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Germans don’t owe us a dime
Yoram Kaniuk
Published: 12.11.07, 07:10
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31. of course they owe you; still, it's a mistake to ask
dante ,   uk   (11.12.07)
a deal was made. it was inadequate, even scandalous given the magnitude of the german crimes and their impact on the Jewish People. nonetheless, there wasn't an exact precedent and the people who negotiated the arrangement were doing something. btw: it should be noted that the germans administer the fund as if the reparations were a completely gratuitous gesture and, never far from the surface are the stereotypes of Jews trying to take advantage and images of the germans as victims. it is absurd but that is the way it is. under the circumstances, the Jews should desist from making further demands, pleas, requests, etc., however justified they may be.
32. What about the pain and sufering u caused to the Palestinian
Hakeem ,   Gaza   (11.12.07)
Do what you want done to you.
33. #32 what are you talking about?
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (11.13.07)
Just like the Germans, the Arabs started a war of genocide against the Jews. The Germans succeeded but after their defeat took responsibility. The Arabs have in the meantime failed despite having received more money than any other nation in history. Every day hundreds of Africans are dying from lack of funds so that Arabs can buy bombs and rockets. The only "pain and suffering" that Israel is guilty of causing is that we are still alive.
34. ### 33What are YOU talking about.
Ramachandran Nair ,   Thiruvannthapuram   (11.13.07)
Which Africans are dying so that Arabs can buy bombs? Where as the Americans are denied healthcare and other welfare measures and American youth denied graduation because it is so expensive. All the while Jews have extorted 1.6 trillion dollars from America since 1973
35. Nicely put bro #33
Brothah Gil ,   Tel Aviv   (11.13.07)
Kol hakavod ha tel aviv ahki ;-)
36. to facts and emotions
nizar ,   jerusalem   (11.13.07)
israil used the emotions to put the facts .. but sure these facts initiate a new emotions in germany and in other countries these are antisemetism .. i think israil like the antisemitism more than the others // now the question is the antisemitism is a fact or it is an emotion
37. A people without honour
Chanalau, Tova ,   London   (11.13.07)
Screwing money out of the Europeans and the US has become second nature to Israel. It is so accustomed to getting away with land theft , blacmail and worse that just the thought of another bag full of free cash has government ministers salivating like a pavlovian dogs. Self respect, generosity and honour went out the door decades ago at the same time st the Zionist bulldozers went on the rampage against the ancient towns and villages of a once peaceful land.
38. #37 Antisemitic insensitive comments
Elly ,   Vienna, Austria   (11.13.07)
#37 your comments are antisemitic and insensitive. I collect and I deserve it based on all that was stolen and the hardships we went through.
39. blood money
zichron   (11.14.07)
no money pays for the torture and murder of humanity and to accept money is comptetible . it is a new germany but a large number of people still hate the jews for whatever excuse
40. 39 pls consider that...
Gil ,   Tel Aviv   (11.14.07)
Its spelt Contemptable. Have a nice day ;-)
41. #40 please consider that
Richard ,   London UK   (11.14.07)
'its' is spelt 'it's'
42. Reparations
David Powell ,   Everett. Wa. USA   (11.14.07)
Hay. we are paying reparations to decendents of slaves that were brought to the North American continent from the time of the American revolution to the civil war and none of us were not around then. Figure that?
43. Holocaust children claims
Švob Melita ,   Zagreb, Croatia   (11.14.07)
Author of this article don't know real situation in East Europe where Holocaust survivors did not get any support , restitutiion and compensation until fall of Berlin wall and even now they are not second but third class of survivors because the have smallest amount of pension and support. Did they suffer less in concentration camps than Jews who live in USA ,West countries and Israel, They lived in very difficult circumstances all the time and for sure their suffering in Holocaust has not been recognized till now and for sure they have consequence till now. I think that author of article is not authorized to speak in the name of all Jews- - children Holocaust survivors. I am not in favour of asking new compensation I am speaking about the same treatment of Holocaust survivors whenever they live now and this is not only decision for Claims but also for German goverment.
44. Will you knock it off?
Glatze   (11.14.07)
No one has been holding up the Auschwitz banner infront of Germans except the Israeli government over the generations. Israeli citizens won't get down to this level - or otherwise they'd all be in politics already.
