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Report: Israel, PA agree Jordanian control of Temple Mount
Roee Nahmias
Published: 08.10.07, 10:14
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1. Ummmm... No?
Aharon   (10.08.07)
I'm all for land for peace if it leads to a sustainable peace agreement, but there is one piece of land that we should never, never, NEVER compromise on, and that is the Temple Mount.
2. what about their history of destroying synagogues?
jack bauer   (10.08.07)
give away this give away that its all i ever read hear on ynet its sickening
3. none of the parties involved have any legitimacy
jack bauer   (10.08.07)
even though the last time they took jerusalem they destroyed jewish sites all over the city, the jordanians are looking the best out of the group but lets face it....olmert does not represent his jewish constituents and abass doesnt represent his either add to that the UN, which is an impotent, and totally corrupt boys club egypt? wtf have they got to do with it? I thought they were busy with their renditions and busy torturing those jihadi bastards I hope the people of Israel are given a chance to voice their opinion about the final solution being forced upon them May G-d protect his people from these vultures and their evil plans
4. Why do this? We already have peace with Jordan - DUH!
Dudu ,   Kfar Sava   (10.08.07)
5. Why only Parts of the Old City? How about the New City
Joseph P. ,   Jerusalem   (10.08.07)
and all of Israel as well? Israel will be safer with Jordanian leaders who don't tolerate nonsense and Leftist monkey-business. The Leftists and the Begatz Corrupt Left Courts, will surely not criticize them, since, after all, they're not Jews. The Israeli "Left" respect the Arab "Rights".
6. Arabs caring for holy sites? What about Joseph's Tomb?
Canadian Otter   (10.08.07)
"Shechem's Arabs have turned Joseph's Tomb into a garbage dump. "Arabs have smashed the domes that capped the structure and the grave's marker. "More disturbing, however, was the discovery of piles of freshly dumped, smoldering garbage. "The walls of the structure were covered with soot, and it was clear that this was the result of recent burning. "In the past, local Arabs claimed that Joseph's Tomb was a holy site for Muslims." http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/134258 The king of Jordan may appear to be a little better than the average Arab leader, but it's not guaranteed that he will remain in power for very long. Giving Jordan control of Temple Mount is forever, no matter who will be in charge of the country in the future. And one must not forget the excavations done by the Arabs on Temple Mount to remove evidence of Jewish antiquities. That is another example of Arab lack respect for Jewish holy sites.
7. Jewish holy sites...?
eli ,   jerusalem   (10.08.07)
"The newspaper did not say whether Israel would keep control of Jewish holy sites" Excuse me...??? The Temple Mount is the HOLIEST site of the Jewish people. And you just said that Olmert is giving it away.
8. One's again-WHO'S in the world ask Israel, at all ???
Bob ,   Russia   (10.08.07)
60 years you play bowls in the pants-now you get result. Can U imagine such way of talk toward USA or Europe or Russia???
9. What Jewish Holy sites?
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (10.08.07)
Islam and the Arabs, including the Jordanians, do not acknowledge that there is any site holy to Jews nor that the "Temple Mount" ever had a Jewish temple on it. The Jordanians will simply see it as taking control of a Muslim holy site which will be forbidden for entry to dogs and Jews. Olmert and Livni do not care, they already have visas to the US.
10. Holy sites
Moshe ,   Jerusalem   (10.08.07)
There is ABSOLUTELY no reason te respect palestinian "holy sites" as long as palestinians do not respect jewish Holy Sites. See what happened with Kever Yosef or Synagogues of Gush Katif!!! Politics that lost self respect & national dignity should leave! Stop bringing shame to our nation!!!
11. No Way!
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (10.08.07)
Someone has forgotten that between 1948 and 1967 the Jordanians controlled the Old City of Jerusalem. During that time, they forbade Jews from worshipping at the Western Wall, converted synagogues into garbage heaps and latrines, and destroyed Jewish graves to build roads and hotels. Now, someone wants to give them control of these areas again? Are they nuts? Besides, giving control to the Arabs of the Temple Mount is an outright abandonment of our right to exactly the most Jewish spot in all of Jerusalem, if not the world. This would fly in the face of the basic reason for us to have returned to the Land of Israel, i.e. to pave the way for the rebuilding of the Temple.
