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Bill against J'lem division passes preliminary reading
Amnon Meranda
Published: 14.11.07, 13:52
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1. It is Wild Day Dreaming
Sam   (11.14.07)
to divide Jerusalem. This would be nothing short of fulfilling Iranian President's prophecy of wiping Israel out. Hear ye.. hear yee.
2. Jerusalem was never an Islamic capital city...
Nannette ,   London   (11.14.07)
Barakeh is propagandising again, and as Goebbels said, if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. The Temple Mount didn't become Islam's third holiest site until the 1930's when Hajj Amin Al Husseini, (later to become the leader of the Bosnian-Muslim troops - a unit of the "Hanjar (Saber) Division" of the Waffen SS which he personally recruited for Hitler), decided to make the status of Jerusalem a personal political issue... after he'd organised the Hebron massacre in 1929. http://www.meforum.org/article/490 http://www.gamla.org.il/english/article/2001/jan/win2.htm http://www.imninalu.net/myths-pals.htm
3. Incorrect decision; Jews will loose faith in their own MKs!
Daniel ,   Israel   (11.14.07)
4. Jews ties to Israel
chaim ,   miami beach usa   (11.14.07)
by Chaim Grosz Miami beach Florida The reason there is a Jewish connection today even after 2000 years of Galut to Israel as a Jewish Nation, is the recognition that Jerusalem is the center of the entire Jewish nation wherever there is even just one Jew he identifies with the eternal aspect of Jerusalem. The reason the entire Moslem world joined with historical haters of Jews, makes it their policy and refuses to acknowledge the Jewish Character of Jerusalem is, their attempt to assert dominion over the character of what is considered as a Jewish Identity, if they successfully achieve this goal then it will reinforce their opinion of the values placed by Israeli Citizens which is NONE, that a rag tag group of murdering terrorists have achieved what all the Arab armies were unable to, which is the elimination of Israel as a Jewish State. I disagree with the proposal that it would require only 80 MKs to change the current boundaries of the Capitol of all the Worlds Jews but insist a unanimous 100% vote of all members of the Keenest,. You say that such is impossible well so is the notion that the likes of Bellin and all his ilk the so called leftists, and peaceniks can destroy the very fiber of Jewish History, Culture in the name of peace That new law if enacted will send a clear and unequivocal message to the entire world that Israel is not going to debase its self and reject their historical identity and hard won rights. If such an uncompromising position is made into the law of the land, and by such law will guarantee that there will be NO peaceful solution to the Arab Israeli conflict so be it, in history and even to this date the ongoing Islamic hate and wars have been with us for over 1600 years so what will a few 100 or more years have any real effect. This current peace drive is like the egg that fell of the wall. All the kings horses and all the kings men could not put Humpty Dumpy back together again, once broken it could never be resurected
5. By law there must be a public referendum..it is our land!!
freejay ,   Israel   (11.14.07)
6. אם אשכחך ירושלים תשכח ימיני, תדבק לשוני לחיכי אם לא אזכרך אם
David ,   Petah tikvah   (11.14.07)
אם אשכחך ירושלים תשכח ימיני, תדבק לשוני לחיכי אם לא אזכרך אם לא אעלה את ירושלים על ראש שמחתי
7. A majority of 119 must be for giving away ANY territory
Joseph P. ,   Jerusalem   (11.14.07)
from OUR country.
8. Jerusalem
israeli ,   israel   (11.14.07)
"By the waters of Babylon, there we sat down and wept when we remembered Zion. On the willows there we hung up our lyres" (137, 1-2). "If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither, let my tongue cleave to my palate if I do not remember you, if I do not set Jerusalem above my highest joy." (137, 5-7). "Praise the Lord, O Jerusalem! Praise your God, O Zion!" (147, 12) psalms composed over 2000 years ago, long before any Muslims walked the earth ! Now this person, Barakeh, if he is so worried about the fate of Palestine, put a parachute on his back and drop him over Gaza!
9. How's about
Andras Bereny ,   Kfar Tapuah, Samaria   (11.14.07)
How's about Eretz Israel? Olmert said no knesset vote required.
10. Referendum
Iossef ,   J'lem, Israel   (11.14.07)
I vote for a referendum for every decision concerning the fate of Jerusalem. Jerusalem is the fundation of the jewish people. It can please or not, but this is our axiom number one.
