At least we see some light at the end of the tunnel that would require the Zionist State to comply with international law and UN resolutions concerning the Palestinian refugees that Ben-Gurion told Moshe Dayan to expel. It's enough suffering, and Hashem will eventually bring about the dissolution of the anti-Jewish regime in the Holy Land. Amen.

Invicta, sweetness, do you now how little the average Euro (or American) knows about politics? And yet, so many of them think they know something! I was willing to educate you by suggesting some sources that you could actually read. Now why don't you stop watching that crappy TV for a moment or that useless rag of newspaper, and learn something already?

Remember we live in a vindictive world. You should negotiate that they can come back to Gaza and the West Bank. It won't be easy for so many people to be absorbed by their fellow Palestinians.

Just because misguided EU members would like to bring a razor to the conference does not mean that Israel will use it to slit her wrists. Right of return is a non-negotiable demand. Somebody ought to remind these appeasing oil-guzzling monkeys that the Jews have retaken Masada--- permanently.

we fought the cold war to prevent the russkies from overrunning Europe. Certainly, for the last 100 years at least, the Europeans have bothched the job. We should have let the Russkies overrun Europe.

OLMERT ABBAS ARAB LEGUE IRAN CONDI RICE EU ISRAELS LEFT AND THE RIGHT WHO REFUSE TO WITHDRAW FRIOM THE GOVERNMENT TO BRING IT DOWN. This November conference wont be about bringing peace to Israel its going to be about bringing about its downfall through stealth. Israels own leadership wants to destroy the country in the name of pece. The palestians, Arab Legue and Iran all want to destroy Israel because they never wanted it there to begin with so instead they say they want to do this for peace not to drive the jews into the sea. Condaliza Rice is no friend to Israel and the Bush administration itself is turning on Israel because Bush wants to be remebered for something other that war in Iraq when he goes in less than 1 year. The EU has allways been more pro arab than Israel now they are just prooving it by again saying its all in the name of peace. Israel is also being betrayed by its own left wing and the right wingers in this crooked regime who say they are against all these policies but support them to stay in government. If something isnt done soon there will be no more jewish state peace with the arabs will achive what war with them never could.

Olmert loves the Abbas and the palestians more than he loves Israelis thats the thiing that strikes the death blow. If Abbas wants it because he is not Hamas so he is a nice man and anything he can do to help this nice man he will do it doesnt matter if the Israeli people are against the idea its only 2% of them who would vote for him anyway. Ignore the Israelis because they are not his friends instead its be nice to the palestians they want to be my friend, they want to help me get a nobel prize and a place in the history books as the Ghandi of the Middle East. JERUSALEM -this former mayor of Jerusalem who once talked about it being the unidivided capital of Israel he has allready done a secret deal with Abbas on that one and thats even before we get to this conference. BORDERS - I am sure he and Abbas have reached their little agreements allready. REFUGEES - If Abbas says he wants it and he cant accept any deal without that then they will find some kind of deal allowing Abbas to have that by stealth. He has just agreed to allow 3500 palestians who came he with a 3 month tourist visa but illigaly stayed for 10 years they have now been formerly granted permanent residence status its what Abbas wants and its all in the name of peace. He will probably do some kind of other deal like Barak offered Arafat based on familiy reunification and right of return given for a certain number of so called refugees that have never stepped foot in Israel before. They will just find some way of expanding that to include any palestian that wants to come to Israel can. PRISONERS - we allready know that Olmert is releasiong men with blood on their hands as goodwill getusres made for Ramadam ..., Abbas did demand them. By the end of the year the killers will be flooding the streets again. GOLAN - he has been holding secret talks with Assad he has been saying how much he respects the man once the US give the green light which they allmost certainly will with Condi running things then Olmert will formerly hand the entire Golan over to Assad probably with a little bonus as compensation for keeping the place for 40 years even though the Assad family wanted it. Its sickening Israel has a dictaitor who is leading the country down road to destruction and there are just a few hundred Israelis who come out onto the streets and say anything where are the mass demostrations we would be seeing in any other clountry if their leaders had just started to do anything they liked and were selling out the whole country.

