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Reservists says no to division-wide drill
Hanan Greenberg
Published: 06.12.07, 14:30
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1. But Ashkenazi said all lessons are NOW
(12.06.07)
discovered, repaired and implemented. You mean the IDF-Knesset-Winograd report were all lies??!!?? No it can't be. IDF, I hope you remember you are there to protect the citizens and not your treasonous, disgusting anti-semetic courts and knesset. Its time to show them that you are not an instrument to be used against the Jewish state and a play thing for your Islamic enemies. I pray you all wake up and save Jewish Israel from her own leaders and dangerous institutions. We all pray for this clarity. This inevitable civic uprising MUST finally cleanse and restore Israel to the mantel of the chosen people for Adonoi. B'H' and bless Israel now with courageous men and women, especially in the IDF!!!
2. Brothers in arms
David ,   Tel Aviv   (12.06.07)
This is disgraceful, were all on the same side here. Without the proper equipment we cannot perform. If we cannot perform we will lose. You all know what that means
3. Instead of immediately passing judgment...
Talula ,   Israel   (12.06.07)
it would be nice, not to mention HUMANE if they found out what constitutes "maltreatment and severe lack of equipment'' Being a soldier or a reserve soldier does not automatically strip them of their rights to think or say things that they feel are not just. Where's GABI !!! He'll sort them out. Gabi is the new Bibi!!! Oh I adore that Gabi!!!
4. And ones again-nobody wanna see reason for refuses
Mike ,   TLV   (12.06.07)
As usually in IDF - only the soldiers is "HAMORIM"
5. SO GIVE THEM THEIR EQUIPMENT!!! Command is so worried....
j ,   jerusalem, israel   (12.06.07)
....about "instiling discipline" how about you get to root cause you retards! Give them equipment and proper treament! Duh!
6. ..."Such actions by reserve soldiers are unacceptable."
David ,   Rio de Janeiro Brazi   (12.06.07)
Unacceptable is the status that the IDF has become, due to the shameful, self-serving interests of senior and top officers, with a negligible exception. The soldiers as a rule of thumb, are good. The real pathology is the lack of competent, motivated, field and top officers, proud to command: ACHAREI VE KADIMA. Disgusting! No equipment, no training, period!
7. I was there, the cell phone reception is bad. Antena Now
Mike ,   Israel   (12.06.07)
8. No need to train
Marcel ,   Florida   (12.06.07)
Why should the IDF fight to defend what the corrupt politicians will give away for lies in return ? Don't worry ,there is peace breaking out thanks to the Bush Road Map to peace. You can all relax and go back to sleep. Ignore what Hashem told you about making agreements and surrendering his land to His enemies. The Road Map to peace is your new and improved Torah and Bush is your latest false messiah .
9. why no change for reservists in 25 yrs!!
eli c   (12.06.07)
nothing new here, as always young men and women are putting their lives on the line and leadership is failing them, remember 1st leb war 25 yrs ago, exactly the same. if the leaders are not listening only the soldiers voices can bring about change.
10. nothing has been learned from Lebanon
zionist forever   (12.06.07)
Havnt we learned anything from the Lebanon fiasco about what happens when you dont provide your trooops with the nececary equipment. This is a drill we are talking about and there is a lack of equipment but this training isnt about playing toy soilder this is about training men for the possibility they will have to fight a real war and put their lives on the line while the officers and politicians sit in offices behind the scenes. Its disgusting
11. Sounds like the US military, except that the US soldiers
Rivkah   (12.06.07)
go ahead and go out into the war zones (not training maneuvers) without the necessary equipment. I guess the government thinks it is cheaper to pay the family for a death or disability than to buy the right equipment and have it available. Take heart. King David as a youth declined the heavy armor, shild and sword of King Saul to slay Goliath and his brothers. When God is with a soldier, there is an impenetrable shield around him no bullet can go through. That was the case with General George Washington, the first US President. When he was fighting the Indian wars, the braves targeted him with arrows and rifle fire. He was tall and an obvious target, but nothing could would him. The bullets and arrows went through his hat and clothes without harming him. Finally the Indians respected him enough to call him the Great White Father and they stopped aiming weapons at him since it was a waste of ammo. Soldiers should study the Torah in off duty time and refrain from masturbating since Micah 2:1 indicates that is upsetting to God. Let wet dreams from abstinence be the pleasure of soldiers to build up a shield from the Lord by His favor.
12. Playing "devil's advocate"
Steve ,   UK   (12.06.07)
One point I bring up purely as a point for debate is this: they're soldiers, and as such are obligated to follow the lawful orders of their superior officers. By refusing, they're basically guilty of mutiny. THAT SAID..... If it's true the IDF is severely lacking equipment and guilty of maltreatment, something must be done and pretty damned quick. I personally agree with the decision to refuse; it shines a light on a dangerous, potentially fatal situation. Israel's armed forces aren't the biggest in the world, so every soldier, active or reservist, needs as good as they can get. The reason is glaringly obvious. As for the commanders, if the claim of maltreatment is genuine, they could face possible desertions, and now is not the time, nor Israel the place, for the military to start falling apart. Yes, the chain of command needs discipline, but there's a line between discipline and brutality. Time for the IDF to really put it's house in order, the storm clouds are forming.
13. #6-Awol. Galut is the real Pathology
akiva ,   Maaleh Adumim   (12.07.07)
Aliyah now.
14. the proof that Israel learned nothing from leb2 is?.......
jack bauer ,   elections now   (12.07.07)
the mere fact that the likes of olmert barak and princess tzipi are still in charge of anything
15. IDF is a joke, soldiers - crybabies
Azohun Vei   (12.08.07)
...whining about "maltreatment by the commanders". The Second Lebanon War fiasco was no accident.
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