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Barak: Israel should launch its own peace initiative
Roni Sofer
Published: 13.11.07, 07:54
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1. peace with syria is useless
Mordechai   (11.13.07)
2. Barak has said the right thing but his plans are wrong
zionist forever   (11.13.07)
1) No terrorist entity which they call a palestian state which will fail because the terrorists cant get their act together, it wont be territorial continuous. It will be the only country in the region wont be permited an army which will be considered a national humiliation. They have some small gas reserves in Gaza but nothing huge so for the short term they can sell gas but thats about it. We give them hothouses which had the potential to earn them millions of dollars and instead they destroy them. The solution is a palestian state in Jordan. Lots of money to the Jordanian government as a way of saying thanks, money as a gift to every individual that accepts the offer, Israel legaly anexes Judea & Samaria and builds some arab settlements which JORDANIANS will be permited to rent for a bellow average rent ( the Israeli government garuntees rent stays low ) The Jordanian government has responsibility for the mosque itself on Temple Mount but the main site belongs to Israel. The waqf is disolved because all they do is destroy archeology in the name of religion. In the north Israel will keep the Golan for good allthough Assad can have a token part so he can go back home with a prize of some kind and maybe some money in return for the rest so he can say they didnt screw me I got cash here which I will use to develop Syria. Baraks version of an Israel plan will be 98% of Judea & Samaria, Temple Mount and East Jerusalem given to the palestians along with a couple of hundred thousand of them being given of return. 2) The entire Golan to Assad. We know what Baraks plans are now he is just calling it the Israel plan to make it sound like its something all Israelis want. he can sense an ellection looming and the right wing at t he moment are more popular than the left so Barak is trying to look right wing but not go to far right.
3. No mystery there...
Alex ,   USA   (11.13.07)
I think we all know what Ehud Barak would propose for a peace plan. He offered to Arafat half a country already and got a bloody pogroms and demands for more. I have the greatest respect for Ehud Barak as an Israeli general. But he has been tried and found seriously crippled as a negotiator or politician. There must be a way for Israelis to get rid of "has beens" like Barak (don't get me started on Peres). They have tried and failed. They should be put to pasture so that new leaders can take charge. Israelis - it's time to reform your electoral system.
4. How about this one One State Plan: A Democratic Jewish State
David G   (11.13.07)
One Jewish state across Israel and the West Bank http://www.onestateplan.com/
5. This article brought me tears
Tzipi   (11.13.07)
Never in my life could I have imagined so many treasonous Israeli haters that are in the government and want to tear her to shreds. This country --so obviously blessed by Hashem, only after the Jews had returned from almost extinction to rise up in brilliance in every conceivable endeavor to benefit mankind. And yet, Israel is cursed with dreck that have no love for the land and respect for the blood spilled to ensure Israel remain in Jewish hands. I know it is about corruption, power, money, lack of reverance, global standing.....but still--it is inconceivable as a Jew and as a human being that all these people want to destroy her piece by piece and endanger the lives of so many. Israel---explain to me how this can continue to happen and you don't overhrow the gov't and they are not put on trial for treason? Remember NEVER AGAIN? Now your enemies are your "brothers and sisters" B'H"
6. Barak is a foolish little "man."
Steve ,   Fla.   (11.13.07)
Hasn't this male --- or is she, he, whatever, a male? --- learned anything from Sharon's folly? This was the exact same rationale Ariel Sharon used for the "disengagement" debacle. "We need to come up with our own plan before a worse plan is forced upon us!" Is Barak such a weasel? Is he / she / it such a contemptible little worm of a Jew that he cannot stand up to immoral Bush / Rice pressure? Are there any men remaining in Israel? Oy vey!
7. useless BARAK
john ,   bristow, USA   (11.13.07)
This man reminds me of president PERES. He is a loser and has no clue..He keeps shifting positions and now playing tough against what Condi want to do...which is much less that what he was ready to concede when he was Prime Minister..Israel should listen to Condi and US advice..after all withithout US help Israel would be in deep trouble...
8. There IS such a plan. The Israeli Initiative.
Raymond from DC ,   Washington, DC USA   (11.13.07)
Oslo is dead. There are no real, workable deals to be had with the PA. Recognize at last that they want to eliminate you, only in stages. It's time for a very different approach. http://www.israelinitiative.com
9. Oh you mean like 2000
ralphsrant1 ,   USA   (11.13.07)
Oh you mean like 2000 with Clinton when you wanted to give away everthing also? http://ralphsrant1.blogspot.com/
10. We need a "War Plan" -
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (11.13.07)
Considering how many threats we are facing, another "Peace Plan" is the last thing we need. If Barak can't figure it out, he should resign. Barak, you know the expression, "like a loch in kop"?