Forget these people - just keep building the country and get ready to fend off an attack fromt he EU countries - figgit - go nuclear

Israel stand firm and stop giving your land away. There will never be peace with terrorists. Your land was deeded to you by the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The only people with the "right of return" are all Jewish people to thier rightful land of Israel. Give nothing, and boldly take and defend all that belongs to you. Mashiach ben David is coming soon. Your King will defend you.

what's wrong with that !! Palestinians forced out of there homes by force and masscaras and brutality against the villages and terrorism. Israel still terrorise people in west bank and steal more and more land every day. One day justice will be served.

why would anybody want to trade their free country for a dhimmi status in a foreign?

all the way to the box cars once again. And once again it is the self-serving, self-important Jews who will land a hand delivering their countryman to the enemy in the delusional hope that they and theirs will be spared. Olmert and his Judenrat buddies must go and go immediately, before it is too late and we will have to ask again how the world could have permitted the unthinkable to happen. Europe hasn't changed one bit and the Pope is silent again. Whatever happened to ‘NEVER AGAIN’?

The Arabs deserve the right to return to their national historical homeland. Therefore, the EU should start putting pressure upon Saudi ARABia to allow the refugees to return. After all, with all that space and trillions of dollars of oil money, there should be no problem providing them with very comfortable living conditions. The fact that some of their ancestors moved to the Land of Israel as part of one of the many settlement programmes following colonial military expansionism by the Islamic Empire, does not mean that the Land of Israel has become their national historical homeland. AND before anyone on the illiberal left berates me for racism, I have not called for the forced expulsion of anyone. That seems to be an idea reserved for the PLO/Hamas/Hizbollah/Al Qaeda/Iran, the leaders of the Islamic world and their supporter in the west.

It is silly for Israelis to claim a God gave them the right, even as converts or descendents of converts, to land lived on by people for centuries prior to your arrival, and then expect to get away with denying their right of return that was forcibly denied them by Israel. The same rights should apply to any Jews that were forcibly denied their right to return to Arab states in which they were citizens and had their homes destroyed or confiscated if they wish to exchange current citizenship for renewal of their citizenship in an Arab state once peace has been made. But the two are separate issues, and the Palestinians rights must not predicated upon actions of others that they had no role in and have no control over.

Europe does not support Israel and with all due respect, what notice you wish to give re expelled Jews. Jews have 2000 year-long history of being expelled and persecuted in about every country in Europe and the Middle East and North Africa that's why finally Israel was restored as a JEWISH state and a safe-harbor to all Jews. Do you honestly suggest that the Jews do not merit an independent state? Why not? Jews have a long, a very long history, tradition, distinct language and culture and religion. Why does Bosnian, Albanians in Kosovo, 'Palestinians' merit an independent state and not Jews? As a European, a generic European, as I see, you obviously have no appreciation for any specific culture. Do you identify with any culture or tradition? Will you be happy to live under sharia when the Muslims outbreed you? Who are you and what do you represent, you EUROPEAN? Do you have any values worth fighting for, other than a shorter work-week and higher pensions?

The "Palestinians" left their lands WILLINGLY, under the advice of Israel's enemies as they prepared each of the several successive failures that were the Arab's attempts to steal the Jewish homeland. Having learned and re-learned their obvious military inferiority, the Arabs now fall back on their traditional skills of deceit, treachery, and thievery in pursuing the Euro's incomplete Holocaust. That Europeans sympathetic to Jew-hating bigots shamelessly defend the terrorists and blame the victims, as they did seventy years ago, will stand to their everlasting disgrace.

#45, you make a good point. In fact, very, very few of those who live in Europe think of themselves first as "Europeans." (Something like 5%?) "European" is a fake nationality with no content per se. This vacuum is filled with nonsense like Invicta's.

She has enough integrity to admit that she was unaware of the massive expulsion of Jews from Muslim countries of the Middle East, but she still believes she can speak with certitude that the EU is not anti-Israel. Hm. And, when I she might want to read up on relevant issues, and mention an author, Bat Ye'or, who has discussed a plot involving Muslim immigration and integration with Europe (_Eurabia_), she is not interested. P.S.: I expect that she's a Brit who perhaps lives outside of Britain. Britain, under Tony Blair, was apparently the main terrorist nexus in Europe.