12. #4 Answer... to be "rid" of the Temple Mount...
Mark Kleiman ,   Florida, USA   (10.08.07)
Of course! Olmert is a feaful non-religious Jew. This would help him feel better about himself as Prime Minister of Israel :)
13. Confidence-building measure for young Israelis
A. de Metz ,   Haifa   (10.08.07)
Is it any wonder that Israelis, both young and old, are doing whatever they can to acquire foreign citizenship? What kind of confidence in the continued existence of the state does it instill when daily we witness our leaders competing with each other to see who can give more of our patrimony to our sworn enemies?
14. #11 Reuven. Have you forgotten
Joseph P. ,   Jerusalem   (10.08.07)
that you're dealing with a corrupt government who is more committed to Arabs than to Jews and would even give away all of Jerusalem and the rest of the country to their enemies? My question is only, why it's taking so long for most of Israel - who are against this Left corrupt anti-Israel government - to overthrow it? Why is Olmert still in power? And why is Ramon a Vice PM instead of being in prison for his corruption?
15. Israel, PA agree -Misleading headline
gabriela ben ari ,   jerusalem   (10.08.07)
Israel ??? Was there any referendum, poll, survey anything here ? Nooone, just the decision of one despotic brainless souless "head of state" YNET watch your language, we aren't that stupid
16. AL-QUDS REPORTING... HIGHLY RELIABLE??? NOT REALLY...
stude ham   (10.08.07)
but then sounds just like something idiot olmert and his goons would scurry into... what a joke... what a tragedy!
17. THE BLAME IS ON US
DAVID ,   JUDEA   (10.08.07)
For letting the zionists keep on holding positions of power,with intend to destroy the jewish soul of benei Yakov. The snotnoses at Ynet who publish this like it is no big deal,have no memory nor desire to do so,what blood it cost us to return to Jerusalem in the first place. Following the news one gets the feeling of dejavu of jews digging their own graves followed by a bullet in the back. Not that our enlightend israelis care,they are to busy appeasing,bending over,assimilating and worshipping their idols($$$$). The deconstruction is in full swing,meanwhile we keep on paying our taxes and bow down to our zionist slave masters. Just count on it ,that another 200.000 will be thrown out of their homes. The land is worth holding on to, the state has no longer any value. So it would be a great solution to all become jordanians,at least we have better change to live as jews. Because frankly our arab friends have more respect towards the holiness of this land ,then our zionist hellenists will ever have. Besides that if we become jordanians our herzelists will have totally sucseeded in being like other nations,they will become another nation.
18. Temple Mount to Jordan
Hilda ,   US   (10.08.07)
I never heard of such ninnies. Doesn't anyone remember the 18 years tht Jordan had control of Jerusalem. I remember because I lived in Israel then and I could never visit the wall or other Jewish holy places. I remember how synagogues were destroyed , how cemetrary monuments were razed and used to lline horse stalls and urinals for King Hussein. Plots on Mt of Olives like the burial place of Henrietta Szold was lost because her monument was stolen. Do we want a return of this. Yes, Jordan took very good care of Jerusalem and the holy places and too many Jews died to get it's return. Why are Jews so fearful of holding on to what is rightfully theirs? Arabs do not belong in Jerusalem . They claim it as their 3rd holy city. It is our only holy city. We've already given away Hevron. Don;t listen to Bush and his handmaiden. They are Muslin tochas kissers and are not interested in the future of Israel as a Jewish State.
