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Shas: Olmert promised Rabbi Ovadia not to discuss J'lem
Attila Somfalvi
Published: 09.10.07, 00:31
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1. surprise!!!! olmert is a LIAR
jack bauer ,   referendum now   (10.09.07)
dont be deceived by this fellow and his company of liars. They are far too busy trying to give Israel away to its enemies to bother remembering whatever promises they made
2. Once again Shas Eats Pork
Malcolm   (10.09.07)
They sold out the Nation of Israel for a few million shekels. Now they are whining after making a deal with the devil. Too latee. You got your mikvas and now you have to pay the devil back. TRAITORS each and every one of YOU!
3. What happen to "ones word is ones bond"
Psalms 83 ,   Selah   (10.09.07)
For those that know how to keep thier WORD ...Pray for Gods peace and solution For Jerusalem
4. Well then..who do you trust? Who will trust you?
Brooke   (10.09.07)
Get out of this gov't now. Bring it down and you will have kept HaShem's promise to Israel and you do not need to concern yourself with the lies of Olmert, Peres, et al. Who do you trust to keep his promise......Olmert or Hashem? The future of Israel is literally in your hands----bring this gov't down NOW!!
5. Why is Rabbi Ovadia so suprised Olmert broke his promise?
zionist forever   (10.09.07)
Olmert promises alot of things to alot of people unfortunatly the only promises he keeps are the ones he wants that he wants to keep the man.... Olmert cant be trusted with anything and he is the closest Israel has come to a dictaiotrship. A leader that only a tiny minority of the public support,. A leader that tells everybody who doesnt gree with his plans to go to hell and he isnt interested in what they have to say. A leader who tries to bypass the Knesset whenever possible. A leader that does illigal closed doors deals with the palestians over the future of Jerusalem even though the cities future must be decided through not only a knesset majority and a referendum a single PM has no authrity to make promises without consulting the full knesset and the people. A leader who is corupt and leads a corupt cabinet just like all good dictaitors do line their own pockets.
6. To Rav Ovadia
Dan ,   Jerusalem   (10.09.07)
Shame on you! You continue to value Shas' participation in the coaliton over what is right for the people of Israel. It is time to leave the coalition. You can only fool some of the people some of the some.
7. Unless J'lem is not negotiable from the start
Carl ,   Indianapolis   (10.09.07)
not saying so will create expectations on the Arab side which could result in a major intifada if they are not met. Abbas has got Bush on his side. He knows it's now or never to get his "wish list" in full. Some things have been said to be non-negotiable, such as right of return. Why not Jerusalem.
8. Olmert is a liar... Watch this clip
Arthur ,   SF, CA   (10.09.07)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0v1To8B4_A
9. Now that GW & Rice has Releasrd the Bad,& rearmed them with
Roy C. Hudson ,   Pitteburg, USA   (10.09.07)
Rockets, Guns,& Bombs on all sides. Abbas & Hamas & ect, are now ready for the next phase of war on Israel. If Jerusalem is not for free then we start the next Phase. They will hide behind their women & kids & start shooting again. Because Israel is the Bad one.!! & all nations will see the poor little child that got hungry and shot all up by the Bad IDF..May 14/2008 will be 60 years of this. I saw the star of David go upi that day. & my mother said: Israel is going Home to stay this time. God will see to it. See how the Nation of Israel has grown in the Face of war every Day. and see how the Enemy is still setting in the Dirt. EU, USA,UK,and some in the UN along with Israel has given them Food, Land & care, Money Life and time to come around to common sense, & they Have none among them.Only Hate for all that don't believe Their paper back book. God said; that is how they would be until their time run out. then he would feed the Buzzards until they were drunk and sick of it. That might be to graphic to print. but God said it in my book.I'm bold enough to pass it on. it's his Plan for them. GW'& Rice Plan is not in the Book so it can't ever work. Israel send them Home and get on with it. ok? YFRoy, USA.
