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Let gays march
Or Shai
Published: 30.01.08, 07:20
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31. The Real test is to the author
yoni ,   jerusalem   (01.30.08)
Will the author of this article along with his left wing liberal friends actually realize that not everything goes? Will you realize that having sexual relations with the same gender is wrong? Will you try to stand up for morals truth and the right thing? How about helping instead of just saying its ok? How about trying to make a difference and not just accept it? Where is your human values? where are your priorities? Are you an honest person or does that also not matter anymore?
32. Let the gays march, but in Ramalla or Hamastown.
Straight Guy ,   Israel   (01.30.08)
They must not be allowed to pollute Yerushaliem ir Hakodesh. If they want respect, they give respect. Right now, they have not earned any respect.
33. CHECK MATE !
AVROHOM BILGREI ,   ZION   (01.30.08)
BY YOUR OWN WORDS ! YOUR WORD OR SHAI : "tendencies" ANOTHER OF YOUR WORDS: GAY "PRIDE" IN THE CONTEXT OF JEWISHNESS (THIS IS A JEWISH STATE); JUST AS YOU WOULD DEFEND YOUR "STATE", I DEFEND MINE(ISRAEL) - PRIDE IS A SIN THAT WE PRAY FOR FORGIVENESS; REGARDLESS OF IT'S APPLICATION, ON YOM KIPPER ! WE ALL HAVE TENDENCIES, WE ALL HAVE A PURPOSE, G-D HAS A PURPOSE, THAT IS UNFULFILLED WITH NON CREATIVE COPULATION ! WHERE YOU WANT TO STICK YOUR GENITALIA, DOESN'T MOVE ME TO AN IOTA OF PASSION BUT, THE OUTCOME MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH & PRECLUDES ANY POSSIBILITY THAT ANY "THING" WILL COME OF IT, THAT MIGHT ENJOY HEALTH ! YES, TENDENCIES ARE WHAT MAKES US HUMAN; SUPERIOR TO ANGELS (I DIDN'T SAY FAIRIES), IT'S CALLED FREE WILL ! I DO UNDERSTAND TENDENCIES, I DO UNDERSTAND FEELING GOOD, I AM EXTREMELY TOLERANT; EXCEPT FOR ONE THING, POORLY THOUGHT OUT IDEAS THAT REFLECT TOTAL INDIFFERENCE TO OTHERS ARE "UNCIVILIZED" AND AN AFFRONT TO MY INTELLIGENCE. GENDER, COLOR, ETHNICITY, OR YOUR THEOLOGY, OR SIZE DOESN'T MUCH CONCERN ME ,UNLESS IT REFERS TO YOUR BRAIN AND IT REFLECTS "SMALLNESS !
34. Pass me a barf bag, quick.
Kev ,   London   (01.30.08)
As if Israel doesn't have enough on it's plate.
35. Amazing
Emanuel ,   Pakistan   (01.30.08)
Isnt it amazing that the Jewish people were the first to proclaim homosexuality as a sin/abomination. And now we find the same people fighting for the rights of those people. I understand that most of them dont like homosexuals but I just cant understand how a jewish person beliving in Torah can be or support homosexuals.
36. its really about poking your finger in the eye of those.....
jack bauer   (01.30.08)
who love and follow torah. these "pride" parades are a sham, designed to provoke and promote their agenda. It is against Hashem, and thus they want it in the holy city, the hometown of Hashem. It should never have been allowed in the first place. I agree with 32.... let them march, how about in arab religious areas, instead of haredi areas.... what will happen then? as for 30 you can believe whatever you want, but dont flaunt and provoke those who follow torah and do believe in Hashem. You say others have no right to force their beliefs on you? OK then, but You have no right to force your abomonations on others
37. MK Ze'ev is a very sick man
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (01.30.08)
Ok, so you don't like Gays. I don't like religious coercion but I do not go around comparing the Ultra-Orthodox to the Black Plague as he did comparing the Gay community to Bird Flu. His implication is that Gays should be eradicated in the same way as we eradicate Bird Flu and we all know what that means. We all know that MK Ze’ev advocated the concentration of Gays in Rehabilitation Camps. In some civilized countries the Shas MK's statement would even be viewed as a "Hate Crime". MK Ze'ev should take a good look at his own before criticizing the Gay community. It should be noted how many child rapists and wife abusers are members the Haredi community. The problem is that Ze’ev and other homophobe MK’s hide behind their Knesset Immunity and the skirts of power drunk Rabbis! No community is perfect but to preach the destruction of one, as did the Nazis, is certainly disgusting.
