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Truth about lethal icon
Frimet Roth
Published: 07.02.08, 09:27
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1. Still Missing 9 minutes
rh ,   Modiin Israel   (02.07.08)
This Good article does not point out that even the footage eventually released by France 2 is missing some 9 minutes of the 27 originally claimed in the first trial. This has been Dreyfus all over again.
2. Ehud Barak is Ehud Bardak
Ilan ,   Ariel   (02.07.08)
Good thing to remember that then PM and DM Ehud Barak really screwed up then. We paid for his arrrogance and unilateral steps in Lebanon with a disaster in the North, and the harm done by "taking credit" for killing al-Dura has yet to be reckoned.
3. Israel Has Killed So Many Children Since
Lev Bronstein ,   Moscow, RU   (02.07.08)
There are so many other instances of the IDF intentionally killing children since that time, that no amount of denial today will make any difference. Israel can no longer hide its criminal actions from the world, technology has taken care of that, so the only question left to answer is what punishment should be imposed upon the people of Israel for their decades of crimes.
4. This is why I dumped Ha'Aretz and now read YNET
Meir Elazar   (02.07.08)
Ha'Aretz is heavily biased and gives prolific anti-Semites like Dutch (Doris Cadigan), Marlene of NY, and a host of others a forum to spew their virulent tirades against Israel. I no longer waste my time with this form of irresponsible journalism that provides a forum for terrorist supporters.
5. The israeli gov't hires dopes and yes men/women
Al   (02.07.08)
as their so called "people". They have their heads so far up their ass that in the west they wouldnt be hired to clean toilets. They have turned the concept of Jewish labour on its head. It aint Jewish and it aint labour. Its corruption and old boys network on steroids. Thus you have what you have. Were the enemies of the State of Israel Germans and not these barbaric ragheads,Israel would be far gone. Israel is facing a gang of rag tag nut jobs with visions of a72 yr old virgin in their heads.Were they facing a western trained army,Israel would be history a long long time ago. Its not that we are so smart,its rather our enemies are so dumb.
6. Believers in myths
Hats   (02.07.08)
That argument about the boy not being killed because he still moved after being shot is just monstrous. If you ask why people don't like Israeli policies there you have the answer: You can't even stare a dead boy in the eye.
7. Israel, Defend yourself!!!
Kev ,   London   (02.07.08)
8. #3, what you fail to mention
Danny   (02.07.08)
is that most of those "children" were attacking the IDF at the time. Weird that, must have slipped your mind.....
10. the world loves to blame the jew
jack bauer   (02.07.08)
why face facts? why show the whole tape? why worry about truth? why doctor pictures? Lies make a much better story for jew haters to consume and repeat as a mantra the liars should be sued for liable
11. wow! what an accurate and factual article
amazed   (02.07.08)
about time Ynet publishes something that has nothing to do with "oppinion" and "observation" but actual facts and NEWS. enjoyed reading this tremendously
12. Kid shot another in 57oo years of murders.
Michael Reising ,   Berkeley, CA., USA   (02.07.08)
I'm not taking time to proofread this....One thing I learned from studying political science as well as the media in general, as well as by the fact that I am a jew, are two imp. truths; one is that truth is created by writers and photojournalists, but most importantly by editors (often those working for the gov't). Second, as a jew, the same worldwide furor over the the innocent Jews in Israel murdered with the same degree of violence to the tenth power has yet to be seen, and hence Jews feel there is little to appologize for. Michael Reising, Berkeley
13. actually it would be easy to determine the facts and who
Jack G ,   richmond, va us   (02.07.08)
shot the boy. The dead child or his father would have bullets in them which would be easily traceable to the exact weapon which fired them. Not only could we determine which side fire the shots, we could determine exactly which weapons were resonsible for the wounds. The father was treated in a hospital. The fact is that at the time the idf desperately did not want to know what happened and promptly tore down the wall behind father and son in the video. Nevertheless, the shooters' calling cards are the bullets. Has no one heard of forensics?
14. Dead children,
jack g ,   richmond, va,us   (02.07.08)
Mostly, the dead Palestinian children were simply in the wrong place, near their homes, at the wrong time. They were innocent bystanders. Just as the majority of Israeli dead children were killed because they happened to be in the wrong place, near their own homes, the majority of Palestinian children were as well. It is just that the IDF is far more efficient in killing and has therefore killed ten times as many children. Combatants on either side do not really attempt to avoid killing the children. And of course, all of the dead children serve as fuel to excellerate the next round of killings.
15. hats and chapeaux
israeli ,   israel   (02.07.08)
I would say that it is just monstrous that the boy didn't just move, rather looked around to check whether is was safe to get up and walk away from the scene. Which he apparently did. False icons for building false myths, for which so many innocent payed with their lives. By the way, the father also claimed to have been shot by Israeli soldiers, and even showed his scars on TV, except the Israeli surgeons who operated on him are willing to testify and produce records to the effect that they in fact had restored the use of his arm, lost several years prior to the "Netzarim incident", when he was attacked with and axe. Aaaachhh, the wonders of Pallywood.
