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Vatican: Ties with Israel worsening
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Published: 16.11.07, 21:24
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31. The vatican should apologize, and so should Luther for
Petra ,   usa   (11.17.07)
printing, 'the Jews and their lies". All these 'christians' who murdered Jesus, his desciples, and countless Jews for over 2,000 years have a large weight to face the G-d of Israel with when they die. Between the catholics and the muslims, every other faith, starting with the Jews, should be nervous.
32. They can't stand to see us free
Mahlon Drumgoole ,   Newark NJ   (11.17.07)
Once in awhile a truly decent man is elected to be Pope like Pope John XXlll or the previous Polish Pope. These men fought the repulsive layers of Vatican antisemitism and tried to make amends for the Vatican's complicity in Catholicism's never-ending war against Judaism and the Jewish people. Now things are different. The German Pope remains silent while his underlings defame Israel. Evidently, the Vatican cannot tolerate the fact that Jews are free people in their own country. Apologists will say that the Vatican's harsh words against Israel are more related to fear of Muslim violence against Christians living in the Middle East. Right. Just like the Vatican's refusal to condemn Hitler was because of the fear of nazi retalliation. Can you imagine how many Jews would have been saved if the Pope excommunicated antisemitic priests and made collaboration with nazis a mortal sin?
33. vatican
Michael Ezrahi ,   USA   (11.17.07)
The vatican is a criminal organization, they could not even condemn their pedophile priests. The catholics kill jews with their inquisitions, crusades and holocausts. Israel should cut ties with the vatican. Also, what about the rumors that the vatican has the temple treasures? Israel should tell that nazi pope where he can go. The prior pope visited syria and sat silent while hafez assad slandered Israel and the Jewish people. The vatican is quick to criticize Israel and Jews, but, never muslims, or the iranians. The vatican, like the un is a morally bankrupted institution.
34. WHO CARES ABOUT THE VATICAN? WHY SHOULDN'T THEY PAY TAXES??
Natalie Cohen ,   tel aviv   (11.17.07)
ASK FIRST WHAT THE POPE WAS DOING DURING WW2 THEN WE TALK ABOUT GOOD RELATIONS WITH THE VATICAN
35. How unusual to see a Pope dress in turquoise and yellow...
Rivkah   (11.16.07)
instead of white. The Pope needs to get together with Evangelist John Hage on the eternal status of Jews who are Jews in their hearts and their covenant with God through Abraham and Moses. John Hagee's books on Israel and the Jews will show the Pope verse by verse in the Bible how the Jews who believe in the coming of the Messiah Adonai/Hashem have an eternal covenant with God just as Christians who believe in Jesus (Yeshua, Yshoshua) and know him are saved. They need to discuss this issue because Pope Benedict XVI brought back a prayer about how Jews need to be converted when it is Christians who need to be converted to being Jews in their hearts, observing the Sabbath of God (Saturday) instead of the Sabbath of man (Sunday), and Holy Days of the Jews instead of holidays of Emperor Constantine. It is time for a Pope to admit Popes make mistakes en cathedra and are not infallible. John Hagee should be the Israeli ambassador to the Vatican.
36. Dressed in turquoise and yellow, the Pope looks like an
Rivkah   (11.17.07)
Egyptian Pharoah. The last Pope Benedict XV had a vision about poison gas killing priests at the Vatican with him running and jumping over the bodies. The Vatican should move its offices and treasures and libraries to another location away from Rome. Revelation which is the book of Apocalypse in the Catholic Bible says Rome will be destroyed for destroying the Second Jewish Temple. If this Pope thinks Jews who are Jews in their hearts are not saved eternally, so he had to bring back an offensive prayer for their conversion, then how can he expect Israel to be a friend? There is a verse in the New Testament that says in regard to people who do NOT belong to God, that they worship and serve the creature (Pope's Sunday Sabbath) more than the Creator (God's day of rest which is a Saturday Sabbath). Persecuting Jews and Saturday Sabbath keeping Christians who are the real Christians is not something a friend would do. Rome will not be destroyed during the reign of this Pope, but during the next one according to Saint Malachi, not the Old Testament Prophet but a visionary who correctly described every Pope in succession from the 1400's onward. He said the next Pope will be the last one.
37. Cool hat.
Steve   (11.17.07)
Oh no! relations between Israel and a group of costumed pedophile freaks are deteriorating. Perhaps someone of importance in Israel will call the Vatican what it is. A self serving body of highly corrupt individuals who are as far from God as humans can be.
38. ISrael and the cross
David ,   Haifa   (11.17.07)
"ties were better 'when there were none at all' " In many of the Church's representatives' view ties would have been even better if there were no Jewish state at all, and absolutely perfect if there was no Jewish people at all.
39. The "holy see" is so blind. But it will soon.
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40. Catholics, believe in god or man made goods?
Johnny ,   Stockholm Sweden   (11.17.07)
I hate morons, and these comments from this earthly leader of the church of crucifixes, saints and relics seem very moronic.
41. #6 Gerd Schnulz
joe ,   vienna   (11.17.07)
Ehhh... would it be ok for You if the catholic church, instead of an excuse, would pay a few hundred millions????
