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Israel officially denies responsibility for death of al-Dura in 2000
Ronny Sofer
Published: 01.10.07, 22:16
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31. source
(10.02.07)
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_alaqsa_dura.php
32. Remeber Those Ridiculous Fake "pal" Funerals
Jim West ,   Porcupine Hill, USA   (10.02.07)
when the corpse would be miraculously ressurected from the dead as soon as the pall-bearers thought the camera was off them so childish and silly
33. You can rely on Israel to go on shooting itself in the foot.
Yoav Naor ,   Haifa   (10.02.07)
You read these stories in utter despair, It's mind boggling the utter sheer stupidity of our Israeli leaders. You would just want to ignore them,if you could,but our lives and the lives of those dear to us hang in the balance. They are getting worse instead of better. Everyday you read about another moronic decision being made,without any consultation. Public opinion is meaningless to these megalomaniacs.
34. A REAL source for Zeal (9)
sk ,   USA   (10.02.07)
From the Hadith (Bukhari): Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Khosrau will be ruined, and there will be no Khosrau after him, and Caesar will surely be ruined and there will be no Caesar after him, and you will spend their treasures in Allah's Cause." He called, "War is deceit'. --Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Number 267. Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle called,: "War is deceit". --Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Number 268. Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: The Prophet said, "War is deceit." --Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Number 269. http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/bukhari/index.htm
35. muhammad al-dura,the child killed...
maria ,   usa   (10.02.07)
one film used the death of muhammad al-dura, the child killed in the crossfire of a shootout between palestinian gunmen and israeli forces, to show that life after death is paradise. and actor playing al-dura is shown in an amusement park,playing on the beach, and flying a kite. the al-dura in the film invited viewes to follow him. similar messages extolling the virtue of the shabid can be found in school textbooks and sermons by muslim clergy.
36. Visit Palestinian Media Watch
Carl ,   Indianapolis, USA   (10.02.07)
and see the wide variety of slander against Israel that is being propagated through friendly world media.
37. Anybody can doctor up a film.
Richard ,   New York, USA   (10.02.07)
The Israeli government is a rogue government. They are not even concerned about the lives of their own people, so why would they be concerned about the lives of some non-Jews? They have no respect for the laws of G-d or the laws of man.
38. #29, I'm impressed you really are a walking dictionary of BS
Danny   (10.02.07)
You've managed to compile a list of fake and not quite quotes. Peled was talking to Le Monde not Haaretz and what he said directly contradicts what he was saying immediately prior to the 67 war. Usually people of your ilk quote Rabin claiming 2 divisions in the Sinai weren't a threat[There were 7, but hey we're making stuff up so who cares]. Even then you don't get the fake quote right. Even if the fake motto of the Mossad was true, a spy agency committing "deceit", tell me it isn't true. I am sure every single Mossad agent goes around saying "hi I work for the Mossad, just so you don't accuse me of lying to you later..." Capt R was acquitted because all those quotes from his underlyings you guys love so much, they were lies. They said so, they perjured themselves. They aren't true. Just like the video from Ovda were his radio conversation was overlaid a video of a shootout from a different post at a different time. PS The real quote is about the closed zone, "even if a 3 year entered, we would have to shoot it." The Ben-Gurion quote is fake as is the Netanyahu one. Most of the "refugees" from 1948 never even saw an Israeli soldier, let alone were "expelled" by one. If Ben-Gurion really meant that he didn't do a good job because half the population of the Galilee are arab today. All in all, a good example of anti-Israeli lies. Don't you guys bother to make some new ones up?
39. #24, actually the total figure is 857
Danny   (10.02.07)
That includes people shooting, bombing, and throwing molotovs. The vast majority of "children" killed were between the age of 15-18. But hey, who cares about facts? You and zeal don't.
40. staged
east ,   europe   (10.02.07)
This story is great! It reminds me of the murder of the British peaceworker and the journalist by the IDF. All the evidence was swept away and it was heavily implied that they were at fault for getting in the way of IDF bullets! Just like it was Rachel Corrie's fault that she was pummelled to death by a bulldozer.
41. #30 fair but false
israeli ,   israel   (10.02.07)
if you could only lift the hatred from your eyes you might have a chance to think more clearly: the boy's father refused to be treated in Israel, so he went to Jordan, where he lay in his hospital bed like a martyr and gave interviews to whomever was interested to hear his story (practically every news agency available at the time). Therefore I can't quite see how Israel would have destroyed crucial evidence (bullets and shrapnel) in a Jordanian hospital. Therefore your whole theory crumbles into dust. So Paletstinians produce a Palliwood movie, kill or don't kill a boy whose dead body is not made available for autopsy, the father takes the precious bullets with him to Jordan and you still hold the Israeli authorities responsible? The only fault I see here is the fact that they didn't send the France 2 representatives packing along with the other representatives of the foreign press. Let them reside in Gaza, Ramallah or Beth-Lehem. No need for them to enjoy the good life in Israel under the protection or our security forces. Let Fatah and Hamas cater to their needs!
