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Rabbis call against forced integration in military service
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 18.02.08, 09:40
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1. Well, we can only hope!
Dudi ,   Israel   (02.18.08)
We can only hope that there will never be a war where the enemy is sending only female troops. I cannot imagine them sniping those girls or even having an infight with them in the trench :-))))
2. What do they fear?
Eric ,   Tel Aviv   (02.18.08)
Are these Rabbis so worried that seeing a woman in a position of power (teacher) or in pants will undermine years of indoctrination by religious schools? This is as crazy as trying to force separate sections on buses or that women walk on different sides of the street. What is this strict Islamic rule that they want enforced in the IDF? Should coursed be delayed until there are enough men to take them or should they discriminate against women from taking them? And what about the fact that some classes are probably only taught by women? Would they pull men from other jobs to be trained as instructors? Their request is unreasonable an should be ignored. This is a problem for such a small percentage of the soldiers that actually server that is is just plain silly.
3. To eric from ta
trumpeldor ,   eurabia   (02.18.08)
They do not feel at ease with scantily clad female instructors Since more and more kipot tsrugot will constitute the mainstay of our combat troops, Barak and Askenazi will be obliged to cope with these "tsniout" rules !
4. More religious blackmail
Simon ,   TA Israel   (02.18.08)
More religious cow droppings as a pathetic exscuse for the Harideem not to serve the country that supports them and pays for their life style. Prehaps they should learn to control their sexual urges and join humanity like the rest of us! Such hypocrits, for example Shas who keep issuing statements to re take Gaza, will they be sending Shas supporters to the army ? yeh right! Abolish the TAL law now, one nation one draft.
5. Wow, Israel is more similar to Iran than I thought!
Men who loves women ,   Jerusalem   (02.18.08)
Yes, women are always to balme just because men cannot control their penises!
6. Hey Simon, If you'd be Jewish
M.M.   (02.18.08)
you'd understand the Rabbis and the Torah way of life.
7. The National Religious have Become Haredi Wannabe's
Carol ,   Tzur Hadassa Israel   (02.18.08)
8. If all religious soldiers will stop joining the army
(02.18.08)
like the chareidim, the government would be forced to have their army run according to Torah. AND BESIDES THAT, the government would not the have the power to use this army to expel Jews from their rightful homes in our Jewish homeland because religious Jews would just not take part.
9. I was in the IDF about 20 years ago
Yoel ,   London   (02.18.08)
and I remember once i saw a woman soldier. I tell you, I've never recovered since. The rabbies are doing well to save others from what I went through. Sure, I am on medications now and they say I am getting better, but that shock I went through 20 years ago when I saw a woman standing not more then a meter away from me will never leave me, never never, I tell you never I'ts ok, I am ok, i'm ok, where is my tablets, tablets please.
10. DON'T! DON'T! DON'T! DON'T!
Talula ,   Israel   (02.18.08)
Just SHUT UP do your sodding army service and stop looking for excuses.
11. the real disgrace
yoni ,   jerusalem   (02.18.08)
The real disgrace is how many people cannot even relate to the idea of modesty anymore. few understand the value of being moral. even fewer actually are sexually moral in practice. How could you force anyone to go against their religious values anyways? shouldnt the leftist liberals be standing up for freedom or is that only for their own freedom and values. everyone has a religion it seems and the seculars religion is the worst!
12. the real modesty
Michael ,   Tel Aviv   (02.18.08)
In my mind, the real and only modesty is watching a female instructor without wanting to jump out of your pants and ... If even humble me can do that it shouldn't be a big deal for the morally superior religious people, right?
13. Side Point
Israeli ,   Jerusalem   (02.18.08)
Does anyone else realize that the heads of the military were against integrating women into the army? Even the U.S. barely does it. Only reason it even happened in Israel was because the Supreme Court forced it upon the army. Why would the Supreme Court decide that it can force something that the military establishment feels is detrimental to protecting the Holy Land? I'll leave that to you to figure out. Furthermore, there's really no need for a draft for women in general. For most of them it's a waste of time, for the few who do important things, they should join voluntarily and be paid well for their service.
14. #3 'Scantily clad' ?
Talula ,   Israel   (02.18.08)
Have you ANY IDEA, any idea AT ALL how utterly moronic you sound? Do you? They are dressed in IDF uniform, they are not dressed to go poll dancing in some sleazy vodka bar. Enough with your lame stupid excuses. Get a life you ignoramus!!!
15. Reply # 6 Well Helo i am Jewish
Simon ,   TA Israel   (02.18.08)
its because i am Jewish (secular jewish) i understand exactly what the issue is, actually for the record i am ex religious. Unfortuently these people have hijacked our religion and turned it in to a religioon of hatred and intollerance as well as a political tool in order to gain power and money. I was serving in Lebanon in the last war , for what exactly to support these peoples life style?