11. THE SUBJECT OF WAR!!!
al mann ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (11.14.07)
Throughout history, Jerusalem has been the constant source of friction between peoples. Since the days of King Solomon, wars have been fought over Jerusalem. History teaches that war will only cause much death and decimation, but finally the last war will determine to whom Jerusalem belongs. Since G-d sought fit to give us Jerusalem we have no right to reject his gift. Non-believers--BEWARE!!!
12. TO THE ENEMIES OF ISRAEL... YERUSHALAYIM IS OURS FOREVER!!!
stude ham   (11.14.07)
And to hades with the enemies of our people!
13. Jerusalem is Jewish - only
Nigel ,   Israel   (11.14.07)
19 But when Sanballat the Horonite and Tobiah the Ammonite servant and Geshem the Arab heard of it, they jeered at us and despised us and said, What is this thing that you are doing? Are you rebelling against the king? 20 Then I replied to them, The God of heaven will make us prosper, and we his servants will arise and build, but you have no portion or right or claim in Jerusalem. (Nehemiah 2:19-20)
14. Joseph P , ירושלים
charles ,   petach tikva   (11.14.07)
listen Joseph , i also would like to have the whole 30,000 sq km for us . But there are people living on those 7-8000 sq km , non Jews , who don't agree with me . And what are you intending to do with them ? expelling ? did'nt we suffer enough from such expulsions , to do it to others ? We have to make concessions , painfull concessions . Regarding Our Capital , it's great that this proposition was adopted . I don't know where you were in june 67 when our Capital was liberated . I was still begalut , but heard Rav Goren blowing the Shofar when he came to the liberated Kotel , live on radio Europe 1 in French . You know that i'm secular , but this moment was one of the greatest ones in modern Jewish history for me . So no , ירושלים may NEVER be divided again , certainly not the old town and the Great Jewish and Israeli places around her
15. JERUSALEM
DANIEL RIMOKH ,   LOS ANGELES   (11.14.07)
ISRAEL NEED TO SEND A VERY STRONG MESSAGE TO THE WORLD...THAT JERUSALEM WILL BE FOR EVER HER CAPITAL...WE WILL DO GOOD ACCOMODATIONS TO THE PALESTINIANS.....BUT JERUSALEM WILL STAY FOR EVER THE CAPITAL OF ISRAEL....WE SHOULDN'T FORGET THE WAY JERUSALEM WAS BEFORE THE SIX DAYS WAR.....THIS TIME JERUSALEM WILL BE OPEN TO EVERYBODY....WE ARE HUMAN AND CIVILISED.....THANK YOU...JERUSALEM FOR EVER AND EVER.....SHALOM...DANIEL RIMOKH..
16. Unity, what unity?
Olej Gamur ,   Israel   (11.14.07)
"widespread unity among the Israeli people" BS. Let's see how fast they would pass an anti-corruption law or a law banning religious influence over civil matters.
17. #14 Charles, you know as well as I do, and as well as
Joseph P. ,   Jerusalem   (11.14.07)
everyone else in the world does, that: #1 there will never be peace with Arabs unless they get the whole entire world. The Arabs do not have the mentality to understand what "peace" means. Read some history books and you'll see it for yourself. #2 according to you, "we" have to make "painful concessions" and expel more Jews. a) Your words: "expelling ? did'nt we suffer enough from such expulsions" b) Wasn't 10,000 Jews expelled from their own homeland enough for you? Did it bring a day's peace? And you want more of such "peace"? #3 the Arabs own 22 countries. That's 22 countries! while we, Jews, own 1 tiny little country called Israel. Wouldn't it make more sense that the Arabs in any of the 22 countries make "painful concessions" to their fellow brothers and bring on "peace"?
18. Israel's Claim to Jerusalem Invalid
Lev Bronstein ,   Moscow, Russia   (11.14.07)
No country in the entire world recognizes Israel's claim to occupied Jerusalem, much less that of East Jerusalem, so it is not within Israel's power to determine its status unilaterally. Israel is going to do anything and everything it can to once again destroy the peace process so it can continue its campaign of ethnic cleansing, so it will be the World's responsibility to dictate to Israel the way things will be done and to simply ignore the Knesset's kvetching.
19. Get rid of these Arabs ENEMY Mk's already!!!
Gavriel ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (11.14.07)
20.  If I were a Jew....
patriot ,   chicago, US   (11.14.07)
I would start a Movement to remove all Muslims from Israel. If that meant ending the Government, I would fight for that. If that meant a King was needed, I would fight for that. I encourage Jews to fight to free Israel from 'international' peace efforts and just secure Israel for Israelis, the descendants of Abraham. There was a time when Israel acted boldly and that was a time of Kings, not weak PMs.
