how quaint, now go make a pretty picture with the crayons and wipe the spittle from your jaw. The nurse is bringing your meds soon.

to end the war the Japanese began with the "Forceful' attack on pearl harbor!

Cameron, I don't claim Che was perfect, but he fought for justice as best he could. Many people died because of his and Castro's attempt at building a "perfect socialist state", but then many people died because of the founding of Israel, and many people have died due to the "liberation" of Iraq. At least the Cubans got universal healthcare and education out of the deal. As Che wrote in the "Motorcycle Diaries", he committed the sin "contra natura", he refused to follow the natural order and fought to free oppressed men from their oppressors. The end result of such an action in the rare instances in which it is successful is not universal freedom, but mere role reversal. Oppressed become oppressors, oppressors become oppressed, and a man like Che finds himself fighting against the people he previously liberated when they become like the oppressors he previously fought because he isn't supporting just one people, but an underclass in general whose members may change over time. That may be part of why he didn't stay in Cuba. "Nature" among men usually means that the strong enslave the weak... civilization and morality are concepts which attempt to diverge from the natural order in an effort to improve the lot of humanity on this earth. They should be used as constructs to benefit all mankind. There is, however, another way of viewing things... that the constructs of "civilization" and "morality" should be used as organizational tools for strengthening a society to gain an advantage over one's competitors, thus advancing one's cause at the expense of others. Both ideas work in theory, and most societies are a strange blend of the two concepts. That doesn't mean both concepts are right. My beliefs, and I believe Che's, fall squarely into the former category. Your advocacy may fall in the latter. As for Stuart, he's neither advocating morality nor civilization, and for that matter, not even religion. He's just advocating animal-on-animal violence. As I said previously, he simply eliminated civilized behavior from his argument, and was left with nature, proving that nature isn't always a pretty sight.

Certainly brought back old college memories of many sessions of having to listen to the expelling of much proletarian hot-air. Che was a self-proclaimed revolutionary who got exactly the kind of ending he merited. Martyr for the spread of the Marxist police state.