42. #31 - a source of crap!
israeli ,   israel   (10.02.07)
43. Staged--and poorly
Sadhasiv ,   Washington DC, USA   (10.02.07)
This sounds a lot like a pair of bombings in Korangi and Liaqatabad areas of Karachi in 1987. Pakistani government tried blaming KGB (erstwhile Soviet Union) and RAW (India), but it was proven to be staged (vehicles used in bombing rather new). Also, Reuters and other news agencies were shown last year to have done some real ham-fake jobs (ambulance having "missile hole" which proved to be the place for the lights--which had been removed as a classic example). No question, Enderlin faked it--and his fakery has come apart!
44. #31, sorry
israeli ,   israel   (10.02.07)
my comment was meant for a different article.
45. Expose all of the frauds
DrRJP ,   Florida, USA   (10.02.07)
Olmert should also publically announce that the "Massacre at Jena" was a major hoax as well as labelling the bombing of a children's hospital during the Hezbollah war as a publicity stunt. The evidence of fraud are spread all over the world's blogs, and it is openly admitted tactic of Palestinisan terrorists to thoroughly control what the media sees. Israel should mount a massive, worldwide PR campaign against the phony claims of the Palestinians. It's time to put them on the defensive.
46. Mossad watch
Zeal ,   Isramerica   (10.02.07)
"Through deceit thou shalt do war". A few deceits: 1. Lavon Affair 2. USS Liberty 3. Trojan horse operation 4. Khaled Meshaal assassination (agents with false canadian passport) 5. Assassination of three witnesses against Sharon who would testify: includes former Lebanese Phalangist militia leader and was car bombed by, guess what, a Car bomb! Could the assassination of anti-syrian ministers in Lebanon also be connected to Israel? After all, they're the ones that invaded it five times, killing 20000 of its citizens. Watch that mossad and its criminal activities. FREE PALESTINE!
47. #46, you really are scraping the barrell
Danny   (10.02.07)
1) The "lavon affair" involved a spy ring that was set up in the 1940s. The Mossad came into existance in 1951. You spot the error.... 2) The USS Liberty has been done to death, whats the reason you are giving now? "Massacres", "plans to attack the Golan"? What exactly would this have to do with the Mossad? 3) Trojan Horse? That was the greeks.... 4) Khaled Meshaal wasn't assasinated... and you think spies use their own passports? 5) Hmm, who could possibly be killing ANTI-SYRIAN mps, not Syria, of course not. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It must be Israel!!! As for Eli Hobeika, does it not seem wierd that the guy who carries out the massacre is being called as a witness to to a "trial" - which by the way never happened - of Sharon. Five invasions - 1978, 1982, and 2006 and..... Maybe you are getting confused with 1948 where Lebanon invaded Israel? PS are you planning to post something at somepoint that is not utter BS?
48. Corrections for you Danny boy- one
Zeal ,   Isramerica   (10.02.07)
1. Lavon Affair is a failed Israeli covert operation in Egypt known as Operation Susannah, in which terrorist bombings were conducted against Egyptian, American and British-owned civillian targets in Egypt in the summer of 1954. 2. This was a false flag attack and the deadliest attack on the navy since the second world war- the USS liberty had intelligence that Israel was about to attack the Golan Heights the next day, which Washington was, at that time, against. Of course, Washington covered the whole thing up because, as Johnson said, "I don't give a dam*. I will not embarass the ally."
49. To continue Danny
Zeal ,   Isramerica   (10.02.07)
(Just as a note, I got it wrong: its "By way of deceit, thou shalt do war.") 3. Now this quote from above was said by a former mossad agent, Victor Ostrovsky. According to him, Mossad provoked America's air strike on Libya in 1986 by making it appear that terrorist orders were being transmitted from the Libyan government to its embassies around the world. But the messages originated in Israel and were re-transmitted by a special communication device - a "Trojan horse" - Mossad had placed inside Libya. The resulting strike killed 36, including Gaddafi's daughter. 4. My bad: I meant assassination "attempt" . And by the way, the man who assassinated Martin Luther King Jr. also had a false Canadian passport. My point is that there could be Mossad agents throughout the ENTIRE middle east- probably greatly involved in the attack on Syria last week. 5. Your government has a policy of assassination- Israel has killed scores of leaders, including Hamas founder Ahmed Yassin and his successor Rantisi one month later. By the way, did you see the advertisement on this website that shows a helicopter and a sign reading "targeted assassination units?" That proves my point well, don't you think? Now about Lebanon, there was the 1978,1982, 2006 invasions as you said, but there were also strikes in 1993 and 1996 (the latter of which included the Qana strike which took over one hundred lives which this site describes as a "technical failure"). Now about the trial, true it never really took place, but Belgium in around 2002 to 2003 heard some War Crimes cases, including from Sabra and Shatilla victims . Sharon, of course, scorned "anti-semitic little Belgium." Unfortunely, they passed a law saying that only Belgian citizens could bring court cases. You zionists are terrible historians I believe. Go ahead, counter my arguments- say all of these are fabricated in some way, just as you always do. FREE PALESTINE!