10. The Value of Olmerts' Promises
Wild ,   Bill   (10.09.07)
NO VALUE
11. Did he lie? Do politicians lie? Yes, dear heart...
(10.09.07)
that is what they get paid to do. Blame the people who believe them, who voted them into office. Or does Israel have voting machines that are controlled by the mafia like America does? The Hal Lindsey Report said even the US Presidential elections are determined by the mafia who own the two computer voter systems used. So now the Europeans know how George Bush go elected twice. When Jerusalem is divided and the judgment for America is that America will be divided if America is responsible for the division of Jerusalem, it will be too late and the world will be headed into Armageddon without remedy.
12. Let's see Shas resign & force an election!
Nannette ,   London   (10.09.07)
They're as bad as Olmerde and so is Avigdor Lieberman, as long as their pockets are lined, what do they REALLY care?
13. irrelevant in joint Israeli-Palestini-American declaration
(10.09.07)
so, Olmert will keep his promise only for Israeli-Palestinian declaration.
14. BYE BYE SHAS! WELCOME NEW PREMIER!
stude ham   (10.09.07)
Olmert is being a deceptive sonovabi.ch and his words ring of total surrender... of the kind that led to the sudetenland disaster of 1938. Olmert is under too many corruption investigations anyways to be credible and must resign if not be forced out of office already. Come on Israel... wake up!
15. Shas and Yisrael Bateinu: Isn't it about time you leave
Joseph P. ,   Jerusalem   (10.09.07)
tthe coalition and bring about the collapse of this corrupt anti-Israel government? Otherwise, very soon you might find yourselves with Arab leaders.
16. SELLING OUT
DAVID ,   JUDEA   (10.09.07)
Shas and its leaders have a history that includes financial improprieties. Unfortunaly all they care about is their own budget, meanwhile supporting a open anti torah mitzvoth leadership. Sharing the seats of power makes shas just as much responsible for the destruction and corruption happening in front of our eyes. The Talmud warns one to choose ones friends and neighbors carefully, in order to avoid bad influences. It is baffling that Rav Ovadia would allow the company of olmert ,who does not deserve any respect nor honor from anyone. The fact that shas and its leaders can endorse any negotiations returning our land, goes against any halacha no matter what. It is time to understand that we do not need to convince the world that we inherited this land, we just need to convince ourselves. The nations of the world are just doing what they are supposed to be doing in their historical role towards us. Shas is just another proof, how we are our own worst enemy.
17. Jerusalem is already divided
Simon ,   Tel Aviv   (10.09.07)
Mayor Lupolianski in his term of office has alianted Jerusalem from main stream Israel by turning the city in to a ultra orthadox ghetto. A city of hatred and intollerance. Therefore i personaly dont care about Jerusalem, divide it between the Palestinians and the Harideem.
18. Shas it's performing a mitzvah haba averah.
Michael   (10.09.07)
if it stays in the Government. It is Mind boggling, to understand how any real torah party can rationalize to themselves staying in the government. Is this what Torah teaches? to give away G-d's gift to the Jewish People. Woe is to the nation of Israel!
19. #16
james ,   Jerusalem   (10.09.07)
You potray yourself as a religious jew yet you lack the fundementals in judaism, namley the respect for our leaders. Though i am not a sefaradi- rabbi yosef genius in halacha goes undisputed. It is therefore incomprehensible how someone like yourself feels competent enough to suggest that the Rabbi is going against Halacha.
20. Money And The Tale Of The Apple!
Yoni ,   Nahariya   (10.09.07)
Bus from Bnai Brak to Jerusalem, nearly full, all chasidim. At last Bnai Brak stop, pretty young thing in skimpy outfit boards bus, has to sit next to a chasid. He squirms a while, then reaches into his knapsack and hands her an apple. "What's this?" she inquires. "an apple." "Why did you give me an apple?" she persists. "Because until Eve ate the apple, she didn't realize she was naked!" The next morning, she again boards the same bus making the same run to Jerusalem. She is better attired, and sits next to the same Chasid, and hands him an apple. "What's this?" he asks, suspiciously . "An apple" she shoots back. "Why an apple?" he inquires. "Because until Adam ate the apple, he didn't know he had to work for a living." Story courtesy of Orit Haddar
21. NR 19 JAMES
DAVID ,   JUDEA   (10.09.07)
First of all before you start making accusations like that,it is important for you to know that halacha has different approaches and viewpoints by the rabbis. Second of all one does not blindly respect its leaders and follows them in everything they do or say,no matter what their status is. The fact that shas can be in the same place as our hellenists leaders, forces one to question their motive and wisdom. Besides that we live in a time were true leadership seems to be missing.
