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Rabbi Aviner: Women permitted to kill rapists
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 02.03.08, 23:18
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1. feminism ok?
Ephraim ,   Brooklyn, NY   (03.03.08)
So now all these "women groups" aka feminist centers are ok and kosher? What world does R. Aviner live in?
2. YEAH! RAPISTS AND PEDOPHILES MUST BE KILLED ALL OF THEM
(03.02.08)
3. "Rabbi" asks to kill Jews?
Bracha ,   UK   (03.02.08)
I can not believe that a Rabbi can urge Jews to kill fellow Jews, even if these Jews transgress. I also can not believe that a Rabbi can urge to put 50,000 Jews in jail. If this article is true, that person is just a male-hater. Rabbi's job is to make people closer to Ha Kadosh Baruch Hu, not to preach hate! I would also suggest that Ynetnews does not publish this type of sermons of hate.
4. #3 So you would just lie down and be raped?
Aviva ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (03.03.08)
Women should not use force to defend themselves against rape? Rapists should not be imprisoned? What, we should just hug them? So typical of UK squishiness.
5. Re to # 3: The real world!
Avrom ,   Philadelphia, USA   (03.03.08)
He lives in the real world, recognizing that women have the same rights as men. Unlike many haredi, who live in a parallel universe, blind to the progress of the rest of the Western world. See the article "Ultra-Orthodox press digitally erases women from images," for a typical example of the self-imposed blindness they engage in. Of course tradition is beautiful, but the haredi should be strong enough to open their eyes to the world, and not be afraid that it will destroy their faith. Is their morality really so weak that the mere sight of a photo of a woman politician will send them off-course? Welcome to the 21st century!
6. Bracha, so women should give in to being raped???
Chaya ,   Bat Yam, Israel   (03.03.08)
In some cases the rape leads to being murdered!!!
7. #1 "What world does R. Aviner live in?" The Torah world
M.M.   (03.03.08)
if you like it or not.
8. All well & good, but let's kill Arab terrorists first.
So what ,   USA   (03.03.08)
No problem with the Rabbi. If only the Rabbanut would direct their martial directives against the Amalekite-imitating civillian-killers who sprout amidst the Gazan garbage.
9. Only a small disagreement with the Rabbi:
Yossi ,   Levittown, PA, US   (03.03.08)
Don't put the offenders in jail where they will get all the sex they could (not) want. The only "cure" for rapists and pedophiles is surgical castration (bilateral orchiectomy). The rabbi's advice is perfectly sound and consistent with that given by authorities to women in all developed societies.
10. Rabbi Aviner
Keats ,   Syracuse, NY   (03.03.08)
Bless you Rabbi! I am not jewish but would that the Christian leaders in America would speak out like this! You are a man of G-d!!
11. Ynet splashing headlines?
Yisraeli   (03.03.08)
I dont know what your agenda is with such a headline and even writing an article on it, unless of course its simply there to try and make religeous jews look bad. But its common knowledge even in English law a weapon may be used to shoot a rapist even if your not the victim, how much more so if you are the intended victim. So what makes this headlines? Coz a rabbi said it publicly? what if a judge quoting law in the high court said the same would it make front page news?
12. what??
A Watcher ,   Canada   (03.03.08)
I'm not a jews but I think something is wrong here...I'm against Rapist and I believe forcing pleasure on someone else shouldn't be faced by killing... human rights has some work to be done here...I hate it when religion go too far
13. killing a rapist
azi g ,   usa   (03.03.08)
he doesnt say rapists should killed after the fact but in an act of self defence. so dont make the whole "ya lets kill everyone" thats not what he said.
14. Brach, you have to kill the woolf to save the sheep
(03.03.08)
15. The Rabbi is wrong.
Meir Weinstein ,   Toronto, Canada   (03.03.08)
A victim does have the right to fend off an attacker and the right to use 'neccessary force' to see to it that the criminal is subdued. This is different from calling for victims to just kill the attacker. This can lead to anarchy which is not good. I am not saying the women in this case should be gentle at all.