19. ISLAM'S WAR on G-D & WAR on the HOLY Places of G-D
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (10.08.07)
There NEVER was an Arab country of Palestine. Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. In the 1948 Islamic invasion and illegal occupation of the Jewish Holy Land, Jordan destroyed 58 sacred synagogues in Jerusalem in violent opposition to G-D. Since 1996, Rachel's Tomb, near Bethlehem, has been attacked by Muslim snipers, bombs and Molotov cocktails. In October 2000, Muslims torched and destroyed the ancient synagogue in Jericho. In 2005, in intense hate for G-D, Muslim mobs desecrated and destroyed sacred Gaza synagogues . Joseph is the beloved Bible hero of Jews and Christians. Islamics murdered IDF soldiers at Joseph's Tomb. Muslim mobs burned Bibles and Jewish Prayer Books that gave praise and glory to the One Great G-D and destroyed the Tomb. In the Islamic invasion and filthy desecration of Jesus Christ' birthplace, Church of Nativity, Bibles were torn up for toilet Paper. Inscribed in the Bible are the Laws G-D gave to Moses; the Laws our Western civilization is founded on: Exodus 20: "You shall not murder" "You shall not commit adultery" "You shall not steal" "You shall not bear false witness" Exodus 21:16 "He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death" Leviticus 24:17 "If a man takes the life of any human being, he shall surely be put to death" Global Islamists seek the total destruction of civilization. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Jewish Bible, not once in the Koran. At the time of Mohammad's death, there was not a single mosque in Jerusalem. G-D designated the Temple Mount to Jews for worship and prayer. "For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples." Isaiah 56:7. Muslims on the Temple Mount repeatedly engage in massive rock throwing at Jews, transforming the Temple Mount, the HOLIEST place on earth into a place of violence! World-wide street protests are urgently required to stop Islam's massive vandalism and DESTRUCTION of G-D's Temple Mount: http://www.har-habayt.org/ The OFFENSE to G-D is enormous! The Temple Mount must be returned to its Jewish owners immediately! STOP Inciting Children to Murder ! http://www.teachkidspeace.com/flash.php Palestinian Authority society are taught murdering Jews is the highest goal in life and attains paradise: http://www.pmw.org.il/AFD.html http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/PalestinianChildAbuse
20. ISLAM'S WAR on G-D & WAR on those who OBEY G-D
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (10.08.07)
Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Jewish Scriptures, not once in the Koran. Do Islamists not fear Master of the Universe, the G-D of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who gave the Promised Land to Jews? Exodus 9:1 Thus says the L-RD, the G-d of the Hebrews, "Let My people go, that they may serve Me" Exodus 5:2 But Pharaoh said, "Who is the L-RD that I should obey His voice" On March 27, 2002, at the Park Hotel in Netanya, terrorists targeted for murder Jews honoring and thanking G-D for His great mercy: Exodus 12:14 “you shall celebrate it as a feast to the L-RD” Exodus 12:42 “It is a night to be observed for the L-RD for having brought them out from the land of Egypt; this night is for the L-RD, to be observed by all the sons of Israel throughout their generations.” The Muslim human bomb killer murdered 30 Israelis as Jews obeyed G-D, taking part in the Passover meal. 140 Jewish innocents were injured. The bomb was filled with nails and other metal pieces to maximize the suffering of survivors. On August 19, 2003, terrorists targeted for murder Jews who worship Israel's wonderful G-D - Creator of the Universe. The Muslim human bomb killer blew himself up on the bus of Jews returning from prayer at the Western wall. The Temple Mount, the holiest place on earth, is Judaism's holiest site. The gruesome attack-the bomb packed with metal pieces, killed 22 Jews and injured 134, many seriously. The Palestinian Authority hailed as heroes the terrorists who brutally murdered defenseless 8 months pregnant Jewish Gaza mother, Tali Hatuel, and four little daughters in Gush Katif in May 2004. Deliberately, and massively breaking G-D's law given to Moses: "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER" the Palestinian Authority teach through their mosques, media, summer camps, and public education system, that murdering Jews is a religious obligation. Human bomb killers of Jewish innocents are revered and considered heroes by PA Muslims. Effigies of burning buses are features of PA school pageants and summer camps. Schools, streets and sports teams are named after suicide bombers. Broadcast from Gaza mosque, Oct 13 2000, Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, on Palestinian Authority TV (transcribed by Memri): "Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them..." STOP Inciting Children to Murder ! http://www.teachkidspeace.com/flash.php http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/PalestinianChildAbuse RETURN CONTROL of TEMPLE MOUNT to JEWS NOW! "For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples." Isaiah 56:7 World-wide street protests are urgently required to STOP Islam's vandalism and archaeological destruction of G-D's Temple Mount, the HOLIEST place on earth: http://www.har-habayt.org/
21. End Arab occupation of Temple Mount
David ,   Boston, USA   (10.08.07)
Its disgusting that Muslims are allowed to desecrate the Temple Mt, the Holy of Holies on a daily basis. There can never be peace while they do this to Judaism's holiest site. The best solution is to ban EVERYONE from the Temple Mount permanently.
