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Iranian trickery worked
Ronen Bergman
Published: 16.11.07, 18:00
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1. wow
John ,   USA   (11.16.07)
I wonder what the author was smoking when he wrote this article. Suspicions are presented as facts and/or twisted around. Does he really think we're this stupid?!!?
2. irans intention
chaim grosz ,   Miami Florida   (11.16.07)
this factor was known to the whole world , why the surprise it follow's the track I have written about over 16 months ago in the J P and was reprinted in many diffrent newspapers around the world. the title is the true threat of Iran. what I do hope for that the rest of my prediction never materializes
3. El Baradei
se ,   Boston, USA   (11.16.07)
Ironically, ElBaradei's intransigience regarding Iran's cooperation makes it more likely that the US and/or Israel takes military action against Iran. This will be sooner rather than later. -SE
4. Nukes
Al ,   Boulder CO   (11.16.07)
Iran will give up their nukes as soon as Israel gives up theirs and US lets IAEA inspactors into their facilities. so NEVER
5. Of course the IAEA will cover for Iran
Neil ,   USA   (11.16.07)
If they admit the failure of diplomacy, they concede that force may be the only option to stop Iran from getting nukes. Contrary to its founding charter, force has become an unacceptable option in all instances for the UN, even if it means preventing tyranny and staving off aggression.
6. NUCLEAR BAD GUYS
ISHMAEL ISHMAEL ,   TORONTO CANADA   (11.16.07)
Who are you kidding again? "German intelligence establishment uncovered a laptop belonging to an Iranian nuclear scientist that included sketches of a nuclear warhead, Iran handed over these sketches themselves. " Your writer declined to add that the laptop was a CIA-MOSSAD plant and such was widely reported by respected commentators in the USA. As for 'German intelligence' - they do not have their own 'Intelligence" since they are effectively still occupied and infested with the "Intellegence" of its conquerors and of Israel. BTW, what have you folks done with Mordechai Vanunu who was the good guy in your won WMD program?
7. Still not a shred of proof...
John S. ,   Denver, US   (11.16.07)
Despite the completely false accusations made in this article and despite some minor anomalies in Iran's reporting; the fact remains that there is not a shred of evidence - not the tiniest pretense to evidence - that Iran is using its nuclear program for a weapons program. Further, the IAEA report says that though the Iranians have claimed to successfully enrich uranium to 4.8%, the IAEA has only seen evidence that they've managed to enrich to about 4% (low-enriched uranium) meaning that they are years upon years away from coming close to the highly enriched uranium of 85% required to create a nuclear weapon. Quite simply, there is no Iranian nuclear threat and won't be for years upon years, so all the war-mongering rhetoric coming from Washington and Jerusalem plainly has an ulterior motive.
8. Joke: Israel complaining of trickery.
Chanalau, Tova ,   London   (11.17.07)
Israel would like the world to believe that it desires peace and permanently fixed borders. However that is the last thing it actually wants. It's real undeclared aims are continuing undefined borders, perpetual instability in the surrounding countries and ever increasing settlement of the occupied territories. Everything else is hasbara. Unfortunately even though the whole world knows this to be trickery, like with the emperor's new clothes, not one of the western powers is prepared to cry out openly 'its a lie'. As for Israel's nuclear armory, and we all know its oft repeated mantra 'we won't be the first to introduce nuclear weapons into the area', Israel was in fact the very first by about 40 years to bring into the region the genocide capability and the possibility of mass annihilation. Yet today Israel has the chutspa to run backwards and forwards like a headless chicken to its US and European friends crying 'danger danger'. Well the danger was started by the Zionists themselves half a century ago, with the help of those same 2-faced Europeans.
9. Bad Title
Joe ,   USA   (11.16.07)
The Title has it backwards: Iran is "trickeing" no one. It is the IAEA that whose trickery worked. The IAEA is the main obsticle to dealing with Iran. the IAEA actively runs interference for the terrorist regim in Tehran.
