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Abbas rules out talks with Hamas, says Gaza heading to Catastrophe
Roni Sofer
Published: 17.12.07, 12:10
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1. You will not implement a thing
Matityahu ,   Slovenia   (12.17.07)
just like Olmert, because neither of you have the support of your people. Israel doesn't need palestinian "peace" aka suicide bombers, Israel needs to secure and protect it's citizens from never ending arab terrorist threat. By all means, including power cuts and targeted asassinations. And once and for all, the hell with world opinion.
2. not worlds responsability to rescue arabs from one another
david ,   usa   (12.17.07)
3. A good place to start.
George ,   Kfar Saba, Israel   (12.17.07)
How about starting to fulfill YOUR obligations by stopping all rocket and mortar fire from Gaza, immediately, comprehensively and without excuses. After that, you can ensure the immediate return of Gilad Shalit. There will be nothing given to you in return - you've already had over 500 prisoners. After that, Israel should consider completing the disengagement from Gaza, by comprehensively cutting off the water and electricity.
4. For the love of G-d, take responsibility for yourselves!
Shuki   (12.17.07)
5. How Will It Ever Be Possible
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (12.17.07)
to make peace with Mr. Abbas if he continues to believe that the source of the problem is the fact that Jews are living in the Land of Israel? If he, and the Arabs, want to make real peace, let them acknowledge the right of the Jews to live anywhere and everywhere they wish in the Holy Land. Mr. Abbas's thinking is based on the incorrect idea that Jews do not have a legitimate right to live in our our land.
6. Simple doubletalk - Hamas said two days ago that it will
redmiike ,   tel aviv and london   (12.17.07)
never recognize Israel. Let's hear what Abbas has to say about that?! Is he willing for Gaza to be returned to Egypt? It was never joined to the WB! Two different peoples and never one nation! Abbas is just playing with words and the IMF says that even if Abbas gets every cent that he's asking for that the Palestinians will be worse off in 3 years time than they are now. Mike
7. Dear Mr Abbas
Hiram ,   Paris   (12.17.07)
Dear Sir, I fully agree with the fact that no negociations are possible with a bunch of murderers, Jew killers, anti-semitic hoodlums known today as "Hamas" whose ultimate goal is exclusively the Jihad and the accomplishment of all of the orders provided to them by their foreign masters. However, I do not really see how " the west" can be of help as long as the bearded dictators, terrorists, salafists are still " holding on " to Gaza. The options to them are very few : surrender and loose face, or hold on and turn Gaza into cahos and mass graves which will result from inter-community fighting. In times like this , I would like to see an international military force taking over Gaza and returning its control to Fatah. But will the international community support this ? And why did it take you , Mr Abbas, so long to realize that Mr Hanniyeh's ultimate goal was the satisfaction of his hyper-inflated ego ?
8. Who trusts pathological liars?
Marcel ,   Florida   (12.17.07)
Of course Israel does as do most of the perverted corrupt nations who do not believe God. They choose to believe lies and the liars. It's all part of God's plan to bring the nations up to Israel to judge them for their evil. They will come and they will be repaid for their evil against Israel.
9. Abbas and Palestine
israeli ,   israel   (12.17.07)
A president without a country, a country without a president.
10. Abbas is a pathetic liar and #1 terrorist!!
God   (12.17.07)
Dont believe to his false promises! He is #1 Terrorist and seek Israel distruction.In Arabic he says different then in English! He doesnt recognize Israel and support WAR AGAINST JEWS AND CHRISTIANS!
11. TO Matityahu , Slovenia
Marwan ,   Gaza   (12.17.07)
what gives you the right to encourage the suffering of an entire nation, and to promote hatred and spite, when your cowardly ass lies all the way in distant slovenia?!
12. #11 it's you who insists the world listens to your lies
david ,   usa   (12.17.07)
you act as if your suffering is not your own choice, you pretend that electing a terrorists entity like hamas is Israels fault, and the world must pay for your mistakes. every move that you make in gaza is to better position yourselves to harass the Jewish communities which surround your border. Your elected government hamas has not invested in your future unless your future is tied in directly with their aspirations to destroy Israel. All the money the world promises you will be directed only to that goal so how can you say we shouldn't secure Israel from you.
13. To Marwan of Aza. Hey Slovenia pays you it's Jew killing tax
Adam ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (12.17.07)
just like any other good EU country. Some people would like to see that their money is well spent.
14. when stupidity & stubbornness meets reality
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (12.17.07)
this is the situation you get. well, the palestinians collectively have been begging for this and we should not shed a tear when they get the thing they just HAD to have. enjoy!
15. Good Question Marwan
(12.17.07)
ask the Iranians for an answer.
16. Abbas should crush Hamas-snake before it bites him to death
KMR ,   Middle East   (12.17.07)
17. Mo' money
Gideon Reader ,   USA   (12.17.07)
So I say to the driver, says I,.."Can you go a bit faster, my good man?" 'e says to me,..."'ere! Do yer want to get us killed?" So as Gaza slips beneath the waves of chaos, we say goodbye to the thoughts of (standby,...ready kids? All together now) TWO NATIONS LIVING SIDE BY SIDE IN PEACE AND MUTUAL RESPECT!!! Betcha a new two sheq bit that there are still some moronic lefties and Achshavnikim who still believe that major load of donkey dung.
18. Simple, STOP BOMBING ISRAEL
David ,   Boston, USA   (12.17.07)
Instead of smuggling weapons, teaching hate and trying to kill, start trying to create a future. You get no sympathy from you. You reap what you sow. End the bombing of Israel and start working for your future. You even ransacked the hot houses, not once but twice. Act towards peace instead of against it. Stop struggling against peace.
