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Continue the siege
Effie Eitam
Published: 27.01.08, 15:19
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1. Well done!!!!
Eldad ,   Jerusalem   (01.27.08)
MK Eitam, great op-ed. When MK Elon is Prime Minister, he should make you Defense Minister.
2. a voice of wisdom,
RobertK ,   Jerusalem   (01.27.08)
reason, and sound moral logic from a leader of the most patriotic Israeli community, the national-religious.
3. alfi eitan the monkey
(01.27.08)
you will one day pay for your murderios and unhumen thinking you are equel to a pig and never a humen being
4. Right on target
Jack ,   USA   (01.27.08)
Of course no nation would allow another to continued to fire rockets, carry out terrorist attacks across boarders. If Mexico was launching rockets into NewMexico, California, Arizona etc. we would invade to stop them certainly if the Govt. of Mexico was responsible we would destroy it. I would pose the same questions to the soverign nations in Europe, if Belgeim were firing rockets into France what would they do. To provide any type of aid is just stupid and criminal. In the end its you the Israeli Jews at fault, you have not demanded new elections, allowed this Olmert, Livini and Barak to remain in power and its you too Shas who is responsible for Jewsish deaths by remaining in power. I have said it before, you have the wrong people in power at the right time. You should have never allowed Olmert to take control after Sharon. You only hope is Benjamin Netanyahu and Moshe Arens.
5. siege
Barbara Carter ,   Beer Sheva, Israel   (01.27.08)
Having spent some time in Sderot, I agree with Eitam. It would be unthinkable in any other country to supply ANYTHING to someone trying their best to kill all the residents!! Why does our government continue to supply one bit of power of any kind to Gaza?? Our government should be protecting US not helping our enemies!
6. Eitam is right!!
Chaya ,   Bat Yam, Israel   (01.27.08)
Whatever we do, much of the world will be against us!! Instead of worrying about what they think of us, we should be worrying about our own citizens!!
7. um, i don't think he knows what "unthinkable" means
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (01.27.08)
because it has been thought of and done a long time ago.
8. In your "Banana Republic" - anything is possible...
Mike ,   London   (01.27.08)
9. Israel Only allow or block the supply, but does Not supply
observer   (01.27.08)
so, why all the fuss; to have more money or to satisfy your grandiosity, Effie Eitam.
10. electricity, fuel used by Qassam terrorists?
observer   (01.27.08)
who said they can not fire Qasaam without electricity, fuel? man!, that is called collective punitive action to Gazan civilians at its least, and disproportionate reaction at its most.
11. To Topple a Regime
Jose' ,   Israel   (01.27.08)
Historically, there have been successful and unsuccessful attempts to topple regimes. In WW2, for example, the carpet bombing of Germany's cities in which hundreds of thousands died did not slacken the industrial production, and did not result in a popular uprising. The overthrow of the Shah in Iran, on the other hand was an internal affair. Aparthied in South Africa did not end because of economic sanctions by the world. If our purpose is to foment an uprising against the Hamas, you had better come up with a more effective suggestion.
12. The first step to topple HAMAS is to topple Olmert/Barak
Squalid Ibn Harman ,   Qtir   (01.27.08)
13. Sharon would have said same, but then DONE IT!
Stephane ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (01.27.08)
no one leads Israel but a corrupt lawyer that is america's pet just to look good as THE peacemaker. we are shooting ourselves in the foot, over and over. come back arik!!
14. Elected MK Eitam is irrelevant: Bagaz decides foreign policy
Feiglin Supporter ,   Galut   (01.27.08)
Israel will eventually have civil strife between a Feiglin-dominated Knesset and the Bagaz. Whose orders will the police and army follow??
15. argument makes no sense
solitarioh2005 ,   lisbon,portugal   (01.27.08)
The arguments of this fellow make no sense. His argument. Pali elected a terror organization and theregore are paying the price. By that logic palestinians could say israel is paying the price of making palis paying the price of electing hamas. The point of view of this fellow has exactly the same logic of the hamas arguments. Besides the embargo already damaged.., Israel.., not Hamas. Israel image is in Shambles. With such people in power israel itself would have been subjected to a embargo in one year time.