38. dear mr Straight Guy # 32
Simon ,   TA Israel   (01.30.08)
Well the fact that gay people cant march in Palestinian controlled areas is becuase unlike in Israel they live in a situation run by religious fanatics that deny them their freedom and democracy. And yes there are plenty of Gay Palestinians. in fact there is a group that represent them as they do not have the freedom to join us. The gay march is held in Jerusalem as Jerusalem is supposed to be the democratic capital of Israel. No one group has the right to deny another group their rights just because they dont agree with their cause. We are also marching for freedom and democracy for all. who is next to be denied democracy? Ethiopeans, Yeminites, single mothers , quite a scary thought my friend isnt it? Do you want to live in "Shasistan" then i suggest you try Tehran for a week or 2.
39. Grosssss article targeting school girls and guys
KP   (01.30.08)
This article is a disguise. Trying to trick us to be like him. were not stupid you know. Why else would this guy describe what normal guys and girls feel and then try to make it look like these feelings are the person property of gays? What do gays have a monopoly on growing up? He thinks he knows the problems of growing up today. Stuff has changed. Everybody has ups and downs, sexual urges? Especially in Israeli schools. Thats why people should keep their opinions to themselves. We sort things out without stupid suggestions. Gays like this writer are always pressuring people to accept them and the gay people want to change everyone to be upset and goofy like them. I for one don't want to be the gay clown that people look at like some kind of experiment monkey. Wig boy wants us to believe that only disturbed closet gays have feelings and that if your normal and have feelings you are part of "them". As if only gays have feelings. Give me a break. Telling normal people they are in the closet. Hey wig boy, there is no closet. That's just a make believe from someone who has spent to much time being angry in their own head instead of trying to live in the world. He even uses the fact that girls like a "gay guy" (obviously he thinks this is cool jargon) to get normal boys to see it as a way to meet girls. Like some guy is going to be stupid enough to try and be a "gay guy" to meet chicks. He watches too much of old video cassettes. What he doesn't say is that the girls don't even look at gays as an option for a boyfriend. Loser idea that only works in the movies (make believe wig boy) Or Shai I think your a pervert because you describe school like it is the place where gays were founded. Everybody knows it was old men that started the latest movement. Besides school has no relevance to gay demonstrations and you know it. The whole article is a cover. Trying to pull a fast one on my friends. I didn't fly when you were in high school it wont now wigggg boyyyy. From you picture it looks like you have some issues. Try a smartoot on your head cause the mop hair aint cutting it. Soo 80s. I mean what, do you think your still in high school. Forget it, you can't go back, your too old. Try washing your hair and cutting it? I would reccomend my sister's hair salon, but I would be afraid of her next to someone who thinks gays and gay deseases are in high schools. I see the picture and it reminds me of the Tel Aviv Bus Station and the offensive smells in every corner that burn your nostrils. Leave this generation out of your fantasy wig-boy. High school. I think everyone wonders what they will do in the future. Its a little exciting and a little scary, who cares? People are not as confused as this wig-boy describes. Who doesn't watch the gay guy and shake their head wondering how much crap he takes from others. Its like watching the fish in the fish tank. It doesn't mean we want to be fish. This guy would be the only one who wants to be a fish. I want to have a family and a house and a nice car. I don't want to have to adopt someone elses baby to look normal or to try and explain to my children why they have no mother. I have dreams of good things. Who wants to be old and alone cause your gay friend has died of aids. Like who is he to say what high schools students feel anyway? This guy is trying so hard to look cool in his picture and he still talks about high school. Move on buddy make room for the next class. If it is really that good, no one needs to sell it. The whole parade thing is to fake the idea that they are really having fun. I hate phony BS. They don't have fun,
40. Simon Abpaqcharinmon
Josh   (01.30.08)
Hi Charles or is it Simon or is it Able or is it???? Your writing style is showing through again, poor guy. An athiest orthodox Jew who can't deny Jesus, posts under many aliases to incite people is now posting as Simon the gay? Tell me its not true? You would fit in with some now infamous preists of the US that are bancrupting the church with lawsuits. Pretty much the same issue, if you ask me. The same guy who wants me to meet him, tell him where I live, and tells me he imagines me getting excited watching documenatries. If it is you Charles, your a loser. Who ever it is I don't question you are not normal main stream heterosexual.