10. Chana fool!
JB ,   Canada   (11.17.07)
#8 Hey Chana, I think you're the fool! In all those 40 years you crow about since Israel had nuclear energy, not once did they threaten to bomb Cairo or Damascus or Beirut on Bahgdad, those evil jews! Yet Iran, without a bomb...yet has already more than once threatened Israel and Europe with annihilation. Your belief in Iranian propaganda is complete, but when ther's a mushroom cloud over London thanks to an Iranian missile, you and your ilk will no doubt find a way to blame Israel! What an imbicile you are
11. Report makes US/Israel attack on Iran more likely
chanan ,   USA   (11.17.07)
now that all hope is dashed for any other type of pressure on Iran, it increases the likelihood that the most at risk countries US and Israel are left with no other choice but to attack Iran and destroy its nuclear capabilities.
12. moshlems NEED TO SEE A MUSHROOM CLOUD
Joe Forth ,   Klondike, USA   (11.17.07)
up close
13. What a joke this article is. Your insecurity comes from with
Free ,   Freedom, FreeWorld   (11.17.07)
Shame on you! You are running around like a headless chicken. Sitting on Nukes and crying wolf. The problem is really simple. The Nukes will not bring you security. Your insecurity comes right from within you, right from within your sole, existence and being. Tell the world one thing? Why is it that the Iranian population is not even remotely as frightened as you are even though hundreds of Nukes are pointed at them, and more than once your peace loving leaders and friends (!!!!) have threatened them with Nukes and annihilation. Your problem is not really Iran or the moron AhmadiIdiot. The fact of the matter is that your problem is your leaders and the fact that after 50 years you still are not a nation, that the only thing that apparently binds you together is the common enemy outside your borders. You need the wars and so called existential enemies to retain a semblance of cohesion. Hate your leaders, rather than outsiders, who have not been able to forge an identity and nationhood that would bring you security and stability
14. Chana #8 Do you look as one sided as you write?
Stewart ,   USA   (11.17.07)
You're not even worth a response. Who taught you to parrot the Al Queada and British antisemetic party line. It's amazing you only have time to read their scipts. I wonder if your name is really Tova. Last I heard there is no such thing as Kosher brain washing soap.
15. John #7 I doubt you have any nuclear engineering credentials
Stewart ,   USA   (11.17.07)
There is plenty of articles out their written by competent people who feel they will have a bomb by 2009. Iran's processes also produce bomb grade material, but their methods are not needed if they only want energy. Check this out with some engineers if you can bother yourself. You're in Denver? Sit in on any of Ward Churchill's classes before they reviewed his great research methods? I wonder how many of his followers know he was exposed and fired?
16. ElBaradei the M.F. is muslim.what do you expect?
reuven ,   usa   (11.17.07)
he loves his muslim brothers and he will even sell his mother to help them.time to fire this jerk and get iran smashed with nukes
17. to 6 You´re wrong
Christoph ,   Germany   (11.17.07)
Germany has its own intelligence agencys. "Organisation Gehlen" was founded in 1946, years beforce the Federal Republic of Germany came to existance Today we have three main Intelligence Agencys. First, the "Bundesnachrichtendienst" (BND), This Agency is our main foreign intelligence organization. Similar to the CIA, Mossad, SIS etc. Then we have the "Militärischer Abschirmdienst" (MAD). This military Agencys mission is to protect our Armed Forces from foreign intelligence services. The "Bundesamt für Verfassungschutz" (BfV) and the "Landesämter für Verfassungsschutz (LfV) (all 16 federal states of Germany have such a agency) are civilian organizations. They´re protecting our free and democratic basic order of our Nation. They observe political extremists, foreign secret services, organised crime and so on. Much like the FBI, Shin Bet or MI5. Then there´re organizations like the "Kommando Strategische Aufklärung" (KSA) and the "Amt für Militärkunde" (AMK). The AMK is a joint agency from the BND (which is civilian) and the Bundeswehr (our military). Its mission is to analyse the military capacity of and the political situation in other nations. The KSA is a military organization which optains information through SIGINT, satellites and so on. Pkease note, that KSA and AMK are not classic intelligence agencys. AMK is more like a indepedent department while the KSA is a military command. But they´re both vital for our intelligence services. Last but not least there is the "Zentralstelle für Information und Kommunikation" (ZIKBp) from our federal police. This organizations support our police authorities and civilian intelligence servies with technical stuff. Not that important. You see, we have intelligence agencys. They may be not that effective but they exist. And very important: We are NOT in any way still occupied or infested. Germany is a fully independ nation. We achieved complete sovereignty after we reunited with the German Democratic Republic 1990. And no, we´re not in any way infested. One example - recent history. Our last chancellor was not willing to go to war with Iraq as the USA demanded. We abandoned them back in 2003. You see, we can chose our own way. So, please stop talking about things you know nothing about.