You say :"right of return ". Leaders of the surrounding countries called on ALL the Palestinian Arabs to flee Israel in 1948 -- and as a consequence of THAT instruction 711,000 Palestinian Arabs fled Israel in 1948. SO, Mrs Hohmann, you can NOT blame Israel for the 711,000 Palestinian Arabs' plight. IF you want to blame -- you SHOULD blame Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon for the Palestinian Arab-refugee-problem. SO, Mrs Hohmann, how to SOLVE the Palestinian Arab-refugee-issue ? The answer is VERY simple : ask Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon to ABSORB and integrate those 711,000 Palestinian Arab refugees in their OWN country !!! BTW Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon started the war against Israel -- and those 5 Arab countries lost the war of 1948, so they should NOT cry about territory lost to Israel !!! SO, Mrs Hohmann it will be UNfair, UNjust and dishonest from your side to blame Israel for the Palestinian Arab-refugee-problem !!! And btw Palestinian Arabs are NOT allowed to return to Judea and Samaria, nowadays known as the West Bank !!!

The Only thing has been is how to Kill the Jews. The Mind set in all of the Children will lasr for many years. Mr.Abbas is telling how much land he has to have before any peace in the Land, The Return of the Generations of the same mind set,could only be a disaster in the making. The Arabs has used then as a tool against Israel all this time. None of the Moslam ststes will take them as their oun, that is not the Fault of Israel . They run fot their life when the Arabs, Egypt etc all come in that little piece of land. That was not of Israel's doing. The root of the conflict is, God gave the Land to Jacob.it is in the Heart of all nations to kill out the Jews.If it Kills all their kids. I am ashamed that My Presidents of the USA has changed sides, Forced Mr.Olnert to foreget all the above and drop it, and go with the Flow of the Will of the people that have no right to please the Arafat PLO and give it up. Isa:28;14-23 & Daniel:9:27 is what the EU man Has planed, when the GW Bush deal goes down & out, That is the road we are on now. & Mr. GW don't have a clue tha part he has played in this attack on Isreal. Zech:12-1-10 is how God will save Israel. I will seek away to destroy all nations that come against Jerusalem my Land, My elect, the Jews. If you can read this much. you have had the good news for Israel. YF Roy C.H . USA

This is the underlying message of this creep's TBs. In previous ones, for example, he has complained about Jewish "racism," to which the obvious response is (1) Arabs aren't a race, and (2) anyone can convert and be a Jew. Now, he suggests that converts are not real Jews, thus implying that only a Jew by "race" might have some claim to the land. Of course, if Jews really were racists in this way, rejecting conversion, he would immediately complain about this as well--and call it racist. His only guide to which rhetorical tricks to play is how best to vilify Jews. In fact, the Pals aren't a nationality or a people. They're just Arabs, some from Egypt (like Arafat), some from Greater Syria, etc., who scurried to what was a barely populated land to get jobs from the Zionists. The whole nation-state system is a recent Western imposition, and it is manifestly idiotic to think of different Arabs primarily by where they reside in today's nation-state system. Regardless, these "Pals" pretend to a nationality, reject Jordan, which was supposed to be "their" state (an illegal trick played by our friends the Brits), and now want a second homeland for their nonexistent nationality. Anyway, all this rights talk is pure garbage. Israel, from the Med to the Jordan, was created as the Jewish homeland. A slew of illegal wars by killer Muslims doesn't change this fact. If Israel's biggies weren't so fearful of believing Jews, and weren't such cowards as well, they would tell the Euros, Bush, and Condi to bugger off.

This is typical Muslim dishonesty. Observe it carefully. Jews were originally the "Palestinians," so Arabs decided to grab the name that had become familiar but use it for themselves, proclaiming themselves the original inhabitants. Similarly, Israel has a Law of the Return, and Muzzies in response come up with a "Right of Return" that echoes that law. Of course, a state can have a law for itself, but it cannot proclaim an "international right." Furthermore, a non-state actor (e.g. the "Palestinians") can't even have the ability to have a vote in a nation-state system. And yet, this obvious nonsense is discussed as if the "right" existed--even by Israel's idiots at the top. There is no such "right" in the history of international law, and the ONLY attempt to establish one has been, drum roll, at the expense of the Jews.