16. IF A WOMAN SOLDIER SAVED YOUR LIFE WOULD YOU
Petra ,   usa   (02.18.08)
1- Be grateful? 2- be ashamed? THANK G-D THESE RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS ALLOW WOMEN TO BIRTH THEIR OWN MALE CHILDREN. IF POSSIBLE, I'D GLADLY GIVE THEM THAT ROLE AS WELL.
17. So, again, there is a problem when haredi gets a bonner.
Jonas ,   SAD   (02.18.08)
18. israel
Morality #5 ,   jerusalem   (02.18.08)
Israel's secular society is really one to envy. The climbing rate of sexual abuse, crime, and substance abuse, in addition to the the crumbling of the family structure and the educational system really make me want to set you as my role model. Take a real good, objective look at your society and then add 1 + 1. Perhaps you will realize that the secular society just MAY NOT be doing things right... Thank you. I'll stay religious. A chareidi citizen and taxpayer
19. Modesty to #2
Modesty ,   Israel   (02.18.08)
You see your side of things. Now try to understand the religious. There are certain segments of religious society that do not believe in co-ed schooling from first grade. That is their way of life. You may not agree with it. That is your prerogative. Just give the religious the opportunity to continue with their way of life without shoving your principles on them. Provide them with all male classes and instructors. Then they'll be happy and you'll be happy. There is not reason why they have to suffer from your ideology. Isn't that what democracy is all about??? Or have I gotten it all wrong?
20. #5 Hit the nail right on the head
Talula ,   Israel   (02.18.08)
The rabbis are terrified that those Haredi soldiers will not be able to control the itch in their pants. Most secular soldiers do however. So, still not an excuse, what else can they possibly come up with now.
21. #6 M.M. WHERE ARE THE LEVITES?
Petra ,   usa   (02.18.08)
THE RABBIS TOOK THEIR PLACE. ACCORDING TO TORAH LAWS, ONLY LEVITES MAY JUDGE. RABBIS ARE TEACHERS, NOT JUDGES. NO WONDER JUDAISM IS IN SUCH A CONFUSED STATE. TOO MUCH POWER FOR THESE 'TEACHERS UNIONS". DO THEY WORK OR JUST MAKE STUPID PROCLAIMATIONS WHILE OTHER ISRAELS DO THE WORK?
22. "our troops"?
Reality Check ,   BaGolan   (02.18.08)
There are no Israeli troops in Eurabia. We here in Israel are more concerned witht he quality of out troops rather than whether they are female, Sephardic or Ashkenazi! It's time the IDF was left alone to determine what is best for the IDF and by inference best for Israel
23. #6-Only the Rabbis and Hardeim are Jewish?
Reality Check ,   BaGolan   (02.18.08)
I don't see that many Haredim and Rabbis serving. It is the secular Israelis that protect the state.
24. Liberals-where are your calls for religious rights?!
uri ,   il   (02.18.08)
or does that end when it comes to Jewish rights to live as Jews?
25. Integration Sounds Like Such A Nice Idea
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (02.18.08)
But, we don't integrate meat and milk, woolen and linen nor grapes and wheat in the field. We make Havdala on Saturday night reminding us that there is a separation and difference between the sacred and the profane, as there is between Israel and the other nations of the world. Integration? Not really a Jewish idea, afterall.
26. #18 - Time for a Haredi reality check
Reality Check ,   BaGolan   (02.18.08)
1. There is a very high rate of child abuse amongst the Haredim..higher per capita than in secular groups 2. Divorce:Forcing a woman to stay with a man because a Haredi Rabbi threatens to take away a woman's children 3. The bulk of the IDF is secular protecting your arse. Why not petition the Knesset to eliminate the Haredi ability to be exempt from service and serve the State. My kid is there risking his life, why shouldn't yours? ARE YOUR KIDS BETTER THAN MINE? 4. The next time a female soldier or police officer sees you in danger, volunteer and tell her you don't want her help because she has pants on not a bhurqar 5. In no place in the Torah is there a spot that says you are better or more in favour with G-d than me or the female "scantily clad" instructor that you owe your life to!
27. #9
avi ,   nyc   (02.18.08)
perhaps that is why you became a yored.
28. #18
avi ,   nyc   (02.18.08)
and don't forget that their greatest contribution to the worlds culture is a transsexual singer.
29. anti-hareidi talkbackers
bubba ,   nj   (02.18.08)
do the anti-hareidi talkbackers realize or care that the article is about the national religious-knitted kipa- community? That group now forms the backbone of the IDF
30. #25 - stick a sock in it.
Talula ,   Israel   (02.18.08)
Why should my son go into Gaza and yours not? because you don't want to 'mix'. You make me SICK! I HATE you and everyone like you. You are a disgrace to your race.
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