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Holland targeted in Israel's defense
Yaakov Lappin
Published: 01.10.07, 20:48
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31. At last someone came up with a brilliant idea
Carlos Murphy ,   Red Hill   (10.02.07)
I love the shooting below the belt part. Do unto others as they would do unto you.,but make sure you get in first. An eye for an eye,a tooth for a tooth. I love the Old Testament. Dr.Manfred Gerstenfeld you are proof that some Israelis still have their chutzpah.And their Cojones in the right place.Cheers and good luck mate.
32. Dutch and Israel
Danny ,   USA   (10.02.07)
Thank you Jacobus for your kind words towards Israel. There is still dignity on the Dutch people. If the "politically correct thing" is lambasting Israel, you are an honest man in the midst of villains.
33. Mus is an EXTREME leftist fanatic - Israel can do NO right!
leon ,   Marsailles   (10.02.07)
34. MUS ALWAYS SHOOTS BELOW THE BELT; AGAINST ISRAEL; OF COURSE
Jorge ,   Tegucigalpa   (10.02.07)
To discredit Gerstenfeld, he calls him settler and right winger, Mus wants to discredit him at any cost because he knows he is telling the truth, and his aproach works, foreign press to be balanced, should cover the horrific tragedy of Darfur with as much "passion" as this conflict, but then, the poor non muslim population beign butchered, raped, and starved by Muslims do not have oil, then their story is not considered "stategic"
35. Holland Targeted
Gidon ,   Canada   (10.02.07)
Gerstenfeld is absolutely right! Why is Israeli P.R. so focused in fumbling defensive tactics when it can easily counter any criticism by putting a mirror up to its critics?
36. Honest reporting, Mr. Mus?
Franco ,   Roma, Italia   (10.02.07)
In the beginning of the 2nd intifada, two IDF reservists who had mistaken the road were brutally lynched in Ramallah by the Palestinian mob. An Italian crew of journalists and cameramen, working for a private TV channel, was on the spot and filmed the entire revolving scene. When the videotape was aired, the Italian correspondent of RAI (the state-owned channel, comparable to British BBC) felt that he had to write a letter of apology to Arafat, declaring strongly and loudly that RAI had nothing to do with the matter, and that he and his RAI colleagues will gladly continue to adhere the “rules of coverage” dictated by the Palestine National Authority. This was not only not professional, but also put in imminent danger the reporter of the private channel, whom their Company had to immediately recall to Italy. No comment… In another article this very same day in ynetnews.com, is reported that the videotape of the killing of little Mohamed Al Durra was probably and purposely staged. France2, who owns the tape, never aired anything else than a 59 seconds footage out of a whole of 26 minutes, and the tape will be released only now, at a distance of seven years from the facts, and only under Court’s order. No comment…
37. Need to do same at Norway
Elly ,   Vienna, Austria   (10.02.07)
We need to go after Norway now.
38. Holland targeted in Israel's defense
helene wajcman ,   liege belgium   (10.02.07)
10 cheers to Gerstenfeld. Over 2000 years of failed Jewish PR. ; a move in the right direction!
39. The tribe of DAN ceases to be a tribe in heaven because...
Rivkah   (10.02.07)
when the ancient Israelites were in captivity in Assyria, they escaped when the Assyrian army attacked Judah (tribes of Levi, Benjamin, and Judah). The ten tribes went over the Caucasas mountains and became known as teh Caucasians. The Tribe of Dan settled in places with the name of Dan as evidence of that: the DANube River, for example. I believe the tribe of Dan loses its status as a tribe because the people of Dan became evil, especially toward the Jews. Holland and the Dutch that the Germans say is Deutch as in the same ancestry of Germans, may be of the tribe of Dan. Revelation lists the tribes that are still honored as tribes in the heavenlly Jerusalem. Dan is excluded. There is no longer a tribe of Dan when the Messiah comes. God has weighed and measured those people and found them wanting.
40. Mus, chmus ...
Reschofsky Gerard ,   Jerusalem   (10.02.07)
According to Mus, M. Gerstenfeld is a "self-made media analyst". And what about all Mus'colleagues, just pseudo journalists sitting in sofas in the lobby of the American colony, sipping one drink after an other and waiting for ready-made papers prepared by the PA propagandists ?
41. Conny Mus is a selfmade journalist
daniel ,   Amsterdam   (10.02.07)
He is a business man who rolled into journalism, he has no knowledge of Israel or the Arab world. For example, Conny Mus thinks Kabalah started in Tsfat 'thousands of years ago' and not the 16th century. Moreover he thinks antisemitism is something exclusivly related to WWII. Conny Mus is the most incapable journalist that I know of.
42. To Rivkah....
Meir Moses   (10.02.07)
Please stop talking rubbish. The etymology of the Danube is Celtic and it means to 'flow', which is unsurprising for a river. In most Germanic/Latin languages we of course do not talk about the DANube. In the langauges of most of the countries it flows through it starts with a DO or a DU. Know one knows where the tribes went to. NO ONE.