It is sad to see that you subscribe to such racist ideals that you would deny the existence of a people whose ancestors lived in Palestine for centuries, especially since you live in the United States. And since you are a racist, please do not pretend to speak for me or attempt to interpret my intentions, as anyone whose brain is polluted by racism as your clearly is, is in no position to interpret the posts of others. Regarding you ludicrous ranting about the non-existence of a people who clearly did exist at the time, the Zionist's claim of "a people without a land and a land without a people” has been thoroughly debunked as Palestine was heavily populated and prosperous long before Europe’s Jews set their sights upon it. But in typical Zionist fashion, the Zionist's selfishness and greed overshadows the teachings of Judaism as well as the morals and values that separate humans from animals.

Why do we constantly talk about what we can give to the arabs but nobody ever says what can the jews get out of all of this. Syria wants the Golan but seems to forget the fact there are thousands of dunams of land bought from Syria for the jews by the Edmund De Rothschild and other zionists during the early 20th century. The Golan itself is a tiny fraction of the amount of jewish land thats been taken by Syria both the land bought by the zionists and the land that belonged to individual jews before they were expelled by force in 1948. There is plenty of talk about palestians financial compensation in return for abandoning this right of return idea and giving up claims to all this property or even financial compensation and a right of return but nobody is offering the jews even 1 shekel as compensation. Israels politicians belong in a circus rather than being allowed to run the country allways its about apologising to the palestians for us winning the wars the arabs started and then what can we do for them but nobody is interested in Israel. No other country in the world would allow itself to be pushed around lin this way and would be saying to the arabs you started the war, you lost the war we won we are keeping the land throughout the history of warfare its been winner gets the rewards The arab leaders they are geniuses they know when they want something they dont compromise they will hold out for decades with the same demands but in Israel its just push us hard enough and we will slowely surrender and accept your demands. Its this attitude of surrender that is responsible for the jews being pushed around for the past 2000 years and without a state and if it continues much longer the jews will again find themselves without a state because they they didnt want all the hassles that came with having a jewish state. Unless your willing to fight to keep something either politicly or millitarily then you dont deserve it and unless Israel starts to fight its corner instead of just doing as its told then Israel doesnt deserve the things it wants.

You say :".. Palestine was heavily populated ..". WHEN British Mandate of Palestine was created in 1922 there were 668,000 Arabs living in British Mandate Palestine. AND you call this to be "heavily populated" ??? I see you have some problems with proportionality ! BTW Israel, Judea & Samaria (nowadays known as the West Bank), and Gaza Strip -- than, in 1922, known as the British Mandate of Palestine -- now, anno 2007, have a total population of 12 million inhabitants. BTW SK is right in accusing you of "history manipulation" -- as a consequence of that you can NOT be trustworthy !!! AS such, you are in NO position to teach anyone anything !!!

to take their land, AND have been Working on it.

Have you read your talk back, did you think about it for a minute? Your a racist, silly, uneducated, bored, and certainly not intouch with realty. You say or think that pre 1948 this land was prosperous due to the arab inhabitants, you cant beleive that i know you dint read that anywhere. I wonder why you fellow arab country, some rich in oil are in worse economic shape than gaza and i think we all agree gaza is a toilet thanks to people like you. Answer me this knowitall, who was the leader of your arab inhabatants pre 1948? what type of curuncy did they use? what type of goverment did they use? did they have laws? the answer to all the above is NO and NOthing. knowitall only after reading my post can you now claim you knowitall. LOSER it takes more than crying, stealing, terror to build a nation. It takes brains and human dignity, something you and yours will never have.

Put pressure on Palestinians, not Israel. There is no right of return since they left voluntarily when their leaders told them to. Now they should be absorbed into the other 22 Arab countries. Israel is a small country and has no room. It is time that the Arabs show initiatives for peace and release the captured soldiers and tell the World what they are going to sacrifice for their peace. No more hate and suicide bombing. They should not be rewarded with a state. You are encouraging the hatred!! No one can make peace with the Arabs if they don't want peace. You know that.