Olmert: We didn't discuss Jerusalem; Palestinians: Yes we did
Ali Waked
Published: 19.02.08, 23:38
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1. Why does Roni Sofer trust Israelis Jerusalem not discussed?
Dr. Aaron Lerner ,   Raanana Israel   (02.19.08)
Why should Roni Sofer take at face value the claim of an Israeli source that Jerusalem wasn't discussed? Why didn't he check with the Palestinians for a confirmation?
2. jerusalem
sas ,   israel   (02.19.08)
face reality - there will not be peace until jerusalem is divided and there are 3 flags flown in the air. i as a jew (secular) do not care, let us just live in peace n quiet.
3. Not secular but unpatriot
Sz.Ivan ,   H-Budapest   (02.19.08)
Hugarian proverb: for stupidity, is not remedy!
4. #2
Jerry ,   NYC, USA   (02.19.08)
Face reality - there will not be peace until Israel is gone and there is 1flag flown in the air, the Palestinian flag. You as a jew (secular) do not care, so you should leave, because you will never live in peace n quiet with the Muslims, except as a Dhimmi.
5. On this, I accept Abbas' word more than Olmert's; sadly.
Steve ,   Fla.   (02.19.08)
This is an Ehud Olmert ruse to keep Shas firmly ensconced in Olmert's immoral coalition. Not that it takes much to persuade Shas and Rabbi Yosef, spiritual leader of Shas. Talkback #1 is right. On this subject, Palestinians are more up front and honest than is Mr. Olmert. It is shameful Shas is still in this existentially dangerous and suicidal governing coalition; dedicated to dismembering Israel.
6. Jerusalem..
Edithann ,   USA   (02.20.08)
Why doesn't Olmert just be honest. and tell the truth?....Nothing will ever happen unless Israel decides 'it can't have it all'!....So get used to it... It will be One State..or Israel will never live in peace... The Arabs have already stated the''re willing to accept what's holding up the works? .
7. olmert discussed jerusalem
marcel   (02.20.08)
Yishai, Olmert is a bloody liar as abbas said they discussed Jerusalem. Don't be taken in by olmert's spin. He's not only a coward, but a blood liar and has already sketched out to Abbas that he will give away almost all of East Jerusalme and the temple mount. Good luck.
8. shas and barak must quit the coalition now
before it's too late.
9. #2 and #6, do you both want to see Israel destroyed?
Freejay ,   Israel   (02.20.08)
Im sure you have read the Palastinian Charter, which hasnt been changed at all. It clearly calls for Israels destruction, and you 2 have the exact suicidal appeasing menatity that would make that happen!
10. 2 liars in a room
Reality Check ,   BaGolan   (02.20.08)
A.C.Guard ,   USA   (02.20.08)
Why do I somehow trust the Palistinians more than Olmert on this one ?
USA   (02.20.08)
In todays world... come on. the answer is digitized.
13. blindness
Gary A. Glaser ,   Hutchinson, MN   (02.20.08)
So, what is Shas waiting for? The knock on the door? Isaiah speaks about hearing without perceiving. That sounds like Shas.
14. Analysis of......
Maybe ,   United States   (02.20.08)
The truth is olmert has alraedy agreed to the divide. Even if they haven't said yes. This is because is going to the table as a weak man, his mere silence is is acknowledgment enough. Not saying anything is just like agreeing, he is a terrible leader.
15. Write The SHAS NOW
Ralph Levy ,   USA   (02.20.08)
My blog has all the SHAS email addresses. We need to write them now to quit the Coalition.
16. We didn't discuss Jerusalem
Andras Bereny ,   Kfar Tapuah, Ephraim   (02.20.08)
Whether we discussed Jerusalem or we didn't doesn't make any difference at all. The Torah says: "Be most careful not to make a treaty with the people who live in the land where you are coming, since they can be a fatal trap for you" (Exodus 34:12) We should fight them, not smooze with them. Why Jews always think they have to invent hot water rather then just follow the Law? Isn't that arrogance?