22. Olmert believes he is a dictaitor who can do anythinig
zionist forever   (10.08.07)
Jerusalem isnt a bar of chocolate that you can share say you have a piece this size you have a piece that size and I have a piece this size. This is a living city we are talking about you cant didivde a living city between different countries. If I walk on this side of the road I am in Israel and subject to Israeli laws but if I cross the street I will now be in the palestian state and subject to their laws. The idea of little enclaves where different countries have soverignty over is rediculous. Can anybody imagine what people would say lets divide London or Washnigton DC they would laugh at the idea tell you to join the real world. Israel though believes that its possible to take their capital and split it down the middle where different countries have soverignty over different naighborhoods you need continuous borders. As for Temple Mount and the Old City ... we have enough trouble right now trying to get Israeli politicians to stop illigal building thats destroying the site Jordan will encourage the destruction of any evidence that jews ever had a Temple there,l they will put on the diplomatic preasure when they have a problem with Israel doing anything in its area they say affects Temple Mount... Jordan might have a peace treaty with Israel but that doesnt mean that once in a position of power they wont abuse it. The Temple Mount and places like the Machpela Cave must be taken out of Israel control for the simple fact that the Israeli politicians are so desperate to avoid confrenations with the muslims they are willing to let archology be destroyoed or ban jews from entering the site if the muslims get upst about it. Oriiginaly the holy sites were supposed to be free for all to visit but Israel had control today they are only as free to visit as politics allows. No arab or muslim state though should be given soverignty over these sites an international organition of some kind needs to be set up that will stop illigal constuction, garuntee free access to all, if jews want to build a synagoue what they want will be taken into consideration just as fairly as if the muslims want to build a minorete or mosque. This organistion must also have the right to use force to enforce these laws. Holy sites which one side or another has obvious right to are in the hands of individual states. The Kotel would belong to Israel The mosque on Temple Mount would belong to muslims but not the area outside the mosque. Rachels Tomb, Josephs Tomb and the other religious figures that are holy to jews only but any site that is disputred is in the hands of the international trust. Israels politicians unwillingnes ti act over destruction and make visiting the site political has proven that Israel is no longer responsible enough to have soverignty over Temple Mount. Also if we are so hell bent on giving the palestians Jerusalem as the capital of their state dont try and turn the city into a jigsaw of who owns which naighborhood artificialy expand the city outwards into the palestian state and possibly let them have soverignty over the muslim quarter in the old city but only the muslim quarter. That gives them the ability to call Jerusalem the capital of their state without affecting anybody. They can say they have soverignty over part of the Old City. It also puts disputed areas into the hands of an indipendent body which will ensure there is no destruction of holy sites and that everybody is free to visit these sites. Olmert though has no authroty to indipendently do backroom deals with Abbas over the future of Jerusalem .. spomebody needs to remind him that Jerusalem is not his private property to do with as he wishes and its future is dependent on a referendum to be held by the Israeli people not him or his corupt cabinet. Its time to get rid of this dictaitorship before there is nothing left to sell.