43. conny mus
richard ,   london   (10.02.07)
i rarely express my dislike for anyone but i find your self righteous judgemental remarks quite abhorrent. may i tell you how very much i dislike you personally.
44. Shame on Gerstenfeld
Daisy Faure ,   Plaisir France   (10.02.07)
How dare you, Mr Gerstenfeld, have any opinion about the Israeli policy as you are not a "sheinkinist" neither a graduate or a professor at the Tel Aviv University, the most open minded academic institution to everybody except for non leftists ?
45. #36 Franco
Richard ,   London UK   (10.02.07)
Do you remember this summer when Romano Prodi suggested that Europe 'may' have to talk with Hamas. remember the indignation and vitriol that poured out from Isreal? So where is the room for debate on that? In England there is a newspaper that is so pro isreal it makes people laugh. But no one wants to ban it or 'attack' it. To say that there is an anti Isreal media agenda is ridiculous. Come to london and see the billboards advertising holidays in Isreal, or the Isreal flags that flutter from parts of London, or the Jewish holidays that are respected and worshipped reguarly, or the estate agents selling properties in Isreal. This websire constantly refers to palestinians as 'terrorists'. That is NOT objective reporting. The Palestinians can be quite as easily seen from the opposite sprectrum, as resistance fighters for example. Isreal constantly goes on and on about Arabs being synonomous with terrorist and therefore attempts to stifle all debate about the goings on in Gaza and the West Bank.
46. #39: Rivkah
Ariel ,   London   (10.02.07)
Very interesting theory. Personally I am not sure I would give the Germans the honour of descending from the tribe of Dan. Given recent history, they would fit very nicely into Amalek. On the subject of Dan being completely struck off by God, I refer you to Ezekiel 48:1 Which is describing Israels border during the Messianic reign. It starts by describing the portion of land allocated to Dan! If you don't mind, please e-mail me. I find your views on many subjects very interesting.
47. #45: Richard London
Ariel ,   London   (10.02.07)
Which news paper are you talking about? and why single out Israel when there travel ads and billboards promoting every nation under heaven? There are estate agents who sell only French Spanish or Portuguese property or Dubai even, is that a crime? What about China and Russia?
48. #47
Richard ,   London UK   (10.02.07)
I am not singling out Israel (don't be so defensive please) I was pointing out that in London there is plenty of evidence of Israel being integrated into Europe contrary to the opinion that Isreal is the target of a negative media portrayal. And the assertion that Europe is turning into a kind of Europestan (Eurabia I think you called it) is offensive to Muslims and to Europeans. What is wrong with muslims? Please tell me.
49. Support the fight
Gil ,   Tel Aviv exlondon   (10.02.07)
I've already contacted this man, he;s got the right idea. I used to live in London but now in Israel. I'd like to help join in the battle and start attacking the UK.
50. #45 Richard
Franco ,   Roma, Italia   (10.02.07)
1) Indignation poured out not only (and understandably) from Israel, but also in Italy itself, since Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by EU. Would you ever talk with people whose only aim is to kill you & your family? Anyway there was room for debating the matter, since Romano Prodi and his FM Massimo D’Alema justified their stance with a typical Italian byzantinism, arguing that there is a difference between talking and treating. 2) I never said that I want to ban any pro-arab paper in Italy, but surely, since I live in a freedom-of –speech abiding democracy, I have the right of “attacking” them (verbally or with writings) when I feel their reporting is biased against Israel. 3) What has to do billboards advertising holidays in Israel, or the Israel flags that flutter from parts of London, or the Jewish holidays that are respected and worshipped reguarly, or the estate agents selling properties in Israel with media bias against Israel? Do you mean that Jews of UK shouldn’t have the right to freely worship during their holydays? Selling properties abroad is nowadays a crime in GB? Aren’t anymore British citizens free to spend their vacations wherever they choose? All the above matters are about freedom, not about media bias. Media bias is about dishonestly reporting facts, about titles in the newspapers, about one-sided criticism. 4) Ynetnews.com DOES NOT constantly call the Palestinians terrorists. To the contrary, it also too often calls them militants, gunmen, etc. I, for my part, never ever considered the whole Palestinian people as terrorists, which would disqualify me as a racist. But honest reporting would require the Palestinian fighters to be called militiamen, militants, gunmen when they are engaged in fighting with IDF, and terrorists when they launch rockets on the peaceful civilians of Sderot, or when they explode themselves among civilians. Moreover, calling them resistance fighters is not simply another, opposite point of view: it is an INSULT to true resistance fighters. My grandma’s brother was killed by Germans as a leader of the Italian resistance against nazifascism during WW2, and I know for certain that he never thought of exploding himself, with the aim of killing civilians, in a Hamburg’s pub or in a dancing hall in Bremen. Even if, for absurd, assumed your point of view, resistance would be legitimate in the West Bank, but not in Gaza, from which Israel unilaterally withdrew two years ago.
51. the dutch biased media against Israel
dominique ,   Pinellas Park USA   (10.02.07)
Every time I hear about Holland; it is bad news and I want to sink into the ground. I am so ashamed of my old country . I wonder what those who gave their lives in WW2 would say if they saw our country now. I came from Amsterdam which had (past tense) a big Jewish community until hatred killed most..Never again I learned as a little child and as an old woman I say never again.. I for one will stand up for Israel as many in Europe fall back to the same lie as before WW2, SHAME!!!!