16. both claim to be moraly right RIGHT ???
M. S. ,   mpls america   (01.27.08)
I realize at times Israel uses the Hallocaust of W W II and the dispersal called the Disporia by J*wish people through out the world as moral reasons to justify military actions still Israel continues to kill Arabs more of them then Quassams kill Israelis so who is moraly justifyed may be both but certainly not just 1 not the other so need look at the biger over all picture may be RIGHT ??? thank you... M. S.
17. #9 + 10
gadi ,   idf   (01.27.08)
dude, its not about if they can fire kassams with or without our fuel, food, water, electricity... it's about the logic idiot! would you give a dog food that bites you in the hand everytime you feed him? your comments are so full of crap i dont know if to laugh or to cry of your stupidity. get a brain loser!
18. #4 target man
observer   (01.27.08)
if Guatemala or Canada demands that the US completely block the movements of people across the US-Mexico border and across its sea and air routes, and the US submits to them, then you are exactly on target.
19. To Feiglin Supporter
Israeli ,   Jerusalem   (01.27.08)
Nice to see another Feiglin-supporter around here :) I wouldn't worry about the good ol' Supreme Court. As Feiglin loves to say, the emperor has no clothes. People are starting to wake up to the leftist-domination of the court-systems and are rejecting it. And why doesn't Effie Eitam just join the Likud already? Because he wears a Kippah? Get with the times!
20. Why Doesn't Israel Make Killing Fields?
Dave Levy ,   Burbank. CAUSA   (01.27.08)
To Jose: You are absolutely right. Our USA policy in the M.E., is not working..to bring democracy. No foreign power can change another's regime. except by an all out invasion. Israel's problems are manyfold., thus it's many dilemmas. What to do? What would Bibi and Arens do differently? Would they invade Gaza..re-occupy the land fully? Would they destroy it's cities, one by one, to avenge Sderot? How would they react to the US and world's reactions? Would the US stop any aid to Israel (30b over 10 yrs)? How does Iran play into this? If Israel angers Bush, would he, as promised negate any Iran's nukes? As far as Israeli boycotts, it seems it wants it both ways...are their shekels here? Who benefits from the sales. If Gaza is an enemy entity, why does Israel have any trade with it? Why not seal Israel's side of the borders completely..land mines and all? Make a killing field out of the border..like the Koreas. What is really going on? CAN ANYONE ANSWER ME?
21. Writing a talkback to this ...
Chanalau, Tova ,   London, UK   (01.27.08)
... would be like commenting on the content of a used pampers.
22. Eitam you are 100% RIGHT. Olmert must go!
Gary A., MD ,   Boston, MA, USA   (01.27.08)
Israel cannot survive a leader as bad as Olmert. He is a national disgrace.
23. AMEN!
Zooog ,   USA   (01.27.08)
24. When Leaders Fail To Protect The Results Are Catastrophic
Adina Kutnicki ,   US   (01.28.08)
It is inherently perverse for Israel's leaders to listen to the pleas of enemy 'civilians' as well as to international outcries, while at the same time they turn stone deaf ears to the cries of their Jewish citizens. In no small measure the fact that Israel's leaders cravenly appease enemy 'civilians' they have become the tormentors of their own. The best outcome would be for an IAF SUSTAINED air campaign to assasinate the leaders non stop. Once this is accomplished the IDF ground forces should come in to do the clean up, and to eliminate ANYONE who stands in their way. By every right the Zionists should expect their leaders to mow down the enemy entity. IF they refuse to bomb them into submission, the least they can do is lay siege to their supplies, and then ratchet up the pressure from various fronts. NOT to do so means they are in collusion with the enemy.
25. Flipside
Saeed Uri ,   Washington, DC   (01.28.08)
To justify collective punishment against the Palestinians for electing the "wrong" party is interesting Does this give the Palestinians the right to punish the Israelis for electing the wrong government? Is this not the same argument terrorist organizations use when they kill civilians? And it is obvious how that worked out for them. I do not understand how a Palestinian Parliment member advocating for attacks against civilians is any different than an Israeli Knesset member advocating the starvation of a people.