23. Re: "Israel and the Palestinians have agreed"
Shimshon ,   NYC/Jerusalem   (10.08.07)
This is the problem, it is not Eretz Yisroel, it is not B'nei Yisroel, it is merely 'Israel" the modern country which would rather behave like the nations of the world rather than the HOLY NATION that received the Torah and promised to uphold G-D'S LAWS, the Torah.. While the people of modern Israel are fed up with the lies, treachery and attacks both within and without, it is obvious, we are at the mercy of the ignorant on this earth. The arabs, like the rest of the world, have short term memory. No matter who 'controls' Har HaBayit, it will always be a Makom Kodesh, the place where the Shechina belongs and where only Jews can build successfully. Once again the "foxes and hyenas" roam freely. Olmert is signing our death warrant (chas v'chalilah), again to suit his own personal needs. So, Israel has not agreed. Have we all gone nuts? Jordan, Egypt, PA and UN, four against one? If Hashem had wanted them to control this area, then Eisav would have had a yerusha too. As it stands, he wanted soup and to kill. His children still follow this pattern. Murderers and liars all. And, I, Jewish/Israeli, don't agree. November portends evil.
24. Works for me.
David ,   La Jolla, CA   (10.08.07)
King Abdullah is a descendant of Mohammed, and thus of Abraham. True or not, Muslims respect it. Has stature that way. Western oriented. Can be taken at his word. Not Arafat or any other crank that would destroy Jewish sites like Jacob's tomb. I wouldn't want to be a citizen of an Arab country; why should I have others be citizens of Israel? Besides, they used to be Jordanian citizens. We need compromises. This fits the ideal of a compromise: not perfect for either side, but something that will last as well as move things along. There are risks, and the thought of dividing the holy and indivisible capital of Israel is painful. But so is a never ending spiral of violence. Get over it. (Or at least, get out of Yeshivah and serve in the army!) Besides, this was likely decided long before... David M.
25. Compromise Shows World…
ER ,   Canada   (10.08.07)
…that Jews do not believe Torah. Compromise shows that Jews have no absolute Torah values. If Israel is open for discussion, so is your very existence!
26. Angel Gabriel will make himself known on Mt. Moriah
(10.08.07)
Only Angel Gabriel will make God's desire for Jerusalem known to all--- no one else.
27. hey, genius! what happens when the monarchy ends?
dante ,   uk   (10.08.07)
even if there were some logic behind the proposal and, of course, there is not, there will be a day when the jordanian monarchy and, perhaps, jordan, itself, will no longer be an independent state. WHAT HAPPENS THEN?
28. WHAT DOES JORDAN SAY?
Arik Silverman ,   MIlwaukee USA   (10.08.07)
This is meaningless until Jordan approves it. It's doubtful Jordan wants even more Palestinians to have full citizenship rights. Furthermore, Abu Quisling Abbas will be viewed as a traitor if he denies to Jerusalem Palestinians citizenship in an independent Palestine. Don't be surprised if he goes the way of Sadat.
29. Jerusalem License Agreement
Yakov ,   USA   (10.08.07)
Jerusalem, as licensed, is entrusted to you. It is not to be sold, rented, or sublet. It is not to be reverse engineered, decompiled or modified except by those entrusted to do so by the Jewish people. This license is non-transferrable, and may not be given to another party. If anyone else would like to add to the license agreement, go right ahead. Don't give away what was so hard fought and won. Jerusalem is the soul of Israel, and giving it away would take away THE reason many people make Aliyah. What is Israel without jerusalem?
30. Deal with the devil
Scott Wilson ,   Fargo, ND USA   (10.08.07)
How can this possibly be a good idea? Why would you surrender Jewish Holy sites to Muslims? Ask yourself what would hamas do if the roles were reversed? Oh yeah, thats right there would be no Jews left alive in "palestine". Now if a joint venture deal with Jordan or Egypt could be reached to supervise the Holy sites, both Jewish and Muslim, that is different, but to give that land back to the palestinians is madness!
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