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Ramon hints division of Jerusalem to be discussed in Annapolis
Atilla Somfalvi
Published: 07.10.07, 17:47
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1. Ramon
israeli ,   israel   (10.07.07)
Perhaps the division of Haim Ramon could be discussed at Annapolis? Better yet, let the Palis have him whole.
2. Divison did not work in the past
Eric ,   Tel Aviv   (10.07.07)
Clinton tried to make such a division and it could not be sold to either Israelis or to the Palestinians. Why think it would work now? If Kadima and the current coalition don't want this why is it being proposed or even discussed by Haim Ramon? Someone needs to give him an outline of what he can propose/talk about and what is not acceptable. This will be the second time that Olmert and the the rest of Kadima will not back what Ramon is saying.
3. Ramon: The ULTIMATE JEWISH TRAITOR
Malcolm   (10.07.07)
4. America,Seat of Israel's Division
Marcel ,   Florida   (10.07.07)
The one who sits at the HEAD of this table is not Russia or China or Europe but the U.S. ruled by a wolf in sheeps costume ,the false,fake,fraud peacemaker Bush. Those in denial of the truth keep singing their song of lies until the truth fall's on their heads and crushes them. Do not keep silent, O God! Do not hold Your peace, And do not be still, O God! 2 For behold, Your enemies make a tumult; And those who hate You have lifted up their head. 3 They have taken crafty counsel against Your people, And consulted together against Your sheltered ones. 4 They have said, "Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation, That the name of Israel may be remembered no more." Psalm 83
5. Israeli modern voice
Ali ,   Ramallah, Palestine.   (10.07.07)
This is how we might have real peace in the region. Otherwise, keep dream on having security and peace. The deal is simple: Peace against land. The new Palestinian State will be in the majority of 1967 boarders, including East Jerusalem. 90% of the Palestinians accept such final deal. You'll never find single Palestinian accept less than that. If Israel has power and force now, it might not keep the case for ever. One way that we can both make the enemies of peace and humanity, like Syria and Eran, shut their mouths. The Palestinian refugees may not be able to return to Inside Israel, however some of them should, but they can for sure have the right of better life within the new state. We all know that, but it is necessarily that Israel should recognize their return right. After establishing the Pals State, we may or may not have federal unity with Jordan. We have the right and it's up to the Pals people final decision. This how we understand peace and this is how we look at it. By doing so, we and the Israeli people will trust and LOVE each other. Without doing this, we'll keep seeing one another as evil and enemy.
6. Jerusalem,The City that God Gave away.!!
Roy C H ,   Pittsburg USA   (10.07.07)
He gave it to the Children of Jacob.= Israel. and he said he will to it that they will get it all From the Med Sea to the the Rivers to rhe East. Many voices are crying out in vain. Futile atempts to divide & conquer & change to Word of Gods Plan is in the Last Phases. My USA, Flip Flop President in the lead with his map. Land for peace. could be the last one that God will allow to play out in a total failure for all the Gentile Systems of the world. Daniel; 9 ;26;27 , that plan has to be on the table in Brussels. This will start the Clock for Jacobs Kids & to the end of the Enemy of us all. Mr. GW don't have that one. He has set it all up in his failed time. Pundit Speaking according to the 1611 AD Book. WE have a front row seat to all this action. among the Talkback boys&girls. ! ! ok? . RcH. USA.
7. Ramon has no mandate.Opposition must take down gov't already
LEE ,   NY, USA   (10.07.07)
8. Hebron
Saul Goldstein ,   Boca Raton, FL, US   (10.07.07)
If dividing Jerusalem is discussed at Annapolis in November, will Hebron (Machpella) be also included?
9. Never
Alin ,   Bucharest,Romania   (10.07.07)
The ultimate traitor wants to split the CITY!NEVER!This will never happen!
10. A better idea, Ali
Chaya ,   Bat Yam, Israel   (10.07.07)
You can stay where you are but you'll have Jordanian citizenship. After all, Jordan is the other half of what was called 'Palestine.' If peace is what you truly want, you'll accept that.
