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Shas, Republicans join forces in fight against abortions
Neta Sela
Published: 09.01.08, 22:31
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1. could someone explain how can legislation stop abortions?
gabriela ben ari ,   jerusalem   (01.09.08)
any woman wanting an abortion WILL GET IT, legally or otherwise
2. Not True Abortions can be stopped
Mordechai   (01.10.08)
It's a lie saying women can get abortions even if they are illegal. Laws do deter behavior. Make sure the abortionist knows he will lose his freedom for 20 years and he will think twice before killing a Jewish child.
3. Shas and the Christian Extreme Right Deserve Each Other
David ,   Los Angeles   (01.10.08)
4. 1-So you'd legalize pedophilia? Rape? Murder? Etc.? Think!
Paqid 16 Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (01.10.08)
5. Shas and US Congressmen and laughable combination
Simon   (01.10.08)
So once again the religious extremists are telling women what they can and can not do with their bodies? How about cases of rape, should the woman keep the fetus, how about extreme abnormality of the fetus? Sorry but it is not in the hands of the Shas party and the "i believe" crowd to tell women what to do with their bodies.
6. Paqid , comparing you to a Jew ?
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.10.08)
Comparing pregnancy interruption to pedophilia , murder , rape , etc is the same as comparing you to an Orthodox Jew . Nothing similar , nothing in common .
7. Gaby , again , you are right !
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.10.08)
Pregnancy interruption should be allowed unther clear rules , not as it is done today .
8. Except in cases
Chaya ,   Bat Yam, Israel   (01.10.08)
where the life of the mother is in danger and rape. In cases of rape, it should be done immediately. When and if it is determined that the mother's life is in danger, it should be done as soon as possible. All other situations - oops! - You broke it; you bought it!
9. #3 + #8
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (01.10.08)
#3 - ITA #8 - Christian fundamentalists oppose abortion in cases of rape, their line is abortion makes the woman worse than the rapist. Many of them oppose abortion to save a woman's life too, refering to Paramount Right to Life of the Fetus. Now, if you want to see how much the religious right cares about children, as opposed to fetuses, look at their statements on health care. Once you're out of the womb, you're on your own, kiddo.
10. Abortion
Debra ,   Boston, MA - USA   (01.10.08)
How pathetic it is that no one has compassion for those who can't defend themselves. Abortion is legalized genocide. But then again, this world loves practitioners of the grotesque.
11. Shas & the Republicans
NYC Girl   (01.10.08)
Any time there are a bunch of men attempting to tell women what to do with their bodies, I'm always reminded of the comment, "If men could become pregnant...there'd probably be an abortion clinic on every corner."
12. #1 And 80% of all abortions are natural
Petra ,   usa   (01.10.08)
And the hypocrisy is amazing. Men impregnate women without thought of the 'moral' consequences' until it's time for an abortion. Then they act like catholic bishops only wanting more for the church. Let these men adopt and then come back to report to us. Slimy buggars, we have a law, womens bodies are safe from back alley abortions that killed or maimed many so they could never become pregnant. Men have no place in this most personal decision a woman makes concerning her body and her baby. The men are gone to 'church'. Hypocrites!
13. # 8 What 's the Difference
Thomas   (01.10.08)
for the unborn whether it was conceived by a rapist or by a failed contraceptive?
14. Clarification
gabriela ben ari ,   jerusalem   (01.10.08)
From my tb #1 it looks (for those who never read my previous tbs on the topic) that I'm all for abortion. Just the oposite. I think it quite borders on murder. My point is that i've heard first hand of many abortions carried out (back in the old country, not in Israel) in less than professional environments by less than proffesional people, just because it is not legal there. Problem is, I never heard of someone not having her abortion when she wanted to. One of the girls died in the process. If a bill like that comes into being in Israel, then headlines in the newspapers will read of the great sucess and the drastical decrease in abortions, which will be BS. The decrease, will of course be on paper. Who knows how many will be done in less than ideal conditions ?
15. #9 DOROTHY FRIEND amen lady!!!!
Petra ,   usa   (01.10.08)
Men swiftly follow their pants and the paying for this swift OOPs is never paid by them or society.( unless there's a paternity suit) Yet, we have these morality cops so willing to dictate what others do with their bodies and their personal decisions. I can't help of think of the closets full of political hypocrites in toilets and senate page boys pants. Perhaps no abortions are then worried about? They make speeches and then, go and boff a boy! Sounds like a catholic convention until you witness the additional sin of raping a boy or denying a woman protection under the law. It's a amns world and the rest in trouble are yoyo(s), Your On Your Own!
16. # 10 Debra Are you an adoptive parent?
Petra ,   usa   (01.10.08)
Just wondering. So many unwanted babies in orphanges... So many hungry, beaten, neglected kids. So few adoptive homes. BTW, we did adopt and I still maintain it's not for us to judge either the womans pregnancy or her decisons. Why? She gets absolutley no help from those who condemn her. Remember Solomon? Neither of us are that wise. Either adopt or, please, stop judging.80% of all adortions are natural.
17. Gaby ,
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.10.08)
For me pregnancy interruption is a last resort and a failure in behaviour . No , i'm not in favor of non regulated interruptions , there have to be restrictions , but it is not murder if done in an early stage . You know what i think , women don't have this interruption with joy , it's a painfull decision with psychic and physic consequences . But to have an unwanted child , is it better ?