16. re jack
Matthew ,   California   (02.07.08)
I am affraid that you are wrong, sir. It is true that many times in the past Israel has weighed the possibility of killing civilians against the possibility of successfully eliminating terrorists and decided that it was worth the risk; sadly, civilians have often died. However, they do not intentionally kill civilians, and in recent years the number of Palestinian civilians deaths has decreased dramatically. Palestinian militants, on the other hand, intentionally kill civilians, like pregnant mothers with their children, teenagers in a club, and school students. They do not accidentaly kill children while attacking other targets, the children are the targets. When successful they rejoice, celebrate, and pass candy out on the streets of Gaza. Any civilian death is sad, but there is a monumental difference between the two examples. if you cannot see that then you are morally blind.
17. obscenity
English guy ,   London   (02.07.08)
The writer completely misses the point while slinging mud at "Gideon Levy's example. A noted apologist for the Palestinians" Get over it. A child was killed and the unseemly seven year harangue goes on and on and hides all manner of odious racist sentiment. The argument over this poor little boy has gone on far to long and Gideon LEvy is correct in saying "the question of who killed al-Dura is not important." I would go so far as to say that all those heartless individuals who have tried for so long to pin this little boy's death on his own people are simply expressing their own wishful thinking. Moreover, it is too late. The shahid al-Dura has already become an icon and the pathetic attempts to demolish his status are no more than a dirty tricks campaign - the exact mirror image of what so many of your correspondents call "Pallywood" - the untiring pile of lies which goes by the somewhat disgenuous name of "hasbara" - i.e. cheap and dirty propaganda which fools no one except those "hasbara" mouthpieces who parrot tripe because they want to believe it.
18. Russia deals with Muslims
herb glatter ,   pittsburgh, pa, usa   (02.07.08)
do you remember Grozny? even the UN described the aftermath of Russian special forces destruction as the most destroyed city on earth.
19. obscenity
israeli ,   israel   (02.07.08)
The question is not who killed the littel guy. The question is whether he is dead. It is indeed obscene that he has become an icon and that innocent Israelis (and Palestinians) have lost their lives because of this fabricated myth. And yes, you may have your doubts about the "hasbara" (which I personally think is quite ineffective)but such horrific murders as those of Shalhevet Pass, Tali Hatuel and her children, Matan and Noam Ohaion, to name but a few of those shot either by snipers or at close range, have not been cynically turned into icons to be used as vile propaganda for dupes such as English guy. I hope however that the staged funeral of Jenin does qualify as 'cheap and dirty propaganda which fools no one except those "Pallywood" mouthpieces who parrot tripe because they want to believe it', such as some talkbackers from London.
20. #17, finally some honesty from you
Fred   (02.07.08)
As anyone who has read your posts would know, truth means zero to you and facts NEVER get in the way of a good Israel-bashing. Just because Al-Dura almost certainly was killed by his own people is no reason not to blame Israelis for it. You are also right it " hides all manner of odious racist sentiment", allowing scum like you to pretend that your inveterate Israel hatred is not based in pure and simple racism. Again I consider it a compliment that people like you feel Israel is so utterly blameless you have to fabricate outrage. Isn't ironic that you are so angry at people trying to expose this lie whilst attacking those same people as propagandists. Big Brother would be proud!!
21. #13, you'd think so
Fred   (02.07.08)
But the father refused an autopsy - to be fair Islam does demand a quick burial. The reporter refused to allow anyone to view the entire footage - and from recollection has destroyed some of it. Sound like people with nothing hide to you?
22. Truth about lethal icon
sirius ,   brussels, belgium   (02.07.08)
Thanks for this article. The position of the Israeli government on this affair is a total disgrace, and has disastrous consequences for European Jews as well.
23.  killing children
alex ,   arava, Israel   (02.07.08)
Is it fair that a seemingly innocent child gets shot and killed? No, of course not, but lets get things into perspective. Should we not look upon the parents of these children to teach them not to throw stones or participate in other hostile acts? Should they not know that when a situation takes place such as firefights to go inside at the first sign of trouble? What about the reports today that Al- queda are training children to be terrorists. Will there be anger when one of these "innocent" children gets shot??
24. english guy, you have nothing to say about the lynch?
(02.07.08)
right, that's what i thought. as always blame it on the israelis, even if they're innocent... just blame them coz there's no one else to blame.
25. English Guy - The reason it matters
Robby ,   San Jose, USA   (02.07.08)
Palestinians killing Palestinians is back page news. They don't spend their lives swearing revenge. Remember the violence in coup in Gaza, no one cares anymore. Israelis killing Palestinians is FRONT PAGE news. There will be repeated promises of revenge and victimhood. If the Palestinians killed this poor child then the story is over, but if the Israeli's did, well, you've seen the result. So it is important, for both sides.
26. The vituperative 'English guy' should be excused
Jake   (02.07.08)
Why should we expect anything different from "English guy" and his deification of the "Shahid al Dura"? His own Archbishop of Canterbury today said that some Shariah law in Britain would be "unavoidable" and that adopting it would "help social cohesion". http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7233335.stm Coming soon, new Anglican prayers: In nomini Allah et Caliphati Mundii et Rasulis Mahometis Sancti, Amen.
27. Israeli government cant officially retract its admission,
observer   (02.07.08)
but there men who are more royal than the king. That is what really matters!
28. Sorry, I still don't think it matters who killed him
Israeli   (02.07.08)
the point is that either side COULD have killed him in these rediculous battles we play out again and again. Both peoples are guilty of the murder of this child. both peoples need to take some responsibility for the conflict and stop always blaming the other side.
29. The Leftist Court & Government is ineffectual & criminal!
Abraham ,   Go Frimet   (02.07.08)
30. the damage has been done
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