18. free conscience in the world
pullniro ,   tehran iran   (11.17.07)
why there is not one single free-minded consciencious journalist around the globe to challenge all the lies of Bush and Rice to international community? all the lied they told about WMD in Iraq and now about iran nuke. look at iraq now. 300 thousand iraqis are butchered by Bush and Rice and no one gives a damn. just imagine if saddam had remained in power, how many would have been killed, considering the fact that there was no WMD in there. iranians do not have any hostility towards jews and americans. we are not responsible for the nonsense of our dimwit president. but why should we be victims of american and israeli secret plans for the oil of the middle east?
19. Something you're all missing
Steve ,   UK   (11.17.07)
Mohamed ElBaradei, egyptian, isn't the U.S.'s best friend in the world, after he critisized America's wanting to go to war in Iraq despite his and Hans Blix's reports. America slammed him so I would not be one but surprised if, in true muslim style, he sides with his own.
20. Iran and the watchdog !
Abel Shoni ,   France   (11.17.07)
Not trickery - the one who is a hocus-pocus is the IAEA's watchdog, and that is of complete benefit to Iran, working hard for having nukes. It's the same with huge, dangerous dogs, some people should not even think of possessing one. If Iran has nuclear bombs, then an atomic arsenal, the huge dog wants to eliminate Israel ! Iran and most Arab countries have a dream, that is a final solution to the God blessed country. Are we all in Europe and in USA in total ignorance of it, or do we wait for the scales to fall from our eyes ? If not Iran, China and Russia will atomize our planet. My Lord, have mercy on us !
21. Don't blame ELbaradei.
Ibrahim ,   Egypt   (11.17.07)
the problem isn't Elbaradei , IAEA....Nobody else....and don't blame him the real problem is the United States and Israel must accept their diplomatic defeat....It had the direct effect of strengthening the Islamic Republic of Iran....so the Iran diplomatic was the only winner....Iranians play a chess game with the international community especially USA , Israel and they have a checkmate job.....and that is exactly happened.....and USA are still discovering the mysterious deep ocean in Iraq and Afghanistan without Oxygen supply....and Israel will never do anything alone...because The crisis will be much bigger than Israel.
22. IRAN NUCLEAR
Leonard Noel ,   Birmingham, Alabama   (11.17.07)
I would trust nothing coming out of IRANIAN words. It's pretty blatant Iran is no friend to Israel or Jews, or anyone living in the USA . The USA is close to an election year, and the democratic primary, is not recognizing the real issues of IRAN and the threats it poses relating to nuclear instability. Nucclear warheads in the hands of Iranian leaders, are a lethal promise of nuclear intervention, with not only Jews but USA , and European alies, Russia is looking to increase in the world market and as it seems will reach at any level of monatary gain.