50. #49, I am not going to bother after this
Danny   (10.02.07)
Virtually every single post you have made has been demonstrably false. You quote Ben-Gurion about kicking out arabs from Galilee, which is unfortunate as the Galilee was one of the few places that get most of the arabs in 1948 and it is over 50% arab today. You quote Ostrovsky, who despite being a member of an organisation that practises "war through deceit", becomes a honest, never would lie. You get dates wrong - the Syria strike was a month ago not a week ago. You get dates wrong, you accept anything no matter how clearly fake as true if it backs up your prejudice but instantly dismiss anything that doesn't jibe with them. You claim we are "terrible historians" and then make fake quotes from "zionists" to back up your claims. This might remind you of someone whose name begins with Z....: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTG4pWdRtYY
51. yo, zealot
israeli ,   israel   (10.02.07)
boy, you are full of hatred, and that is bad news for your ticker and gallbladder. Watch your health, boy, watch your health! Let me tell you something, I have felt a lot safer and slept better at night since the wheelchair mass murderer and his deputy were dispatched to hell. Well done IDF, go IAF! Go ahead and quote Ostrovski all you want, but I want to remind you that we also sank the Titanic/Olympic, we are single-handedly responsible for the dinosaurs becoming extinct, and we are also training pigs to fly to be used as the ultimate weapon against the Palios, far better than any helicopter or fighter jet. Far deadlier. We had nothing to do though with Marie-Antoinette, Mary Stuart, Charles I of England, or Ceausescu. I agree, Palestine should be freed, but not the way you think it should.
52. Now the both make me laugh
Zeal ,   Isramerica   (10.02.07)
Danny, you have said the words fake/false/BS/lies thirteen times. I probably miscounted, so slander me in the next post for not getting it right. Now you tell me person named Israeli two things: 1. Which of my post shows that I have hatred and to whom? 2. Which of the events I accused Israel of seems as far fetched as your story that gunmen and some cameraman staged a shot of a boy being shot in the arms of his father? Is the fact that he's Palestinian make what he saw on that day seven years ago a lie? The problem with the both of you is that you think that Israel is a perfect nation. There is no perfect nation, because there are no perfect humans. So you watch your health, whoever you are, and restrain your tongue (or rather your fingers in this case) from saying such unclean words. And by the way Danny, what exactly would you consider utter BS?
53. yo, zealot
israeli ,   israel   (10.03.07)
hit a raw nerve, didn't I? Well, I didn't spot any love for Israel in your tb's. "You Zionists", "the problem with you", "Free Palestine", congratulating a Bethlemite for beating you to the post. No, we are not perfect, but then neither are you hiding behind a zealot identity and Isramerica, now are you. And although I personally do not think that a good Arab is a dead Arab (perhaps it is you who thinks so because you keep repeating it), I still cannot see them as the perfect individuals, or the perfect nation/tribe. Still I was not the one calling for the liberation of Palestine. I take it you wish us removed from here, either voluntarily or driven into the sea by the Arabs (with you cheering them on I suppose). Now that is love for Israel. So you read Ostrovsky. How can you be sure he is telling the truth and not just trying to make a fast buck? Oh, anything goes if it can be used against Israel. How do you know Ahmadijunky was misquoted? Do you speak the lingo or do you rely on translations? Which version? King James's? Oh, and I suppose you would like to indict the Mossad for its part in bringing to justice Adolf Eichmann? Or perhaps it isn't hatred, it's envy.