11. ramon
usa   (10.07.07)
Pulsa Denura
12. ramon's jerusalem
elliot ,   point roberts,usa   (10.07.07)
i like dichter's map better--surly it does not matter what the terrorists agree to because they will not be bound except by force anyway. if israel had elections surly ramon will be less powerful. i think reviving abu mazen is like breathing life into a corpse.
13. To 9 & 10
Ali ,   Ramallah, Palestine.   (10.07.07)
Obviously, you are the same writer. I know that you have your own propaganda and regime of beliefs, but trust me: people like you will never have peace. In fact, this mentality that makes Pals wait for Najad and others to make trouble for Israel. Too much religion is not good. If you have your own versus, Muslims and Christians have, too.
14. IT'S HIGH TIME TO DISCUSS RAMON!
SERGIO ,   ISRAEL   (10.07.07)
15. BRILLIANT IDEA! JUST LIKE EAST AND WEST BERLIN!
stude ham   (10.07.07)
And in 1967 over 600 of our boys were killed just so we could secure parts of Jerusalem for the benefit of our enemies... right??? ramon is very warped and sick man.
16. Sex Offenders and Criminals Are Deciding the Fate of J'sem
David ,   Philadelphia, USA   (10.07.07)
What a pathetic excuse for a "Jewish" establishment. Israel needs a Jewish leadership now!
17. To Ali from Ramallah
Alin ,   Bucharest,Romania   (10.07.07)
Obviously,you don't know where Romania is.After all,when you have a surrogate country,you misplace others.Anyway,Ali from Ramallah from Filastin territories,remember you are the occupying force.You are occupying the rightfull place of Israel;you are occupying a part of Israel.Palestine is a mythical concept.Palestinian people is a lie.So you must accept your place in nearby Jordan if you want peace.If not,face Tsahal.After all,the palestinian "nation" is born dead!
18. Ramon
Mark ,   Fargo N.Dakota   (10.07.07)
Did the moslems promise Ramon some women to molest?
19. Religion,Ali...religion
Alin ,   Bucharest,Romania   (10.07.07)
Ali,in case you didn't noticed,religion in that region is EVERYTHING.It is the reason,it is the mean and that conflict it's not political,it's primarily religious.Either a rabbi commands a killing,either a sheikh gives a fatwa or a priest calls for holy war,it's all about religion.Maybe you don't know the evangelic church has promised Israel military and economic support.What proof do you need to see the truth?unless you are a fanatic muslim or a leftist....
20. was Abraham short sighted
(10.07.07)
to not see beyond Manhattan? Mormons have more faith in Abraham's sight-length than the Jews have. They built the Zion in Utah. what one cannot understand if sight is spiritual, why should the Zion be geographical?
21. #20
Bravo ,   Zulu   (10.07.07)
Lets make your Mecca a thought in the minds of moslem's so that it can be reduced to a landfill and we can have real peace on earth
22. Ramon and Prof. Alan Dershowitz on same page.
Steve ,   US   (10.07.07)
I am reading one of Dershowitz's books. He puts forth this suicidal plan of dividing Jerusalem and giving much of east Jerusalem (the settled Arab neighborhoods) and the Temple mount to the Muslim jihadists. It's incredible that these are Jews (!) Alan Dershowitz and Haim Ramon! Are these Jews in truth? What kind of Jew is this that wants Muslim terrorists right at our Jewish throats? Is there any doubt, when the "grand mufti" of Jerusalem gives the order that the Muslim hordes will fall on the Jews of Jerusalem and slaughter the Jews like sheep, plundering the houses of Jews, raping the women and ripping open the bellies of pregnant Jewish women? And you ask, are these dogs, that they would do such savage things to the Jews? Need we be reminded of the young soldiers that took the wrong turn into Ramallah; the lynching that took place? The mutilation of their Jewish bodies? Anyone doubt these people are lusting for the Jews of Jerusalem? Do Ramon and Dershowitz believe these people will not fall on the Jews with a vengeance? What kind of montrous Jewish mind plans these things for innocent Jews? Who are these men, Ramon and Dershowitz that they conceive these things?