23. #7 John S
ben Ish   (11.17.07)
Not one shred??? Explain to me why Natanz has over 56,000 sq. of floor space for P1 & P2 centrifuges. Why did they begin building a heavy water reactor first? Why were they so effective at procuring supplies through the AQ Khan network? Why have they not disclosed ANY of the information regarding procurement sources? These are easily recognizable courses of action that have no legitimate basis in electrical power production, and are useful only for a weapons program. There are other indications, however I would like you to begin by explaining the size and scope of Natanz, as well as Iran's choice of moving forward with a breeder reactor first.
24. Israeli attack dogs are unleashed on
Persian CAT   (11.17.07)
IAEA and El Beradie for being honest and independent. The fact is whether the Israeli "officials" blame him or anyone else for doing his job is irrelevant. Israel and it Jewish regime is kept in such low regards by the international community that its noise making is routinely ignored by the international community except very few. Israel as the most dangerous occupier, Apartheid regime run by a bunch of war criminals and Judeo-fascists is in no position to blame anyone for doing a good and honest job that Israel happens not to like. The author has forgotten what country he is defending. Iran's nuclear activities are open and legal. Can you say the same about Israel's??? Attacking El Beraei and the IAEA is more proof that Israeli government is dangerous, reckless and Iran has to fight and defeat it.
25. 7 John: YES. There is an ulterior motive....
Rivkah   (11.17.07)
President Franklin Roosevelt took America off the gold standard that up until then backed up the paper currency. President Richard Nixon took America off the silver standard that was backing up the US dollar paper money. He did that with an agreement with OPEC for OPEC to back up the US dollar by insisting that oil sales be made in US dollars ONLY. That protected the US currency for decades until then Iraq decided to trade in Euros. To prevent the US economy from crashing and the dollar having no oil trading value to back it up and keep its value up, Saddam Hussein was told by the US Ambassador to Iraq that America would not react if Iraq attacked Kuwait. Contrived and/or real attocities in Kuwait like neonates being thrown onto the floor from hospital incubators so the equipment could be used in Iraq (sure) riled the American public enough to back the first Persian Gulf War which was unresolved for ten years until the Second Persian Gulf War. NOW, IRAN HAS FORMED A BORST and has asked Japan to buy oil in yen and China in yuan, etc. That means the collapse of the US economy unless it is stopped. War is the only option unless Iran backs off. Daniel chapter 8 in the authorized King James Version Bible shows the final fulfillment of a prophecy since history repeats. This final fulfillment will be perfect instead of partially fulfilling the prophecy. Alexander the Great did not have airplanes and Greece was not a country from the ends of the earth and Alexander's kingdom was actually divided into five realms, four major and one minor, not four. The US is the notable horn (military power) between the eyes of the UN he-goat (Grecian which can mean Gentile) that subdues the ram with two horns (Media-Persia or Iraq-Iran). AFTER THAT, THE NOTABLE HORN BREAKS into four countries. The USA collapses or is invaded or there is civil war. Whatever happens, the nation breaks into four parts: a lion, a leopard, a bear, and a monster beast with seven heads and ten crowns. The monster is probably the UN that sits on seven land masses or continents and has divided the world into ten parts. President Clinton signed PDD 25 that gives power to the UN SECGEN if the US President dies during a national emergency. President of Eagle Forum Phyllis Schlafly says President Bush has not voided PDD 25. Clinton is now the Undersecretary of the UN for the United States, last I read and will shortly be back in power. The lion part of America may be the British Commonwealth or Canada, the leopard would be Germany or China, the bear would be Mexico or Russia. Canada and Mexico signed a mutual defense treaty with Russia in an attack on America. There are five million foreign troops in North America a US Senator told Colonel Elmer Jim Ammerman of Dallas, Texas. All hell is about to break loose after the war with Iran is won. There are also over 2600 Al Qaida terrorist cells in America waiting to attack that the FBI does little about. There are prepositioned Russian troops, prepositioned Mexican troops, and prepositioned Moslems and Red Chinese troops in America. Ever noticed all the Chinese waiters the restaurants cannot possibly afford to pay? Hutchinson-Wampoa that runs the Panama Canal is a Red Chinese Army front company and the Chinese illegals are pouring into Central America. Forty per cent of the illegals crossing the border with Mexico are OTM's: Other Than Mexicans. PUT ROLLING METAL SHUTTERS INSIDE YOUR WINDOWS AND A STEEL SCREEN ON ALL OUSIDE DOORS AND AN MANUAL STEEL LOCK ON YOUR GARAGE DOOR. AT LEAST THEN YOU WILL HEAR THEM COMING IN AND CAN GRAB A WEAPON TYO DEFEND YOUR HOME.