41. Israel will become a Theocracy whether you like it or not
(01.30.08)
JUST CHECK YOUR BIRTHRATES. Religious WAY UP Secular/Athiest 1 or no children You do the math
42. No Gays in Iran
Petra ,   usa   (01.30.08)
at least Israel with her religion and democracy, doesn't hang them in public, just on TBs. I don't care where they march, it doesn't affect me or my house. Let them do what they want, and others do as they choose. Being gay is a chemical difference in bodies, not a choice. Who the hell would choose to be rejected, scorned, or beaten? Gimme a break. Live and let live. Beats the other 'religious' Muslim nations who murder women and kids for 'religious' purposes. Remember, Hitler murdered Gays, Jews, Jevhovah witnesses and any and all they chose to murder. So, again, live and let live. The gays don't want to sleep with you, they just want the freedom as any other group, religious or not to march publicly. Look the other way and stop the bullshit.
43. Jack Bauer , WRONG
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.30.08)
They AVOID marching in the charidi area , or is the whole of Jerusalem a charidi area for you ? Had they wanted to march there , then it would be a unnecessary provocation , and even i would have opposed this . But no , they want to parade peacefully in THEIR Capital , they are also fighting for her , contrary to the charidim , some of who even oppose the State of Israel . As many , if not most of the Gay community don't believe in the Torah , they have'nt to obey those laws . So don't try to convince them of this , that's the last straw [ toppunt ] a non Jew telling Jews to believe
44. frightening
robert ,   USA   (01.30.08)
most of the comments here are very frightening. such hate and intolerance. what ever happened to compassion, understanding and love. The hatred of a segment of society and supported and fostered by the state can only end in ruin for the entire people.
45. to Meir Weinstein
moi ,   Brooklyn, NY   (01.30.08)
Have you seen pictures of what happened last year in Jerusalem? What "sex parade" are you talking about? And you know what - visit Israel and see what kids see there on the daily basis on the streets! Then you can talk about "sex parades".
46. maybe
Ypip ,   Canada   (01.30.08)
you should relax on the couch and avoid the market for awhile.
47. #44 ...or not
Josh   (01.31.08)
Returning to Torah will bring peace and prosperity and evil will have to live elsewhere so that we may beat our weapons into plowshares.
48. Gay pride
david jacob ,   Jerusalem   (01.31.08)
People like you should be ashamed of yourselves. This is not any country, but a special jewish one, where we have more important values than a typical western country which is full of their prost culture which is destroying their youth with all of the rubbish and inapropiate material which can be found everywhere. People like you should not be living in Israel but rather on the beaches of Los Angeles where you can practice your sick acts. Us Jews have mush higher values based on the bible which prohibits all the stuff you get up to and seeing that this is a jewish state and not a typical western democracy, i fail to see why you think you have an argument.
49. Hy don't theymarch in east jerusalem also?
b.moskowitz ,   chashmonaim   (01.31.08)
This shows the lie to the whole article and the purpose of the parade. They don't want to offend the muslems but to offend the large amount of jews or the fact that Jerusalem is different in that it represents religion makes no difference to them.
50. Yes, Josh I would like to partisipate in Gay Olympics
Yaakov Sullivan ,   NYC   (01.31.08)
in FREE PALESTINE
51. Joe, I am currently organizing Gay Olympic
Yaakov Sullivan ,   NYC   (01.31.08)
in NY, but may be next time we can hold it in FRE PALESTINE>
52. reply to David Jacob # 44 why we march
SIMON ,   TA Israel   (01.31.08)
David you seem to miss the point, freedom of religion or belief also includes the right not to believe. Yes this is a jewish country but it is someones right to be or not to be religious. So please dont judge and slander other people according to your beliefs, your rules not mine. Sorry to inform you but i am not ashamed of who i am . I am Jewish, i am Israeli and i am gay in a 10 year relationship with 2 children. Unlike the ultra orthadox i work , pay taxes and server in the army as well as volunteering in my community, so yes i have a democratic right. Jerusalem is the democratic capital of Israel not an ultra orthdox stronghole. I think you will find that the majority of gays dress in a regular way, jeans and shirt, i didnt see any one person dressed in skimpy clothes on the parade. We have the march because we are denied our freedome and basic human rights in the year 2008. It is not democratic that one group deny another group their democratic right to march because of a religious belief.