22. #16 DAVID
Jake T ,   Alaska   (10.09.07)
How right you are when you say "It is time to understand that we do not need to convince the world that we inherited this land, we just need to convince ourselves. The nations of the world are just doing what they are supposed to be doing in their historical role towards us." So true. If you had an unifying belief in the righteousness of your cause, the "politically correct" world out there would have to listen and reconsider, in spite of its many prejudices. But if it sees you divided, apologetic toward the Arabs, and doubting yourself, it plunges ahead with its destructive agenda. And it's your duty as a Jew to expose religious leaders who are not serving the nation of Israel.
23. The very Thought of giving J'lem to PLo,ticks me off good !!
Roy c. Hudson ,   Pittsburg, USA   (10.09.07)
It should do much more to all the Jews in this world, & all that are of the true Christian. The universal apostate religion has no love for the Land of Israel, Like the Islam, they only want to control of it.Divide & conquer is all they want to do. Israel is Gods Nation, Gods People,& Gods Land. No need for speculation on how it will come out . God said: I that hung the Moon & the Stares come in the volume of a book written of me.I will save the House of David for my new start on earth. I am ashamed of my President GW.& all before & after that has & will agree to give the PLO or under any other name, any part of Israel to anyone. it is not ours to give. it all belongs to Gods elect. Jacobs Kids. it really ticks me off to see all the nations of the world lead by GW.of the USA leading the Gentile Pack.! 1492 to 1992 =500 years for a Great land the USA. our time has come & gone. & we are all but over run by our enemy that hate us, USA. Why? Diversity of gods & cultures was not our Strength. it was God & his Son.! Daddy Bush said Land for Peace,& His Son has us fighting a war that can't be won by the Daddy Bush vision. it has taken us to, Zechariah: 12;1-9, God said: I will seek away to destroy all Nations that come & Fight for Jerusalem. My City that I gave away the the Children of Jacob Israel. The USA is now fighting for the PLO on Credit. ! ! Hey, I could be wrong you know, but this has been my own personal study since may,14/1948. I think i have a good Clue who will win & who will be sorry, ok? Roy C. H. USA
24. 17!!!!!!!! LOL you live in Tel Aviv and speak for Jerusalem
Moishele ,   Jerusalem   (10.09.07)
Lupoliansky didn't do any evil or division to this town, And I'm far for being Charedi, and a totally open minded person - Check your hatred man
25. Olmert can divide Israel like a cake...
Helene ,   Israel   (10.09.07)
between its Arab neighbours in exchange for peace. The "peace" he achieves includes abs exploding themselves right and left just like today in order to kill a few Jews and to spread terror. The reason is very simple. It is not about the land. It is about a completely different issue... As long as there are Jews in Israel, the Arabs won't be content! - Try to solve THAT problem on the so called "peace conference"... Good luck...
26. Olmert doesnt even need to discuss Jerusalem
zionist forever   (10.09.07)
He has allready as good as signed a contract of sale. There is more than a month before this conference is to start and Olmert has allready done a deal with Abbas that Jordan will have full soverignty over Temple Mount and most of the old city if Abbas is the moderate everybody says he is maybe he will let Israel keep the jewsish quarter and the Kotel but dont expect to even get that without a fight. The Golan all Olmert is waiting for is the American green light to hand over the Golan to Assad with a smile. No part of Israel is safe under this man all the enemies have to do is smile and ask how much he wants and he will gladly sell the whole country piece by piece. The man belongs in an insane asylum not the primeministers office. As for Rabbi Ovadia and Shas you ever heard the saying G-D helps those who help themselves. As long as you continue to help keep this government in power by not resigning from the coalition then your just as guilty as he is when Jerusalem has been sold you cant claim that you were inocent. If you care about Jerusalem or any other part of Israel pull your party out of the coalition now and we will be one step closer to bringing down Olmert and saving the country before its to late.
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