I was born and raised in Europe, and yes, my eyes work, and Jews look like Mediterranean people. Believe me, I was born and raised in Europe and I know what European Jews look like. Even the Nazis sent soldiers to beat up people with "Jewish appearance" on the streets and mistook them for Italians and Spaniards. My grandparents spoke Jiddish, and Jiddish consists of many Hebrew words. I never said that Hebrew words dominate Jiddish, I said that many Hebrew words are used in Jiddish. Considering the fact that I am giving you facts and information that deal with reality and not fantasy, I am the one that has the legitimacy to say "I don't want to waste my time on people that don't know what they say". Honestly, you don't know what you say. Please try to understand this before the end of the this century: Israeli is an ethnicity that has existed for the past 4000 years. If Israeli is a citizenship, then Israel is clearly "a country for everybody". It is not. Israel is a country only for the Jews and Jews are descendants of the ancient Hebrews or Israelites. We are one people and nationalism and patriotism, a state, a flag, a common culture and a common history is totally meaningless if a Jew "is only a religion". What you felt does not interest me a bit - you did not "feel" that you are Israeli. That's strange, because I have always felt like an Israeli, despite being born and raised in the diaspora. Once again, you failed to mention what country you were born in. The essence of Germany is German ethnicity and German culture, so it doesn't really matter what Turks and other minorities say - they are not Germans, they are Turks, with German citizenship. The essence of Israel is Israeli/Jewish ethnicity, culture and religion, and therefore, an ethnic Jew is an ethnic Israeli. Jews outside Israel, could rightfully be called "ethnic Israelis born and raised in exile, without Israeli citizenship", but they are still ethnic Israelis. The same origin, the same religion, the same history, the same culture and the same original language - Hebrew. Dividing the people is very dangerous Charles and you cannot change what people feel. Israelis are a people and they consider themselves to be a people. What the "majority" of Jews inside and outside Israel "feel" regarding the "differences" between native Jews/Israelis and exile Jews/Israelis does not interest me a bit. Jews are prominent in many areas - such as science, culture, philosophy and religion, but Jews have shown an abysmal, insurmountable idiocy within understanding their national or ethnic identity and their national interests - that is why Jews are arguing, like always, and that is what Jews rule a microscopical territory, whose leaders are willing to sacrifice - it's pathetic. Speak for yourself - you can be a "Jew with Israeli citizenship" - basically a Jew that is a guest in his own land. I am an ethnic Jew or ethnic Israeli, and I consider myself to be a master in my own land, and Arabs and Druze are guests.

Native Israelis' parents and grandparents were born and raised outside Israel, because they were a Jewish/Hebrew/Israelite/Israeli nation in exile for 2000 years. Native Israelis or native Jews that both want support from diaspora Jews and dismiss their brothers and sisters, those native Israelis should be spitten in the face. If a native Israeli will reject me as "different" I will spit him in the face and I will not help him when he is in danger. You cannot both ask for help and stab that someone in the back - that is immoral. Diaspora Jews cannot be punished for being born and raised in the diaspora - in the same way as native Israelis or native Jews cannot be given any praise or medals for being born in Israel, because it is not an achievement to be born or raised on a spot because your parents moved there. In the same way, diaspora Jews that do move to Israel, should be given credit, because they have made a chose to move back to Israel, and in the very same moment, I expect cocky and arrogant individuals among native Israelis, to shut their mouths. The pathetic need for many native Israelis or native Jews to make a separation between themselves and the diaspora Jews can probably be traced to the trauma of the Holocaust. Native Israelis wanted to "create" a "new" Jew, as if they were talking about a new issue of a new Ferrari model. The problem is that self-preception, self-knowledge, strenght, pride and intelligence come form the inside, even if you have been exposed to harsh events. My ethnicity is Israeli/Jewish, no matter if sabrahs or exile Jews are willing, unwilling, able or unable to understand it.