52. ~#50
Richard ,   London UK   (10.02.07)
Franco the point I was making about the billboards etc in London was that contrary to the perceived opinion on this website, there is not a europe -wide anti israel bias and that isael is well integrated in the culture and trade of europe. regarding the 'terrorist' issue, I have yet to see the Palestinians described as anything other than terrorists on this site. I will look for examples of Palestinians being described as 'victims' or 'militants'. As for calling them resistance fighters being an insult well that is just not true. A 'resistance fighter' is a resistance fighter regardless of his methodology. What difference is there in how you resist an occupier? Death is death. Italy in WW2 is an interesting case as following the overthrow of Mussolini many Italians suddenly became resistance fighters and the country was divided into the republic of Salo and the bit invaded by the allies. Essentially there was a civil war and therefore Italians were either Partigani or terroristi depending on which side of the line they stood. About ten years ago I directed a documentary based on the recollections of Italian reduci di guerra. One had been a prisoner of war in the UK, another had fought in Russia with the German invasion, another had fought at El Alemein against the British and the other had been a Partisan who very luckily escaped death at the hand sof the Germans. Which of those four men was a soldier, a resistance fighter or terrorist? I know what the Russians would label the Italian.
53. To Mr. De Boer #4. Performed By Male Muslims.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (10.02.07)
You write :".. they (i.e. the Muslims) would spit and mumble curses ..". Islam is a religion whereby the male dominates, and exploits the women. For example in Morocco a 'religious' marriage requires ONLY 2 things : one Soera from the Koran, and 4 male friends of the man as witnesses. SO, after the 'newly-wed' woman becomes pregnant the 'husband' demands an abortion or, if she doesn't agree with abortion, she is FORCED out of the house. Because the Koran-based marriage is NOT accepted as legal in Morocco, the woman ends up on the street. Because women are generally KIND-HEARTED they don't go for abortion. SO, the woman ends up with a child -- and with NO (financial) support. CONCLUSION : ON the basis of the Koran the male Muslims are exploiting, harassing, threatening, beating and killing women. This is sheer TERROR against women -- based on the Koran. ANOTHER CONCLUSION : IN order to keep this life-style INTACT the men-with-four-wives preaches all kinds of NONSENSE to the young Muslim males, who than becomes a terrorist -- and it all starts with SPITTING at other religions. So, all this NONSENSE performed by male Muslims must STOP !!!
54. #48 Can't remember
Ariel ,   London   (10.02.07)
I don't exactly remember labeling Europe as Eurabia. Perhaps you could refresh my memory. If you don't think that Israel is the target of negative media portrayal, we are either listening to different press sources or we just have to agree that we have a fundamental disagreement on the nature of the Arab-Israeli conflict. I would no say that there is some general malady with Moslem's. What I would say is I do not agree with the Islamic world view. But then again, there several multiples of billions who disagree with my world view, so no big deal.
55. oh come on, don't blame all the Dutch...
Dutch citizen ,   TA   (10.02.07)
Oh come on, now you are all against the Dutch, just because of what Mr. Gerstenfeld says, yes there are some newspapers biased against Israel, like the Telgraaf, but their readers have an IQ below the table.. There are also some good fair newspapers like NRC. All the right will support Mr. Gerstenfeld, who himself is a rightwinger and settler.... btw YES is spreading a rumor, that they have problems because some Dutch ships that are in Israeli waters....hehehehehe don't believe everything you read in the media.....do your own check up.... Mr. Mus is not an amazing journalist....maybe time to retire in the Netherlands??
56. #48
Richard ,   London UK   (10.02.07)
My mistake. It wasn't you who called Europe Eurabia. I misquoted you. Just goes to show how easy it is to misrepresent and distort I guess. I don't see this great negative media portrayal that you allure to. Agreed I don't read the 'Nazi Times' or anything, I just read and listen to the general Englsh media. Ok in general the UK media doesn't call all Palestinians 'terrorists' but that is because the UK media is impartial. Is that what you mean, that the UK media doesn't toe the Israeli Govt line that all Palestinains are terrorists and should be shut behind a wall?
57. richard uk
danny ,   london   (10.02.07)
you are quite welcome to view hamas as freedom fighters or whatever but kindly let us have our own view of the matter.where you stand is where you sit.that is obvious enough.you do not stand where we do.your mail had something of a hectoring quality.
58. richard and muslims
danny ,   london   (10.02.07)
the majority are certainly not political but your question has a self righteous tone to it.is it a surprise to you that the muslim faith is fighting china thailand burma india,israel,christian lebanon and the usa.as well as the west.?
59. richard " there is nothing wrong with muslims"
danny ,   london   (10.02.07)
indeed not but then why is europe offended at being called eurabia?
60. richard uk
milton ,   chicago   (10.02.07)
you say you have never seen palestinians being described as militants.i can only assume you are dishonest.
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