42. Vatican and Israel should be allies
Catholic 4 Zion ,   London, UK   (11.17.07)
Lets not get carried away. These are statements by one individual, not a declaration by the Pope. Relations shouldnt be soured by petty disputes over tax, property and permits. Many Catholics support Israel. And to Jason White; For what its worth, I am truly sorry for what some Catholics did to Jews in the past. I cant change history, but with G-d's help, we can strive for a better future.
43. Saudi Abdullah's gift2 Pope may calls Blame-Israel policy!
KMR ,   Middle East   (11.17.07)
44. To Archbishop Pietro Sambi. Safety Is Of Utmost Importance.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (11.17.07)
".. Arab Christian clergy traveling to and around the West Bank ". Your Holiness, we understand that you like to move freely. But, please, bear in mind that your safety is of utmost importance -- as well as the security of Israel. Your Holiness, I request you not to forget that we are STILL living in the Middle East. It is advisable that when Arab Christian clergy wants to travel -- that they submit their application at least 3 weeks ahead of time -- so that the IDF can take precautionary measures. OR do you prefer to live in Saudi Arabia, where Christians are NOT allowed to build even one Church. BTW there where Churches in Madina, in many other towns in Saudi Arabia during the early centuries of Christianity. BUT since the coming of Islam in 610 AD -- all those Churches in Saudi Arabia have been destroyed by the Arab Muslims. Your Holiness, next time you become angry with Israel -- please remember Saudi Arabia.
45. Israel
Alin ,   Romania   (11.17.07)
Well,those words came from the mouth of Torquemada's nephews and from those who gave safe haven to some nazi criminals.The foolishness of pope will go to his obliteration.After all,he is representing Vatican and some dictatorships in South America.Loud mouth,weak arms!
46. What's lost if they break ties?
Steve ,   UK   (11.17.07)
Unless I'm missing something really basic, it seems to me Israel having diplomatic ties with the Vatican is of about the same importance as having ties with my cat. A nice gesture, but pretty meaningless.
47. 5 you forgot to mention that small event called...
Gil ,   Tel Aviv   (11.17.07)
The Inquisition....
48. On the other hand, Russian Patriarch spoke highly
Damir ,   Russia   (11.17.07)
about recent developments in Orthodox Church in Israel. The big church building started even in Tzar times was completed lately. Coupled with expecting visa relaxations this may allow for substantial pilgrimage from Russia to Israel holy places. Christians too want for their Mecca and Medina.
49. Vatican Ties With IsrAel Worsening
Micahyah Dinah ,   Toronto, Canada   (11.17.07)
Israel cannot be trusted????? The Vatican should check their history books! Do the "Crusades" mean anything to you????!!
50. steve
naser ,   fgypt   (11.17.07)
vatican is the fantasia of the catholic but it is not like other country a drama of thejudism
51. Catholic Does Not Mean Christian
Roch ,   Albuquerque, NM   (11.17.07)
As a Christian who left the Catholic church over it's doctorine I hope that Jews do not see all of us as the enemy. As a "Born Again Christian", my circle thanks the Jews for the, Bible, Prophets and our Messiah. I pray for Israel daily and her protection. I thank the Jewish Nation for my Faith. Roch
52. Vatican
Leonard Noel ,   Birmingham, Al USA   (11.17.07)
Yes I agree, the catholic vatican is far from the true teachings it represents, ISRAEL IS A HOLY LAND as those whom hearts are with God
53. Stand with Isreal
marcellus ,   Canada   (11.17.07)
The Vatican should stand with isreal and help them. These are Gods people and christian should know this!!!
54. Let Vatican sort out all Little Boys Abuse Claims B4 Israel
Alan ,   SA   (11.17.07)
55. To 5
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Yes and to the folks who killed hundreds of thousends of Arabs ... you are not mush better
56. Catholic-Israeli relationship
Clif Moberg ,   Woodland USA   (11.17.07)
To be in Israel is a joy! But in seeing it, as in most recent years past, is to witness the naturalness of soldiers policing everywhere. They are sharp and their eyes are keen in looking for troublemakers. Citizens eye the size and shape of bags that others carry, on the look out for something bomb-shaped or sized. That's a real price to pay for living in The Holy Land. Catholics do not make Israel "holy"; they are guests just as any others are. To expect special consideration because they consider themselves "holy" as in "holy Catholic Church" is of their own structure, and it is not accepted automatically by others. The leaders of Israel have first and foremost the responsibility to protect their citizenry, and if they fail to do this, they warrant a just criticism. Christian minorities need to worry about the overall safety of the Jews in their homeland; for when the nation is secure, then those Catholics are also secure. My advice to the Papal crowd is "just live with any inconvenience--at least you're living!"
57. Ties worsening. How sad.
Uzziel   (11.17.07)
But before a more serious crisis would you please return to the jewish people all the artifacts and documents you stole from the Bet HaMikdash? Then you can lick the feet of the muslums all you want. Thank you and goodbye. PS: Forget every sq. meter you consider your possession in the Land of Israel.
58. to #5 VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!
joe somebody ,   country   (11.17.07)
are you saying that all christians are nazis? they all hate jews?
59. Maansingh #44
Brod ,   USA   (11.17.07)
It is NOT appropriate to address sinful mortals including the pope as "Your Holiness." This title is only reserved for GOD. The Holy Bible says "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of GOD." Romans 3:23.
60. Two Vipers...
Ulver ,   Atlanta, Ga.   (11.18.07)
Amazing the two vipers, can't share the same hole. Both are corrupt, peddlers of nonsense and filth.
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