21. PREVENTING the division of Jerusalem is a good way to delay
Rivkah   (11.14.07)
Armageddon. The Prophet Joel said dividing God's land leads to that battle. Armageddon will be the end of Gentile world rule for those who think the Jews rule the earth, now. They don't. But a Jewish Messiah will, shortly.
22. Joseph P
charles ,   petach tikva   (11.14.07)
My responses : #1 so we have'nt to try anything . Our children , grandchildren and all the generations to come will have to fight ? Do you see the future so ? If i was thinking this way , i had never made Alyah in 2001 # 2 We have to make painfull concessions . Yes . Do you think that the Jews staying in those 7-8000 sq km will have a life ? Have you been once in one of those places ? I was . Is this living ? Always fearing attacks ? only moving in special cars or convoys ? I wanted once to have a trip from ירושלים to ערד via Jericho and so . My son in law said : Papa , you are not armed , have no communication and have an ordinary car [ rented , i was a tourist ] so you'll go via Kiryat Malachi Junction and Beer Sheva . He knows about what he is talking being in the security branch . Is this living if you have to look at everything in this way ? We had 8000 [ not ten ] Jews who had to resettle . Had they stayed there , how many victims would there have been ? How many families would have to bury children? How many children would have been orphans ? I think many . # 3 The Arabs own 22 countries , even if they own 50 that would change anything for those living in Judea Samaria . Why ? a] because they want to stay there [ will you expell them by force ? we can , in military view no problem , but what with the world opinion ? will they agree you think ? don't you think that this will certainly be the total end of our country ? ] b] no country will accept them [ remember what happened to Jewish refugees during the Shoah , not many wanted to let them in , and they were much less as those "palestinians ] They were not accepted before , could not have a businness of their own in Kuwait , were not allowed to enter Egypt from 48 to 67 , and so on ] So in my view we have to try , if it will fail , it will mean the end of our country , You contradict yourself . First you say that the Arabs will never make peace , and in you # 3 your last sentence : make painfull concessions to their fellow brothers and bring on "peace" So why ask those 22 countries to take "our" palestinians , if at the end they will not make peace ? A good advice if you are thinking so : prepare your lugage and become a Yored .
23. # 18 we have the right , 1000 % , Lev ,
charles ,   petach tikva   (11.14.07)
with the Jewish name , but without the Jewish "Lev" So what if no country in the entire world recognizes our right on LIBERATED Jerusalem . Don't forget that Israel was attacked by Jordan [ we talk about the Israeli Capital] even that we begged Hussein not to do so . He did not listen , attacked . We won , and we should give our ETERNAL capital to those who did not respect any of our HOLY places , to those who desecrated our Synagogues and cemeteries , to those who did'nt respect accords regarding the Holy places ? Those were not children games : i'll attack , if i loose , sorry , lets return to the old situation . If you go at war , you take the risk you can loose , and have to pay for it . It was always so in history , the looser has to pay
24. Pray for G-ds peace for Jerusalem
Galut ,   Selah   (11.15.07)
It will be the only true peace..... mans solutions will be smashed on the rocks of bitterness !
25. #18 The Last Word, and Who Has It.....
Destiny Comes.... ,   Gainesville, U.S.A.   (11.16.07)
The last thing this world needs is another dictator. The truth is, The God of Creation is in control as he has always been. By his written word, the land of Israel belongs to the Jewish People, as does Jerusalem. You can choose to ignore the truth, but in the end, God will have the last word. As is written in scripture Israel will one day stand above every Nation, and her King will be Eternal, an every knee will bow before him.....Destiny Comes....
26. Wake people of Israel! Olmert is selling you !!!!!
Miriam ,   USA,Israel   (11.18.07)
People of Israel ,why you dont remove that idiot from a Government?Dont you know that he already agreed to palestinians demands? The worse part of that ,that US will suffer so badly now ,cause Rise and Bush pushing Israel to death! it will be tragedy here in US,US will pay for Rise-Bush stupid action...like KATRINA,EVEN WORST!!!us IS IN DANGER FOR THAT! ANNAPOLIS MUST BE VOID! שמע ישראל אדוני אחד! ירושלים לא לחלוקה! ישראל לא לחלוקה
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