26. Well said, but we don't need to topple Hamas
Antonio ,   Haifa   (01.28.08)
We need to lock the Arabs out of this country. Who cares who rules them?
27. #25 the flip side? are you a crazy? obama supporting muzzie?
jack bauer   (01.28.08)
if your arab people elected a political party that is one thing. But they elected a terrorist group, that has continued to attack the Israelites. They kiddnapped israelis, they shot civilians, including foreign ones....and shoot mortars and rockets daily! Your squatting, terror supporting, theiving, crybaby, arab, brothers and sisters asked for what they get. you should be forced to swear an oath of loyalty to the USA. If you wont do it you should be deported
28. Hamas
Yisraeli   (01.28.08)
Im a Feiglin supporter too, hes the only one that really makes any sense. Hey I dont want to topple Hamas, Id rather have an enemy thats truthful of its intentions then the lieing snakes of Fatah. Easier to vanquish them this way. Hamas is actually doing well for Israel by making Gaza the a Hell Hole on earth making many leave the area. I dont want any so called peace with them I want them all to go to other arab countries and make the gaza region a middle easy disneyland.
29. Stop trying to topple
Alex ,   Miami, FL USA   (01.28.08)
You left Gaza, stop worrying about who runs it. It's a hostile regime, cut off electricity, fuel, and non-humanitarian aid. For humanitarian Aid, allow the Red Cross to turn it over to MDA, who can take it to the old check points and the Palestinian Red Cross can pick it up. Aid can include enough fuel to run the ambulances. It is not Israel's right or concern to worry itself about who is in charge in Gaza, that's for the Gazans to worry about. Israel stopped disputing Gaza and withdrew. Right or wrong, you're not claiming the land, so stop worrying about what goes on in there. If Gaza attacks you, hit it back. Level what you need to, capture what you need to. The more you play with the Palestinians and do tit-for-tat collective punishment, the more you remain an occupying power governed by the Geneva conventions. End the Gaza occupation by supplying nothing, and sealing up a border with a hostile force. Then you deal with attacks from Gaza under the Laws of War, you declare war, do what you want, and declare a cessation of hostilities. The more you try to tell the Palestinians what to do inside their area the more you end up in these stupid arguments with the Israeli Courts and the EU. You should concern yourself with the government of Gaza about as much as you concern yourself with the government of Iraq... if they are open to a peace treaty and normalization of relations, meet to discuss, otherwise, if missiles aren't flying, ignore them. International Law recognizes territory disputes, occupation and occupational authorities, annexation of land in defensive wars, states of peace and belligerency, and cease fires. It doesn't recognize the right to control a nations borders (except with yours) and harass it's government without a state of belligerency. The sooner you force the Gazans to govern themselves as a nation-state, the sooner you'll have a sane South.
30. Easy to stop Collective Punishment
Alex ,   Miami, FL USA   (01.28.08)
When you declare "we'll cut supplies if you do X, increase if you do Y," and those supplies are for a population under occupation, that is collective punishment, plain and simple. Sorry Israel, but that's the reality. If you instead actually end your occupation, and stop micromanaging them, and have nothing to do with them (disown their use of your currency, void/freeze their accounts, stop supplying their electricity/fuel), then they actually aren't under occupation. Sure they'll be worse off then now, but that's their problem. Israel isn't responsible for the well-being of a hostile Gaza territory. It IS responsible to not engage in collective punishment of a population under occupation. There is a territory dispute in Judea and Samaria, there isn't in Gaza (anymore), so stop getting yourself in hot water, and stop caring who the Gaza government is. If the Gazans pick a government that you can make peace with, terrific, if they don't, either ignore them or treat them as a belligerent. If they attack, do what you want towards a hostile enemy. Stop this middle ground where you get no territory from Gaza (you already ceded it) but all the responsibilities of an occupying power because you give them stuff.
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