18. I don't understand why anti abortions claim
BUSH ,   USA   (01.10.08)
as nyc girl and others the complaint that it is their bodies and people have no right to tell them how to use it. Do Rabbis or republicans demand from ladies not to get plastic surgery etc. Would rabbis or republicans not reprimand a parent from killing a 1 yr old 10 yr old or a fetus. It's the childs life they want not ruling womens bodies so everyone grow up with the chidish complaint. The woman is no different from another having the baby and throwing him in a garbage can or drowning him in a bathtub. Murderers convincing others why it's okay to murder because its their body
19. A Christian Evangelist once told me...
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (01.10.08) of the worse things about abortion is that it cuts into the supply of healthy white baby boys. For all of her concern about babies, she had no interest in all those unhealthy mixed raced girls that weren't being adopted.
20. Congressmen and Rabbis want to ban abortions
Eli ,   israel   (01.11.08)
Back to the dark ages. The ayatollas have it.
21. To Gabriella, #1
Joe Berman ,   Jerusalem   (01.11.08)
Abortion is the murder of the most innocent and pure. Of course, one can't stop another from murdering but that doesn't mean it should be legal. If a woman doesn't want a child, there are plenty of ways to prevent it before she is even one month pregnant. THERE IS NO NEED TO KILL INNOCENT BABIES
22. # 10 Debra Have sons?
Petra ,   usa   (01.12.08)
Please tell them if they commit adultery, to wear a rubber. Then, no worries. Unwanted pregnancies have always been the case when an unprotected sex act occurs. The man gets his jollys and splits, the woman, must pay the consequences. She is not to be blamed for the mens lust or refusal to help her with his child that he never wanted anyway. Stop blaming the woman who may have been the victim once, and then, with others insisting she keep the baby, the victim twice. Unless you're willing to adopt, you have no say in the matter. Perhaps you'd rather herd the kids into orphanges where no one cares about them as long as they don't have to see or support them. Your words are cheap you pay nothing but lip service while kids live in poverty. Only G-d may judge others for this most personal matter. Life is a death sentence anyway, either you support the unwanted babies or not. Words are cheap. Raisng a child is a lifes work. Either be a part of the solution or,, you become a part of the problem.
23. # 8 Does that mean the man pays for HIS child?
Petra ,   usa   (01.12.08)
or does OOOPs say it all? Many of us are oops, and we're still here while mothers have a choice these days. Why blame the woman alone? It takes two and usually, the man splits and the woman stays. It's a mans world and HIS children too. Where are the men in this conversation? Under a bed, hiding? A womans body is just that, HERS. Not the states, not a religious leader not anyone but her decision. OOPs my ass, such a shallow nothing of a response. Might as well be Britney Spears, OOOPs I did it again, aint gonna make it. Would you say this to your daughter if she were raped? OOPS? Your talking about lives here, not just your oops.
24. 80% of all abortions are natural
Petra ,   usa   (01.12.08)
and no one says a word. Wars, famines, are all another later form of abortions if you consider people die prematurely by decisions of the state. G-d be the judge not us. We are not capable of knowing the mind of G-d. Even Solomon told two women agruing over one child to kill it, remember? Solomon was considered wise. We are niether wise or kings. Women have libetry that a Jew named Jesus gave first. Anyone here without sin? I've got a load of rocks for you.
25. # 2 Mordechai A woman can abort herself without a Dr.
Petra ,   usa   (01.12.08)
they used coat hangers, they sometimes bled to death but, that's okay with you? The reason for legal abortion was to save the life of the mother who may have accidentally killed herself in a back alley abortion or, tried it and failed by herself and paid the price by maiming herself or, bleeding to death. I know of two DRs who've used meds to end a suffering patients life suffering from advanced cancer.( this happened in my family) No one says a word. Life and death are very serious subjects that we know little of. Condemn these women and you'll see more dead Jewish women. I doubt this is what you want.
26. # 21 You forgot to mention rape or incest.
Petra ,   usa   (01.12.08)
Why blame the women only? Where are the men ? Running from paying either child support or for an abortion. Let the men hire hookers, cheaper, safer, no babies allowed. Pefect solution for you, or, they can become gay and not worry about producing babies, naturally. The Jews used to stone adulterers to death. Is that your preference? Why stone only the woman? Because your a man.? If your daughter or granddaughter were raped, would you feel the same? LOL what if the father were black? Keep the baby and you'd be soooo proud, sure you would! Stop attacking women. Men have a role in this drama also.
27. # 20 Eli You got it!!!!
Petra ,   usa   (01.12.08)
28. Petra , you are so right !
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.12.08)
But you have to know that here women can have an pregnancy interruption at a very late stage , only for the reason , that there is a slight deformation . And here i totally disagree . And no question of rape or unwanted pregnancy here .
29. It's the opposite! : Israel has no declining birthrate!
John ,   Amsterdam, Holland   (01.12.08)
30. Well, I am FOR abortions
Why? Because any women should decide for herself if she wants it or not. YOU decide for yourself! Abortion is not killing, because the fetus doesnt feel a thing!
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