45. Dear Mr. Kaniuk, interesting point of view...
Patrick ,   Mannheim, Germany   (11.14.07)
And also in some respect a view I would agree, but in the last phrases of your article... well come on give your people some credit! Israel has so many enemies who want to destroy it, it astounds me how well Israel is doing in spite of all the troubles. There must be a whole bunch of great people in Israel. It is certainly right that I (as a grandson of German soldiers - One SS and the other one Wehrmacht) PERSONALLY am not responsible, but simply from a logical point of view: Why should Israel pay pensions for Holocaust-survivors who immigrated? Germany made them suffer, not Israel. The negotiation-request has already been positively acknowledged by our Govt. so we should sit down and talk about it. And please, comparing Iraqi refugees demanding compensation is sth. entirely different! We are Germany and not some Arab, country. It's not like you guys would rob a beggar. I don't think anyone will see the Israelis as "bowing down to the money". Except the usual jew haters, but they always perpetrate the lie of "the greedy jew", no matter what, so why listen to them now? However, if your govt. squandered the money, and came to us asking for more THAT would be a reason to be ashamed - and you can also get in line, because our Govt. wastes money on an even bigger scale. Just to put it into perspective: German companies make 4 billion in revenues per year with Iran. I think we can well afford to pay some people who had to suffer a few symbolic billions (money can never undo sth. but that is actually not the point). The Israelis should get a feel for the German mentality these days: We already said OK, SO: lets talk about it. Why isn't anyone from the Israli Govt. on a plane to Germany yet? You don't love the issue we certainly don't either! You say what you want, for how many people, and how much and you guarantee, that the people really get the money and this entire "more money" issue could be over within a fortnight. When Eitan now says he "wants the Germans to find some funds" he immediately sounds insincere to German ears, because what kind of thinking is that, where you come around "finding" some hidden funds of a few billion €s? ;-)
46. 41
Gil ,   Tel Aviv   (11.15.07)
Don't be ridiculous its not. Look in a dictionary idiot.
47. # 42
Michael ,   Minneapolis USA   (11.15.07)
I'm not sure what planet you're on, but we haven't paid any reparations to anyone....period. We, along with the Brits killed millions of native Americans, stole all their land, and paid them nothing, not even one memorial exists. As for the slaves, they were never paid period, their offsprings have not been paid, nor should they...because they never were slaves. You might want to take some history lessons on our nation, and the not so fun things we have done, including being the owner of one of mans greatest and longest genocide in history!!!
48. #47 you are right officaily
that despicable ,   racist   (11.15.07)
but since they all sell drugs and gang bang while living off of welfare checks paid by you......who really believes they don't get paid for their victim mentality?
49. They owe us much more than a dime!!!
Elieser ,   Antwerp, Belgium   (11.15.07)
They owe us much more because they stole much more money, gold properties, art objects, buisinesses and much more. What the have paid out is not even a fraction of what they owe us. It is not only Germany, but most of Europe! My grandfather came from Hungary. They had real estate there. We never saw even a dime from all of it. Please don't write rubbish if you don't know what you're talking about! And Ynet please don't publicise rubbish before doing your research!
50. This is all past
David G.   (11.16.07)
The current generation of tax payers in Germany have absolutely nothing to do with what fanatics did in the second world war. They cannot be held responsible for it, ant therefore have no obligation whatsoever to pay compensation to holocaust survivors. It's like those who want the current Ukrainian president, who was not even born at the time of the holocaust to appologize for it. Should I appologize to arabs because my ancestors massacred them during the crusades 800 years ago?
51. agreed
Lars ,   Germany   (11.20.07)
David G is correct. Why should my generation pay for something we did not do. If Israel took 1% off its defence budget, that should give a livable pension to the remaining survivors. And the children of victims suing for psychological trauma is ridiculous. That amounts essentially to a generation who did not murder having to pay a generation that was not murdered.
52. Chanalau, Tova , London is a Jew-hater
Yerach ,   Jerusalem,Israel   (02.19.08)
And this talkback as well as her others only proves that. Me thinks she is either an Islamist or BNP member the way she constantly berates Israel & the Jewish people!!!!
53. german compensation
daniel ,   australia   (02.28.08)
i agree its time to move on germany is a friend dont lets push her away
54. #27
Mannstein   (03.25.08)
Actually the US also owes the survivors. The US Air Force didn't bomb a certain railway bridge leading to Auschwitz in 1944. There is a Federal law suit which requires the US taxpayers pay $40 billion compensation beginning to make its way through the courts a we speak. Now if US tax payers had enough nerves to demand back all the money that they have sent to Israel every year for the last 60 years that would be Chutzpah.
55. No.49 - Elieser
François Brunet ,   Brussels, Belgium   (03.25.08)
Hey, Elieser, stop nagging and continue counting your diamonds before you ''lose track of them''
56. Germany
Mike in NYC ,   New York City, USA   (03.30.08)
Let's not forget Merkel's abhorrent display of abject self- and national-abasement during her recent Israel trip, where she spoke of the "shame" most Germans still feel for what happened decades ago. Recent opinion polls contradict her assertion. Does she have any idea of the damage her words do to the German national psyche? One can be pardoned for questioning her motives. It's time to let Germans be proud again. They had a long, glorious history prior to WWII, and have every right to reclaim it.
57. ISRAEL
Rupert Richart ,   canada   (04.29.08)
Israel is second best friend after U.S. That's what they said.Germany paid over a hundred billion U.S.dollars.If Israel would've taking that money to the bank in 1952, it would be tripled by now,and every body would be happy. No,No,they took the money and build houses on Palastinian land.Como'n people.It's the third generation of young people, it's not there fault what there parents did. Don't make them hate you, you need them, that's the only friends you have Jewish friends,I love all people,is it worth it to alienate every body in the world. There are a lot thing's to be said about all of that,please move on there is no golden rainbow waiting for you, you have to " manage " on your own,use your pride!!!!!!!!
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