Abbas says there is real possibility for achieving peace
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Published: 05.11.07, 14:45
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1. Happy, Happy Abbas
Marcel ,   Florida   (11.05.07)
His Peace,Islam's peace means the destruction of Israel. he is happy because he has the help of Herr Bush and the lower marsh rice rat .
2. The Arabs must make very painful concessions for real peace:
Uzi ,   Haifa   (11.05.07)
The Arabs of the Land of Israel consistently demonstrate that they don't want, can't make and won't maintain real peace. They do want, however, to weaken Israel by gaining territory without 'giving' anything tangible. They ignore that "possession is nine tenths of the law" and that it's rather the Arabs who should come forward and spell out what they offer Israel in return for what they want. They also pretend not to get it that in this case "land for peace" is both immoral and unworkable. The Arabs had used the 'territories' to threaten, pester and attack Israel before we took these territories in self defence. They continue to plan, prepare and perpetrate genocide against Israel and pretend not to see that it would be suicide for Israel to concede anything in response to their threats and aggressive action. The Arabs must realize that the only way toward peace is that rather they themselves should offer, accept and be convincingly satisfied with 'painful' compromises.
3. There can never be separate Arab polity west of the Jordan:
Uzi ,   Haifa   (11.05.07)
The Arabs of Western Eretz Yisrael have consistently demonstrated that they are incapable of surviving unaided or ruling themselves, especially at the national polity level. They have never exercised their inherent right of self determination and now they expect others to determine and create for them that Mickey Mouse "state" which will never be. They constantly kill and steal from each other and lie to themselves, each other and the rest of the world. They never miss any opportunity to make atrocious choices and mistakes and they are incapable of sustaining and providing for themselves; they depend on others for everything. How on earth will they ever make it?
4. Equitable and practicable peace plan that may work:
Uzi ,   Haifa   (11.05.07)
Israel should let Hamas to depose Abbas and smash Fatah, also in Judea and Samaria, on their way to abolish the PA and wipe it off the world map and consciousness. Then Israel should get rid of Hamas. This will open the way for the Kingdom of Jordan to take charge as the only viable nation state of all the Arabs of Greater Palestine. Having got rid of the PA and Hamas, Israel and Jordan should agree on the border between them in Judea and Samaria and maybe cede Gaza to Egypt that would sort it out quite smartly. Everybody, Jews and Arabs, should continue to live in peace where they are and nobody should move from their homes or land. Israelis who would thus become residents of the Kingdom of Jordan should be given rights and conditions like the Arabs in Israel.
5. Israel Calls on Abbas to Fulfill ANY of the Road Map
J K ,   NYC, USA   (11.05.07)
Thats a headline I'd like to see. What has the PA done at all? Israel must always give give give and only THEN will the Arabs do anything. Ridiculous. There are still shootings, missile attacks, slanderous media...I mean, honestly...has the PA done ANYTHING? Anything at all. Tell me. One thing. Once again, its the Arab demand list to the rescue.
6. "Real possibility for peace"
Sam ,   Canada   (11.05.07)
What has Olmert offered Abbas that Abbas is so enthusiastic about peace? I'm sure Jews would love to know. What has Mr. Abbas offered in return?
7. The credibility problem
Michael   (11.05.07)
The Palestinians have been saying the same thing since oslo 1. We will reform the security services. yet, for 14 years they've been saying it. Why can't the Palestinans show some serious signs? Like stop teaching Hate n their schools? Peace between enemies requires both sides to show Tangible, real steps. Having settlement freezes causes israeli civilians hardships and the palestinians are doing what exactly? NOTHING. They have been promising the same one item for 14 years. Would any corporation in the world make a bussiness deal, when one side ships goods based on a promise,in the future to pay? the answer is no. Certainly, when peoples' lives are concerned this kind of "Peace DEAL" is anything but a deal that will promote peace. Today's western leaders will go down in History as the "Lunatics of the 21st century" and this process will accelerate the Muslims goal of dominating the west. Where have all the wise men gone??
8. After Annapolis ....
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (11.05.07)
Either Abbas will be back in bed with Hamas, he will be dead, or he will be living in Egypt or some other Arab country. Who would like to bet that he's already transfered his assets overseas as I'm sure most Fatah thieves have done? Just this morning, there was a report that Abbas would not attend the conference unless he had a document garanteeing his demands. What we are seeing is a conference that is fast becoming irrelevent. It will be billed as a success only because America's prestige is on the line. It will be totally meaningless. In the meantime, Condoleeza Rice should be more concerned with Pakistan. Here is another American policy unraveling. Would anyone like to make a list of Condoleeza Rice's successes? Well, this conference won't be number one on a list of zero successes.