54. yo zealot
israeli ,   israel   (10.03.07)
I hit the submit button too soon. In any case, we are not perfect and criticism is justified. But don't use lies and misquotes and fabrications. The incident has been discussed and analyzed all over the net, it is being tried in France, Enderlin refuses to produce the footage, his cameraman refuses to produce the bullets, there was no autopsy... And no, I do not believe the father actually saw israeli soldiers shooting his son. He couldn't have, he was too far and without the benefit of a pait of binoculars. I believe he is saying what he is being told to say. I believe he may be threatened by certain elements, so he might have no choice. Besides, Israeli TV (I know this is not a reliable source for you, but I couldn't care less) showed some footage analyzed by an investigator, where the dead child (his father cried he was dead) suddenly raises his hand, changes positions four times (all this after being pronounced dead by the father), and actually is seen to walk away from the scene (after being pronounced dead). The father was never treated in Israel, he went to Jordan. Probably there was nothing to treat, no wounds, no bullets. Just anti-Israel propaganda for the eagerly lap-lap-lapping media and consumers like yourself. He even had the nerve to give the Israeli TV an interview (would you believe Israeli TV now?).
55. Hey, Danny, notice how Abu Zeal ignored my #34.
sk ,   USA   (10.03.07)
You see, Abu Zeal can offer fake quotes and quotes taken out of context, but when someone fires back at him/her from the Religion of Peace (TM), using an unquestionably authentic source, it's ignored. In fact, I had a follow up that the sublime censor (PBUH) deleted. This was about how Islam instructs believers to lie: http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004628.php
56. Re: #52: skepticism of al-Dura "murder" is mainstream
LionsDentist ,   New York   (10.03.07)
One of many stories in sources considered mainstream in the US that conclude that IDF did not shoot al-Dura, and, further, that incident was likely staged: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200306/fallows
57. For Danny #47/50
Sadhasiv ,   Washington DC, USA   (10.03.07)
Zeal's claim that the tape is genuine flies in the face of evidence of anti-Israel media-bias which was revealed last year. He can no more get his facts straight than the Pakistani legal team could at ICJ about 1999 Atlantique Incident--BTW, the result of this was that Pakistan badly lost the case even after spending more than quadruple on it of India.
58. For sk #34/55
Sadhasiv ,   Washington DC, USA   (10.03.07)
Yes, and I also noticed he ignored my post #43. Because he, like most brigand-followers west of Ayodhya, simply can never face the truth!
59. #52, honestly this is the last time
Danny   (10.03.07)
No I don't think Israel is a "perfect" nation. No one who lives here would think that. You seem to think that Israel is the "perfect" baddie, refering to what are known to be fake stories - the only one that is true to my knowledge is that Israel tried to kill Meshaal and even that you get wrong. You don't even show any originality in your lies, ALL of the "statements" you have made have been repeatedly debunked. Even the USS Liberty story you have not updated - the Golan ultimatum story has been shown to be untrue, Israel had informed the US about it's intent to attack Syria, the US was fine with it, YOU should know this because Israel DID attack Syria and NO ultimatum was issued. Even if it was not, you think the logic is "We are worried our main ally[By the way at the time was France, not US but minor point] will be angry at us but not if we bomb one of his ships....". Given what you say is clearly false, why do you think you are worthy of respect? To answer your question: 1) I think digging up the "greatest hits" of anti-Israeli lies, shows a hatred that is beyond the "I am outraged by what Israel does" to "I hate Israel, now I am going to google "anti-Israeli lies" to back my hatred up". 2) No, here is what might have happened. There is an exchange of fire going on. The cameraman catches some of it. It is not indisputably Israel's fault, he cuts it so that it appears that way. This happens over and over and over. PS It is slander if you say something not true. Which describes your posts not mine. I actually think I have been quite patient with you. If I was posting over and over that NO palestinians had ever been killed by the IDF in defiance of all facts, I suspect you'd have been ruder than me. Your posts are of the same quality as that....
60. First Danny, then Israeli, now Sk, Lion's dentist
Zeal ,   Isramerica   (10.03.07)
and Sadhasiv? I can only answer one person at a time people. Now, I'll basically sum things up. You've got to stop making conspiracy theories about this incident. Remember that Muhammed was not the only kid who died that day- the next day an eighteen month old was killed by a settler. I can make just as many conspiracy thoeries as you guys are making, such as the Kennedy assassination, which the Mossad could have committed because they were displeased with his disagreeing with the top secret nuclear facility. But it's just a conspiracy theory. Now Israeli, the mossad is the most ruthless spying agency worldwide; its crimes can not be judged by one victory; its theft of Mirage planes, its attempt to get fake New Zealand passports, and murder of a Morrocan man in Norway are just some more crimes. Now you, Sk, that fool Pipes has hatred for anything labeled "Muslim" on it; if its not labeled Muslim, he puts the label on it (like the Oklahoma City bombing). If you want to learn about Islam, I suggest not going to this man for information, okay? Well, I've got to go. Later.
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