26. # 7 WRONG ! With continued Russia's help
Abel Shoni ,   France   (11.17.07)
your years will shrink to months ! Don't wait for scales falling from your eyes, it would be too late ! No peace "rhetoric" will come from Iran - and possibly Russia and China, only bombs. Watch !
27. Rivkah, you may want to talk to someone about those extrapol
Stewart ,   USA   (11.18.07)
extrapolations, and I don't mean a foreign policy expert.
28. My word number 8# You act like England is a novice
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (11.18.07)
at the grab and take for the Empire. Your country has taken more land than the Jews could of possibly ever needed. It's called hypocrisy dear. As for Israel taking back land that was stolen from them by the muslims in the first place. I'm just shedding tears. They are only on land that was rightfully theirs in the first place. The muslims have done plenty of land stealing in their history, using their cult religion as an excuse to justify it. I don't hear you screaming about all the Europeans who stole these same Jews lands in WWII. I guess it's acceptable to steal Jews lands as long as you are a muslim, or a European. But don't try it if you are a Jew. If you weren't so busy condemning the Jews...you'd remember that we kicked you out of the United States and took our land back too.
29. 18# Is that why Israeli terrorists strap bombs on themselves
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (11.18.07)
and run into Iranian restaurants killing innocent Iranians for Allah? Your country is sponsoring and sending out terrorists all over the Middle East and Europe. But Iran doesn't have any alternative motive or goals to kill the Jews. Your country is innocent when your leader threatens to wipe the Jews from the face of the Middle East? I'm sorry...your propaganda isn't floating in the cesspool right now. Your 300 thousand figure is totally off. How many people have died from the arms your country is shipping across to terrorists in Iraq? I bet you can come up with that figure. Don't think the US Military isn't keeping tabs on the IED's you are sending across the border to kill our troops. But your country is so innocent in the big scheme of things.......give us all a break. The truth is....the Iraqi generals thought Saddam Hussein still had weapons of mass destruction when the war was on. Hussein didn't want your country to know he didn't possess the weapons. He was afraid Iran would attack Iraq if they knew he didn't possess the weapons. Was the war started on assumptions that were incorrect? Sure it was. But an assumption does not make a lie. Being ignorant of the facts is never a lie. You are telling a lie, saying that the President knew, and intentionally misled everyone, after knowing that there were no weapons of mass destruction. Every intelligence service believed the weapons existed. Therefore the President didn't lie. Saddam's demise was the best thing that happened in the Middle East. Your leaders demise will be the second best thing in my opinion.
30. 24# Your country has done a heck of a lot more occupying
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (11.18.07)
through the centuries than the Jews ever thought of. How is it that muslims were sitting on Jews lands, before they came back to retrieve them, from the very people who stole their lands by force in the first place. Obviously you believe it is permissible to steal Jews lands as long as you are a muslim. That's what your Koran tells you to do.....right? Take the Khaffers lands and subjugate him to your religion. Religious rascism by force? And now you throw a tantrum because you have to give back some of the land? What a pity. And these same Jews now protect themselves from the likes of you and your countrymen? How barbaric. That they would think of protecting themselves from an Iranian leader, that says he is going to expunge the Jews from the Middle east. The nerve of those Jews.
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