53. simon
gadi ,   idf   (01.31.08)
be gay, stay gay forever. no problem. just don't march, don't parade about it, ok? that's it. see, we made the first movie, we made a compromoise in accepting you as you are, we know u exist and thats ok with us, now you must accept to tollerate us and do your "business" for yourself and not expose it to other (and my children). and cut the crap about "freedom" and "democracy" ok, you have plenty of it in israel, no nid to PRIDE parade around and provoke others! you will see for yourself how people will reject you and go against you if you do make the parade. i dont go and do parades coz im straight, right? learn from the heteros, be wise. good luck
54. not in Jerusalem!!!!
elianna ,   USA   (01.31.08)
55. To Simon from TA
Mordechai ,   Sydney, Australia   (01.31.08)
I think you are missing the whole point. What makes Eretz Yisroel the land of the jews, the fact that we are jews, and this land was given to us on the basis that we keep the mitzvot of hashem. If you are gay(the torah did not forbid one to be gay, it forbade one to act on his impulses, and do gay acts etc) keep it on the inside, in the closet, but coming to the capital of the JEWISH world, all jew turn to there when they pray, is offensive to all jews that Jerusalem means something significant. You attack mne
56. Sorry Gadi # 53 no can do matey
Simon ,   TA which is Israel   (01.31.08)
Thanks Gadi for your comments although please let me explain why we march. First of all Jerusalem is the democratic capital of Israel, no one group can deny antohte group its right to democracy because it dosent accept its idioligy. Trust me no one was dressed in an "imodest manner" its just an exscuse believe me. As a gay man in 2008 we are still denied basic human rights such as leagal partnership, adoption death inheritence hospital visitation rights etc In Iran gay people are executed because of the Shas party here in Israel we feel we are in danger and will protest for our rights. Shall we therefore deny any religious group from holding rallies in TA. its also about freedom and democracy for all not just gays. Who is next to be targeted? Ethiopinas, single mothers ,Arabs. No we will fight untill we have equal rights in the eyes of the law.
57. REPLY # 55 Morechai you are missing the point my friend
sIMON   (01.31.08)
Freedom of religion or belief whidh is afforded to you in Austraila also includes the right not to believe and the right to live your life the way you choose within the law of the country. For those of us that actauly live in israel and not in Australia i am denied my basic human rights. I am not religious or claim to live my life according to the bible . Neither do i accept or recognise the Torah as a law by which i live. Which is my choice, therefore such religious rules do not apply. Israel is a democratic country not a country based oh Halacha - Fact ! A country for all jews from what ever background, country of origin and religious or secular. I unlike the ultra orthadox , work for a living , pay taxes, serve in the army and volunteer in my community, yet i am denied my basic human rights by a group of people who do none of the above. So i dont think you have the right to tell me how to live my life when you do not live in Israel. I can respect the fact that you choose to be religious but that is not something you can impose on other people, judge or slander them by.
58. Gay March?
Brod ,   USA   (01.31.08)
This is an ABOMINATION to the GOD of Israel. It is also detrimental to Israel's national security interests. Being Jews mean being followers of the GOD of Israel- the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob-the GOD of the Holy Bible. Do not turn your backs on your GOD for He is your Source of Existence, Survival, Protection, Strength, and Blessings.
59. Brod # 58 and his religious morals
Simon ,   TA which is Israel   (01.31.08)
Well thats rich coming from you, living in the US and telling us how to live our lives. FYI Israel is a democratic state for all jews not a state based on Halacha. Religious freedom is not only the right to live the religious life you wish but also not to. Why dont you attack women not covering their hair, or do you prefer to vent your hatred towards gay people. One wonders where such hatred comes from? i served in the Army during the last war, and where were you exactly , How did you support Israel, from hate slander on talkbacks. A fine example of your so called religious morals you are an abomination in my eyes and to the Jewish nation. How dare you cristise us living in the US!
60. #12
Ephraim ,   Diaspora   (01.31.08)
The gay gene is a myth! It doesn't exist. That is why it is not found. The behavior is clearly defined in Torah as sin and abomination to G-d. He would not create people with a gene to cause a behavior that is an abomination to Him and would condemn them in the judgment. You have a choice, you just love your sin. Do t'shuvah.
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