with all your nice words , you are wrong , i'm right . I was NEVER Israeli before making Alyah . I even know an inhabitant here in Israel , a Jewish person , who made alyah in 1958 , yes 50 years ago , and who is not an Israeli citizen , only a resident . Regarding Hebrew words in Yiddish , exept some Shabbes sholem , saifer toyre , and other related words , not many to find there . You can consider Jews abroad as Israelis , but don't tell it them , they will laugh at you , and with reason , it's ridicule . I'm not a guest here since 2001 , i was a guest before making alyah . Over and out , enough of my time lost with you , stay with your very wrong stupid ideas

It is always a pleasure writing to you and debating with you - but not necessarily and intellectual satisfaction on my part though. "Wrong and stupid ideas" ? That's strong words don't you think? I mean, considering the fact that I have explained to you thoroughly the essence of Jewishness and Israeliness, you don't seem to follow me. Most diaspora Jews would laugh at me if I would call them "Israelis"? Well naturally. Most diaspora Jews laughed at Zionists a century ago, as most Jews had difficulties adapting to the thought of being at home at your place. Most Jews laughed at Jabotinsky and his warnings about genocide on Jews, and his passion for Jewish nationalism, individualism and Jewish army. They laughed at him, but they were not laughing anymore when they were sent to the camps by the Nazis. Ridicule? Jews of the diaspora are ridiculing themselves as their comments about our identity necessitates intellectual suicide. How can the essence of Israel be Israeli/Jewish ethnicity and culture/religion on one hand, and "Israeliness" about passport? That is ludicrous my friend. The reason why Israeli authorities can issue Israeli passports to both ethnic Jews/Israelis and goyim, is because the essence and identity of Israel is Jewish/Israeli ethnicity/religion/culture. The reason why Germany can issue German passports to both ethnic Germans and non-Germans is because Germany is a German state. There must obviously be a connection between the host nation's name and the host people's name. I hope it's not too difficult to understand? 800 years ago, most Europeans thought earth was flat. Today's native and exile Jews/Israelis believe "earth is flat". Sooner or later, they will understand that they are the same people. Demographics is on Israel's side and sooner or later, almost all Jews will live in Israel and this meaningless and pathetic farce will finally come to and end, and future Jews/Israelis will ridicule both you and today's diaspora Jews. Take my word for it. Tell me something: Is Italian a citizenship or an ethncity? If it is a citizenship, then clearly, American-Italians cannot call themselves "Italians" can they? So why is it that 99,99% of mankind have names similar both to their ethnicities and countries, whereas Jews are called differently depending on what country they live in and what passport they have? That is double-standards you know.

Sorry but I have to protest here! Israel is MY country jut like it is of Israelis. When I'm there, I'm happy... when I leave it I'm crying... I wouldn't say to my parents when visiting them: "I'm only a guest in your house". I'm a guest in France, in Italy, in the US, bit sorry I'm NOT a simple guest in Israel!

that if you want to TRUELY consider Israel as your country , make Alyah . If you feel at home here , don't stay in Budapest . I'm not saying this to blame or diminish you , only to encourage you to come [ i know , not an easy decision ] When visiting your parents , you are not a guest , but you don't behave in the same way as in your house . Maybe the word guest is not 100 % appropriate when you visit us , but you are not Israeli yet . You have certainly very different feelings when coming here , than when visiting other countries , i think every Jew has this . Yes , i too was very happy here , and returned to Europe with a sad mood . Here , sometimes when talking to Vatikim i have a bad feeling . Do you understand Yiddish ? When i made Alyah : Bin ich gekimmen zi a graiten thish . Everything was ready for me , they had worked hard ,suffered , fought many wars , and i came here , only to enjoy .

Charles, it is obvious that you have a muddled and confused idea of your identity, but nationality is much deeper than a citizenship embodied of a paper with a signature on it. I feel truely sorry for you. I on the other hand, I have always been Israeli. Your identity, ethnicity and nationality is carried from birth to death.