19. If Abbas is truely serious...
Johnson ,   USA   (12.17.07)
He will crush Hamas, and send Haniyeh's head to Iran.
20. Abbas is a liar
Ephraim ,   Diaspora   (12.17.07)
It seems that Abbas has a different story each day. What is it to be Abbas? Today no uniting with hamas, tororrow, unite with hamas. Today, hamas is a threat to us, tomorrow, we will love and defend hamas. Today, hamas is our enemy, tomorrow, hamas is our brothers. Everyone tune in tomorrow when Abbas will kiss hamas and distribute the billions of dollars to hamas which was given by the stupid west.
21. I'm still waiting for Abbas to offer something
Steve ,   UK   (12.17.07)
So far we have the world underwriting the PA, Israel suffering through thousands of Qassams, released prisoners, endless concessions, but not one word from Abbas about what he's willing to put on the table. Meanwhile Hamas still lives, still operates, and will try to undo it all.
22. #11 - Once more, a hypocritical question
Steve ,   UK   (12.17.07)
"what gives you the right to encourage the suffering of an entire nation, and to promote hatred and spite, when your cowardly ass lies all the way in distant slovenia?! " The same right your Arab buddies have to encourage hatred and killing of Jews, even if their cowardly ass lies all the way in Iran, Saudi, Egypt...shall I go on?
23. ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF FLAWED ARAB LOGIC
zionist forever   (12.17.07)
The man contradicts himself WITHOUT INTERNATIONAL HELP GAZA IS HEADING FOR DISASTER I WILL NOT ACCEPT A DIALOGUE WITH HAMAS BASED ON A FAIT ACOMPLI So what does he want .. on one hand he wants the world to help Hamas controled Gaza but on the other hand he wont do any deals with Hamas that migh lead to Hamas giving up Gaza. I will never understand arab logic.
24. TO Marwan, Gaza
Joe ,   Los Angeles, CA   (12.17.07)
What gives you the right to occupy a land you let devolve into mosquito-filled swamps and barren desert? By the way, give us a little history regarding this Palestinian 'nation', if you will... Who were the kings of Palestine before it returned to its native inhabitants? What was its government like? Can you show me a Palestinian Constitution? Can you show me any Palestinian stamps or coins that WEREN'T printed/minted by the British? What evidence do you have that Palestinians are/ever were a nation? Linguistic evidence? Cultural evidence? New England is linguistically and culturally different from New York, but it doesn't mean that New Englanders and New Yorkers are different 'nations'. I challenge you to respond to me, Marwan!
25. To Gazas Citizens: Try this simple formula
Question for Gazans ,   USA   (12.17.07)
During an election year In the USA, we ask ourselves this simple question: Are we better off now than we were 4 years ago? In America's case, the answer is surely "No," so you can bet our next president will most likely be a Democrat. Now, I ask the people of Gaza who elected Hamas to represent them: Are you better off now than you were before disengagement? Think about it, please. Your future is in YOUR hands.
26. #25 Liberal
Right Wing Looney   (12.17.07)
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA In your world the new President of the United States will be a Democrat. In the real world it will be a Republican....Why??? Cause they are the only ones who really know what is going on while you libs are in fantasy land.
27. Abbas&co will use their Paris haul to improve their killing
of Jews ,   Alan SA   (12.17.07)
28. The Arabs must make very painful concessions for real peace!
Uzi ,   Haifa   (12.17.07)
The Arabs of the Land of Israel consistently demonstrate that they don't want, can't make and won't maintain real peace. They do want, however, to weaken Israel by gaining territory without 'giving' anything tangible. They ignore that "possession is nine tenths of the law" and that it's rather the Arabs who should come forward and spell out what they offer Israel in return for what they want. They also pretend not to get it that in this case "land for peace" is both immoral and unworkable. The Arabs had used the 'territories' to threaten, pester and attack Israel before we took these territories in self defence. They continue to plan, prepare and perpetrate genocide against Israel and pretend not to see that it would be suicide for Israel to concede anything in response to their threats and aggressive action. The Arabs must realize that the only way toward peace is that rather they themselves should offer, accept and be convincingly satisfied with 'painful' compromises.
29. Equitable and practicable Partition Plan that may work:
Uzi ,   Haifa   (12.17.07)
Israel should let Hamas to depose Abbas and smash Fatah, also in Judea and Samaria, on their way to abolish the PA and wipe it off the world map and consciousness. Then Israel should get rid of Hamas. This will open the way for the Kingdom of Jordan to take charge as the only viable nation state of all the Arabs of Greater Palestine. Having got rid of the PA and Hamas, Israel and Jordan should agree on the border between them in Judea and Samaria and maybe cede Gaza to Egypt that would sort it out quite smartly. Everybody, Jews and Arabs, should continue to live in peace where they are and nobody should move from their homes or land. Israelis who would thus become residents of the Kingdom of Jordan should be given rights and conditions like the Arabs in Israel.
30. There can never be separate Arab polity west of the Jordan!
Uzi ,   Haifa   (12.17.07)
The Arabs of Western Eretz Yisrael have consistently demonstrated that they are incapable of surviving unaided or ruling themselves, especially at the national polity level. They have never exercised their inherent right of self determination and now they expect others to determine and create for them that Mickey Mouse "state" which will never be. They constantly kill and steal from each other and lie to themselves, each other and the rest of the world. They never miss any opportunity to make atrocious choices and mistakes and they are incapable of sustaining and providing for themselves; they depend on others for everything. How on earth will they ever make it?
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