17. Even Shas know that he is talking about Jerusalem with Abbas
zionist forever   (02.20.08)
If Olmert didnt talk to his best friend about how much he would get for selling Jerusalem then my name is Yasser Arafat. both Abbas & Olmert know there is n deal unless Olmert sells Jerusalem and has allready been openly talking through Livni about his plans to give away what he callls arab naighborhoods of the city. A totaly ilogical plan that cant work because you cant have a city where you turn down one street your going to be under palestian law turn the corner your back under israeli law. He also wont get these arabs to give up their Israeli citizenship, to them Israeli citizenship is like gold because it buys them all sorts of rights that the palestian state will never be able to offer them. We can say that you inherit the arabs with your state but the arabs will never accept it, they will go to international courts & the UN who will find Israel guilty and say the arabs cannot loose their citizenship nd even the likes of the US will be backing that decision because to avoid creating another problem. Olmert & Abbas have as good as signed on the dotted line they are just waiting for the invitation to sign on the White House Lawn and be given their joint Nobel Prize.
18. The PA should insist that Jerusalem be on the table!
redmiike ,   TA - LA - London   (02.20.08)
Without Jerusalem on the table the Palestinians are simply wasting their time. They'll sit and talk about stuff for a year and then the talks will collapse because Israel won't ever be able to put Jerusalem on the table. In reality the Olmert government is too weak to talk about anything, so much better to bring it down. If the PA insists on talking about Jerusalem then the talks will collapse either because Olmert has to refuse them or because his coalition collapses. Either scenario would bring about Olmert's demise which would be good for Israel and the Palestinians. Only a strong leader is good for Israel and only a strong leader can hold serious negotiations.
19. Before the days of Muhammad.
Jean Van Daem ,   Metula   (02.20.08)
Before the days of Muhammad, "Christian" conquerors had occupied Jerusalem (within the Byzantine Empire). Bringing one's religion into battle demonstrated that both their armies and their religion were superior to those of their victims when they won. So, they usually built their holy places on top of their victims' holy places, which they did on the Temple Mount, to absorb the strength of their conquered adversaries and to convert them to their religion. Even under the threat of the sword, the Jews refused to convert and allow their lineage to be absorbed, which would in effect, transfer G§d's Covenant. Muhammad died in 632 c.e. Jerusalem was subsequently captured from the Romans by caliph Omar, six years after Muhammad's death as explained in details at :
20. For ones............
linda   (02.20.08)
I believe the Pals (:
21. Olmert lies again .............
Avraham ,   Western Negev   (02.20.08)
and Shas backs him up!
22. if israel had any rites in this fight
ze ani ,   mirkaz , israel   (02.20.08)
they wouldnt be negotiating in the first place .nekoda......... so give it up and give them back whats theirs............
23. Israel Needs To Give Palestinians Olmert, And Nothing Else!
MK ,   Phialdelphia USA   (02.20.08)
24. Abbas isnt a moderate he is just telling the truth
zionist forever   (02.20.08)
Olmert as usual when he says they havnt is lying through his teeth which is something he is very good at. Shas also know the palestians are telling the truth on this one but the so called religious party is willing to sacrifice for money and power. Olmert promises to invest a little bit of money into their yeshivas and anything is for sale no matter what the circumstances.
25. selling Jeruslem will increase the Israel arab population
zionist forever   (02.20.08)
Olmert & his crooked friends who say how good it will be for Israel to divide the city give up arab naighborhoods etc. Whats to be gained . there is no way the arabs will give up their Israeli citizenship if Olmert sells the part of the city they live in to them and Israeli passport is like gold while the passport of any future palestian state will be worth less than toilet paper ). They get alot of benfits from their Israeli citizenship the palestian state will never be able to provide them with. At best they will demand dual citizenship and as jews are permited duel citizenship there is no way that the government can deny them this right. If the government tries to say your no longer Israelis just palestian citizens they will go to the UN & human rights courts Israel will be found guilty and forced to reverse that decision ... its going to be hard enough with the right of return issue now saying that Israeli arabs cant keep Israeli citizenship not even the Americans would accept that. So Israel sells Jerusalem and it keeps the arab population, if anythiing it will increase the population because it will make it easier for Israeli arabs to marry palestians have lots of children and the children will naturaly be granated Israeli citizenship as the pearent is an Israeli citizen. How do you practicly divide a city? You walk down one street your going to be under palestian law but you turn the corner you will be under Israeli law its not practical and as for the holy sites what will Israel keep, Barak was willing to give Arafat all of the old city eccept the jewish quarter and thats the minimum Abbas and his terrorist friends will accept If something isnt done soon the 60th birthday will be the one when Israel formerly declares that its going to be closing down for good and handed over to the arabs.
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