9. Abbas speaks for donations only
Shadi Fadda ,   Tuzla, Bosnia & Herz   (11.05.07)
Abbas had a clear picture of peace with current Israeli as well as Palestinian government, neither of which represent their people, is not possible. He is just doing some marketting to get cash, that is all Fatah cares about. Israel is continuing with Wall, Settlement Exapnation, Olive stealing... and the PEACE conference is ahead, for marketting. The third intifada is on its way, probably after the coming conference. So long as Israel is dissatisfied with the 78% of the Land, and Fatah members with the Villas and cars their seniors own, there is no chance for any solution.
10. #9 "Israel dissatisfied with 78% of land"
Sam ,   Canada   (11.05.07)
I keep hearing this kind of comment (land percentages) from Palestinians and Moslems. The issue is not percentages. The issue is the settlement blocs Israel wishes to retain or trade and the subject of Jerusalem. If Palestinian supporters look for reasons not to have peace then they can be sure they will not have it. Palestinians should understand what MOST Israelis are looking for before they jump to conclusions.
11. Optimism
Richard ,   London UK   (11.05.07)
. If the Israeli and US governments are prepared to endorse Mr Abbas then he has to have some legitimacy. No-one is that attractive in this scenario certainly not Bush or Hamas but i believe that the best way to solve the issue is to talk. As has been the case for many years the Palestinians have been at a massive disadvantage as they have faced down a country which has had the US veto and US hardware behind it. Now there might be some parity and some signs of fairness.
12. Abbas Incapable of Meeting Any Demands, Helpless
David P. ,   Central Coast, USA   (11.05.07)
there will never be a Pali state in Israel, Never, Aff-Pom-Lo!!!
13. to 8 terry
layla ,   jerusalem   (11.05.07)
you are mr. anti .. antipalastinians ,antiisrailian and anti american you are with yourselfe only .. and the athers is so .. but me is anti terry only ... hahaha
14. #13 - Layla
Joe ,   Los Angeles, CA   (11.05.07)
Is all you have against Terry insults and jeers? If you truly hate him so much, try to debunk his arguments by using facts and logic. If you can't (and I truly doubt you can), you must be forced to submit to the truth of his statements, regardless of how you feel about them. Remember Layla: "The Truth has come and falsehood has vanished; surely falsehood is a vanishing thing."
15. Abbas says
eynav Benjamin ,   ny   (11.05.07)
Abbas says there is real possibility for achieving peace. Another pipe dream .You can’t have peace between two parties when one of the parties is based on a lie they are not Palestinian they are Arabs..
16. #2
Richard ,   London UK   (11.05.07)
In typical aggressor fashion you claim that israel 'took these territories in self defence'. This is the language of the colonialst and the aggressor. You also claim that Palestinians are perpetuating a 'Genocide' against Israel. Really? So if Palestinains are committing genocide how would you describe what israel is doing to Palestinians seeing as more Palestinians are dying and they live in miserable conditions and are denied any dignity or freedom of movement even in the open prison that Israel has shoved them into?
17. layla #13 terry #* is right here are some facts.
Eynav Benjamin ,   ny   (11.05.07)
1. Israel became a state circa 1030 B.C., more than two millennia before Islam. 2. Arabs from Israel first began to be called "Palestinians" in 1967 by Yasser Arafat and other Arab leaders, two decades after modern Israeli statehood. 3. After conquering the land in about 1250 B.C., Jews ruled it for more than 1,300 years and have maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years. 4. For over 3,000 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule, (East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it. 5. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur'an. 6. King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it. 7. Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem. 8. In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence—some 70% of them fled without ever being ordered by Israel to leave, most of those without ever having seen an Israeli soldier. 9. Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms. 10. Some 650,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while about 850,000 Jews were forced to leave Muslim countries. 11. In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees from Palestine were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War II, they are the only group to have never integrated with their coreligionists. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel, a country no larger than New Jersey. 12. There are 22 Arab countries (with 800 times the land mass of Israel), not counting the Palestinian territories. There is only one Jewish state. Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them. 13. The Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel. Israel has agreed under several proposals to cede most of the West Bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian Authority, and even supported the arming of its police force after the Oslo Accords in 1993. 14. During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths and maintained in good order at Israel’s expense. 15. Out of 175 United Nations Security Council resolutions up to 1990, 97 were against Israel; out of 690 General Assembly resolutions, 429 were against Israel; 16. The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the Temple Mount and Western Wall
18. SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !................
Avrohom Bilgrei ,   United States   (11.05.07)
19. Richard #16
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (11.05.07)
Man you are funny. 'In typical aggressor fashion you claim that israel 'took these territories in self defence'. This is the language of the colonialst and the aggressor. ' From the largest colonial power in the world, that is truly funny. 'You also claim that Palestinians are perpetuating a 'Genocide' against Israel. Really? So if Palestinains are committing genocide how would you describe what israel is doing to Palestinians seeing as more Palestinians are dying and they live in miserable conditions and are denied any dignity or freedom of movement even in the open prison that Israel has shoved them into? ' Genocide is a term that you might learn about. It is the targeting of people because of who they are. Since the Arabs targets are all Jews that is genocide whereas we endeavor to end the agression by the Arabs means that we are taking on people for their ACTIONS. But we are not attempting to murder like they are. Just because we are better at defense than the Arabs are at genocide doesn't make them the victim. More criminals are killed by police than police killed by criminals so which one is wrong?
20. this has nothing to do with peace its about Bush & Olmert
zionist forever   (11.05.07)
Annapolis has nothing to do with making real peace its about Olmert & Bush turniing a blind eye to reality in exchange for political legacies. Abbas naturaly is taking advantage of those corupt political ideas and screwing everybody before Israel and the US start ellecting compitant leaders. Olmert wants a nobel prize and to be remebered for something other than Israels most hated PM. Bush wants to be remebered for doing something in the Middle East other than screwing up Iraq. Let him get a deal that involves alot of smiling for cameras and shaking hands on the White House lawn then hey he will be gone in less than 1 year let the next president pick up the pieces .. he will go down in history as the man that got the signatures and smiles what happens after that when he leaves office isnt his problem he did his bit for the history books. Since Hamas took over as far as Olmert & the US have been concerned its what Abbas wants Abbas gets because he is not Hamas that makes him an honerable man of peace. If this was about peace and not politcal legacies then we wouldnt be sayiing I intend to do a deal before Bush leaves office or place any other kind of timetable on things peace comes when the situation on the ground can make REAL peace possible anything else is empty promises. A child promises to be good if you buy him a toy so you say good deal go to the toy store buy him his new toy then he gets home acts like a brat breaking all his promisess Israel especialy needs politicians that think like arabs instead of jews .. they see 2 states as part of a much bigger grander plan to get everything. Israel and its bunch of worthless idiots think about themselves as individuals not the good of the country and they are willing to give up everything if the arabs say the things they want to hear.
21. #16, I don't think Uzi habla ingles muy bien
Danny   (11.06.07)
He means if people like Hamas and Hizbollah could kill all Israelis they would which is hardly a contreversal point. As for the comment "In typical aggressor fashion you claim that israel 'took these territories in self defence'. This is the language of the colonialst and the aggressor." - I can assume now that you are a dead-pan satirist making fun of dumb-ass lefties in the UK. So an aggressor takes land in self-defence, so a defender does what? Even without the crazy logic employed by you, what Uzi said in this quote is strictly a fact. Israel is no longer in Gaza so that cuts out the land taken from Egypt in 1967, where you could make a [poor] case that it was not self-defence. In Syria and Jordan's case they indisputably attacked first. In Jordan's case they were explicitly asked to sit the war out but refused. I would genuinely like to believe you are a satirist because I find it hard to accept people can be as consistently wrong as you.
22. Action Items for Israel - A TRY for Abbas
Christy ,   Boston, US   (11.06.07)
Israel will -freeze settlement construction -remove illegal settlement outposts -ease Palestinian movement In return Israel gets a PROMISE: -Abbas said the Palestinians are ready to do their part, including trying to disarm Palestinian militants Note the TRYING to disarm. No guarantee of success. If you were a betting person, what odds would you give that the disarming would achieve success? This is a bad deal for Israel. Listen to what the Palis. have been saying - they want peace by having Israel gone. Have they changed their tune?
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