11. There IS a plan, and it IS called the Israeli Initiative
Roscio ,   Rome, Italy   (11.13.07)
Mr. Barak, just listen to the plan proposed by MK Benny Elon. If you ever looked at Ynet or other online sites, you would find the ad and the link right here. It is brilliant, coherent, respectful and has both Torah and Zionist values. None of that can be said for the current flounderings of the evil Olmert regime, of which you are a part now. Take down the current disgraceful government and push for the Israeli Initiative, and you will have taken a giant step toward helping Israel and a true peace, B"H.
12. ISRAELI SUICIDE BY LEFTISTS AND TRAITORS NO NEEDED
(11.13.07)
13. Barak : We should talk to Syria
I.Kemp ,   Nahariya Israel   (11.13.07)
This is another example of where capable military men make disastrous politicians
14. Biggest Nazi war criminal Alois Brunner has been in Syria
Ken Jurist   (11.13.07)
This Nazi mass murderer responsible for 140,000 Jews being exterminated and Israel for 40 years did nothing. The stupid Israeli leaders are a disgrace. This is why Kahane was barred in 1988. Kahane wanted to go after Brunner, but Barak wanted to let Brunner live free. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Brunner
15. Barak should learn from Turkey how to deal with Syria
David Stoler   (11.13.07)
Read this great article on Ynet. You know Barak would have surrendered Hatay to Syria if he was a Turk. Unlike Barak, Turkey dont believe in land for terror camps. The Golan was never part of Syria before 1946. It was part of the British mandate borders of 1917 that was supposed to go to Israel. Read this great article. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3347015,00.html
16. ONE LOOK....................................................
AVROHOM BILGREI ,   ZION   (11.13.07)
AT HIS SMILING IDIOT (ALFRED E NEWMAN LESS THE FRECKLES)FACE AND RECOGNITION OF HIS INANE ,VACUOUS , SELF SERVING, DUPLICITOUS ,IDIOTIC SUBSTANCE LESS SENTIMENT , AND I CRINGE AT THE FACT THAT SUCH SOPHOMORIC POLITICAL ASPIRANTS , COULD EVEN SURVIVE IN THE ELECTORAL PROCESS FOR A WEEK WITH SUCH INSIDIOUSLY STUPID POSTURING BEREFT OF EVEN A MODICUM OF SENSIBILITY ! IT IS INDEED SCARY TO KNOW THAT SUCH A FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP , HAS NOT BEEN RUN OUT OF TOWN ,TARRED AND FEATHERED ,AND RELEGATED TO THE DUNG HEAP OF POLITICAL INEPTITUDE ;IN SUCH A HELPLESS DOWNWARD SPIRAL INTO THE ABYSS OF FAILURE ,SO AS TO GUARANTEE HUMANITY AT LARGE THAT HE WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO EVER SEEK ANY PUBLIC POSITION AGAIN ,AND WOULD LOCKED INTO THAT STATUS INCONTROVERTIBLY ! I HAVE PASSIONATE POLITICAL VIEWS OF AN IDEOLOGICAL NATURE THAT DEMAND ONLY THE MOST CLEAR CUT ,VOCIFEROUS, HARD LINE RESOLUTIONS , FOR THOSE NOT COGNIZANT OF THE BASIS FOR MY VIEWS ! I'M NOT BASHFUL ! THIS MAN IS NOT EVEN ON THE RADAR SCREEN OF IDEOLOGY ! HE HAS NO IDEOLOGY ! HE'S A FAILURE ! HE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE VIABLE AS A CANDIDATE ! JUST KNOWING THERE'S SUCH AN INTELLECTUAL VACUUM IN ISRAEL IS EXASPERATING !!!!!!!!!!!!
17. #10 peace ban
(11.13.07)
Finally, someone said it. Barak is correct for the first time. In order to have justification for war you have to have an alternative; a peace plane. Even if your war stems from hatred & greed, you have to pretend peace.
18. Mr Barak's Priorities ....
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (11.13.07)
Does Mr Barak talk about the school strike. Educational reform? How about political reform? Any plans on how to get more Haredim into the army? What about economic reform to improve our standard of living? Any ideas about finishing the barrier to protect us against terror attacks - construction of the barrier has just about stopped? Perhaps some ideas on reducing the income gap in Israeli society? Anything to say about improving the benefits to soldiers? How about the deplorable treatment of those expelled from Gaza? No, Mr Barak can only talk about giving away more strategic assets. Evidently, Israel is not his priority.
19. #18 war is not the objective
(11.13.07)
a simple rule: "don't wage war for war. war is only to strengthen your position." In nowadays wars, you cannot achieve smashing victory. you have to have objective.
20. Ehud Barak's "plans>"
Meyer Levadie ,   Los Angeles, U.S.A   (11.16.07)
Brarak is an exceptionally fine soldier, but apparently not too wise in the areas of negotiations. His "maximums" will immediately become the other side's minimums. He should leave the matter of "deal making" to others who may be a bit less naive than he.
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