23. Olmert, Kadima, and Ramon:Will they ever learn?
Zeke Zukov ,   USA   (10.07.07)
Barak surrendered to Hezbollah and abandoned his SLA allies by unilaterally withdrawing from Lebanon. Barak said that the world (UN) would understand that Israel wanted peace. The result : a incompetent government fought an inept war against Israel and emboldened Israel's enemies. Olmert unilaterally withdrew from Gaza and well-meaning Jews bought and gave agricultural greenhouses to the Palestinians. The result: daily rockets fired into Israel from Gaza, tons of weapons smuggled into Israel, condemnation of every Israeli effort to defend itself and calls from academia to boycott Israel. Oh, and academics told Israel to end the occupation of Gaza even though no Israeli is occupying Gaza. Now, this pinhead advocates dividing Jerusalem. What makes this moron think that the Palestinians won't launch rockets from their part of Jerusalem and better yet, how will the world react when Israel tries to stop the rocket fire? Does this idiot think that the UN and the NGO's such as HRW, AI, and B'tselem won't condemn Israel for violations of international law because of collective punishment? Israel has to throw Kadima out.
24. to #8 - HEBRON?!!!
Marwan ,   Amman, Jordan   (10.07.07)
sure thing buddy, we'll give the 200 american-jewish settlers occupying the heart of hebron their share, and the rest goes to the 200,000 ancient khalili muslims.
25. Make Peace While you Still CAN!!
(10.07.07)
Israel should make peace while it’s in a position of strength, like sadat did after his semi good performance in 73. Lose a war, and that position is not only gone, your survival is gone with it. The Arabs can afford to lose wars the Israelis can not, not even once. you almost lost last summers war, and the Arabs loved every minute of it. it breathed new life in the hope that “the all mighty Israel” can be defeated. Make peace before it's too late, you can’t survive in a state of war forever, it can not be done history teaches us. Countries even empires last much longer in peace then in constant state of war, and with Israel’s sever disadvantage of 4 to 5 million the of it’s enemy the Palestinians living in it’s midst. Israel is like a man with a gambling problem which after the 1967 war won the jackpot, but now is getting a bit greedy. Cash out, call it a day, give the Palestinians and the Arabs what you have taken form them in good faith, you can buy your peace with your war victories like you did with Egypt and maybe just maybe you will last another 60 years.
26. Tinkering Jerusalem
Brod ,   USA   (10.07.07)
Tinkering Jersualem can lead to the dissolution of the government and a new election. A government is not run by a one-man show.
27. CENSURED AGAIN!!!
al mann ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (10.07.07)
Freedom of the press! Does it really exist for talkbackers?? YNET needs to think a bit.
28. Another SLIP of the tongue from Chaim Ramon
Jeff ,   Pharma   (10.07.07)
29. #25, This a silly argument you put forth
Steve ,   US   (10.07.07)
Contrary to conventional wisdom, one does not make peace with ones enemy but with ones friend. The only way to make peace with an enemy is to utterly defeat him, crush him, like the US did to Germany and to Imperial Japan. Only then can there be peace. Israel has not defeated her enemies in any war, simply because when Israel is on the brink of victory -- for example, destroying Egypt's Third Army in the 1973 Yom Kippur war --- the US and the United Nations steps in demanding an armistice or a cease fire. Israel got nothing from Egypt as a result of Carter's Camp David accords, other than a cold peace which Israel would have has absent the accords. Plus we lost the Sinai and all its oil wealth. No, the Carter agreement at Camp David was win-win for the Jew-hating Egyptians and a lose-lose for Israel. Begin realized this later. This is why Jimmy Carter wrote in his anti-Israel book, that when he visited Israel later, Begin gave him the cold shoulder. Carter hornswoggled Begin just like Bush is trying to hornswoggle Olmert.
30. dividing Jerusalem
ray ,   usa   (10.07.07)
Any Israeli government that would for a moment discuss dividing Jerusalem is an abomination to Christians and Jews worldwide. A Joy to the Jihadists.
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