did not ask him the most relevant question: "what about killing all the Jews as stated in article 7 of the Hamas Charter." More details about this and other aspects of the Bad News from the Netherlands project can be found on the website of FrontPage magazine in Jamy Glazow's lengthy interview with me of August 10. Manfred Gerstenfeld
24. Posters&Muslims, read this about Srebrenitsa and Netherlands
Alan ,   SA   (10.01.07)
"It is a stark irony that the country where the verdict was decided, the Netherlands, was responsible for the protection of Bosnians in Srebrenica, which was declared a safe haven by the UN. Not only did the Netherlands fail to protect those Bosnian men and boys on that faithful night in July 1995, the Dutch government rewarded the soldiers that handed Bosnians to Serbian “commanders” without firing a shot with medals of honor just a few months ago."
25. Muslims dont make same fuss as Sabra&Shat bcos WHITE MUSLIMS
Alan SA   (10.01.07)
26. dr manfred gerstenfeld
milton ,   chicago   (10.02.07)
he is perfectly right.i have been practicing this for years.and to good effect. conny mus comes across as quite insufferable.
27. then MUS is a large part of the problem
Brooke   (10.02.07)
and thwarts a real solution. Just today alone we hear the "palis" set up the Nativity siege in Bethlehem in 2002 and of course the Al Dura tape is now a fake. This is how every story coming from them must be viewed---remember the Jenin massacres? They are liars and the BBC & CBC are anti-semetic and thus so is their news spin. Start playing the truth game and show your enemies for who they are---blook thirsty animals who will never abide a 'peace" accords and will only rest after Israel's annihilation---no matter how many times the gov't lies and spins. Time for this new approach ---NOW
28. conny mus
halevy ,   london   (10.02.07)
conny your selfcongratulatory remarks sicken me.and i find you distasteful in the extreme.
29. manfred gerstenfeld
james ,   london   (10.02.07)
you are completely right and i hope you spread the message.defense is silly against people who hate you for who you are.you simply cannot explain yourself to them.they hate you.thanks for the work.
30. #23: Manfred
Ariel ,   London   (10.02.07)
1st thing, give us a link your your bog. 2nd, For the kind of media strategy you advocate, I am sure you understand that the Israeli Govt can not be seen to be deliberately smearing another country. My suggestion would be to take your message to private financiers who would be able to sponsor these types of operations.
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