16. No evidence that 25% of religious women have been assaulted
SL ,   New York   (03.03.08)
There is no credible evidence that 25% of religious women have been assaulted. The study by Rachel Yehuda was skewed, and dealt with women, half of whom were in therapy, and many of whom were returnees to Judaism. In any event, it is clear that anyone under threat of rape has the ethical right to defend him/herself including if need be with self-defense leading to the death of the assailant.
17. Misleading article..
Ilan ,   Ariel   (03.03.08)
All that was said was that the Halacha sees an attempt to rape as severe as an attempt to murder. Just as one is permitted (perhaps required) to use all means to prevent being murdered including acts that would lead to the death of the attacker, so as in rape. Is that sensational?
18. #4: The western fall
Ephraim ,   NYC/Kfar Tapuah   (03.03.08)
Long before the west (edom) rose to power and became the dominant group in this world, the egyptians, and the syrian greeks, and the romans were the top guys. They all brought progress with them, technological advances, "spiritual" and philosophical advances etc. In the end they all fell, and the backwater reactionary Jews lived on. Same with the West, they bring their awesome technology, and their skewed morals thinking it's an advance, but it's really a retardation and they will also fall.
19. #12 "Forcing Pleasure"?
Esther ,   Ofarim, Israel   (03.03.08)
You are seriously disturbed. The Rabbi is talking about harrasment, molestation and rape. This doesn't give a woman pleasure. This is a crime. The only one who has pleasure is the criminal who is forcing his unwanted attention on a woman. I repeat, you are sick. Get some help!
20. # 15 & Others who claim the Rabbi is wrong.
M.M.   (03.03.08)
Instead of criticizing scholarly Rabbis, it's time you start learning and you'll soon find out how little you know.
21. So Katsav had better be carefull then
Simon ,   TA Israel   (03.03.08)
Yet that rapist not only walks free but he is living a life of luxury at the tax payers exspense!
22. Rabbis issuing orders to kill?
Simon ,   TA Israel   (03.03.08)
While im sure any decent human being understands the serious crime of rape (Apart from Katsav) it is rather a scary thought when rabbis start issuing orders to kill people , claiming to speak in the name of God. Unfortuently there are alot of vulnerable people out there that follow everyword these people speak. Will they start murdering gay people when we have the likes of Shas inciting violence and issuing hate statements towards gay people?
23. Rape
zznhl   (03.03.08)
When a Woman is raped, in ALL cultures, her life is destroyed, she becomes an untouchable. In religious societies, she can not now marry as she is not a virgin. A child born by such violence is a poriah. In short her life and the life of her familly is destroyed.(in Biblical times the women might even have been stoned to death, in the Muslim world, she can, even today and recently has been,be punished for not fighting till her own death) For what? a movement of animal pleasure? A statement of power? For this a man must know he has NO rights in law, Civil or religious, and consequently a women must know that she is permitted to fight until her attackers death to stop this crime. Revenge on the attacker, after the crime is the ball park of the legal system and not the victim, but at the time of the crime, the women is innoscent. No is No is No in any language.
24. Rapists
Marilyn ,   USA   (03.03.08)
The probability of a women seriously injuring or killing a rapist is very slim. Now, if the Rabbi had told women to go out and buy guns, it might be more of an issue.
25. To # 12 A watcher
charles ,   petach tikva   (03.03.08)
You talk about Human rights . Does this include the right to rape ? The woman's Human Rights are to NOT BE RAPED , and they precede the right of the rapist's life Well in eliminating a rapist the woman acts in Self defense , a world wide recognised right . And it was good for this Rabbi to remind us this right .
26. Simon , are you stupid ?
charles ,   petach tikva   (03.03.08)
Orders to Kill ? can't you read , or worse , don't you want to understand ? He said that a woman has to defend herself against a rapist , even killing him . Is your hate towards the Rabbanim so that you are distorting writings ? By acting so , you undermine the credibility of your person , and that's very stupid
27. cHARLES # 26 No but it seems you are
Simon ,   TA Israel   (03.03.08)
Do you really think women should kill their attackers. The Rabbi has no place telling people how to act his words are dangerous as long as there are people like you charles dear out there. Besides Israel is a democratic state based on law not halacha beliefs from the bible. It seems your religious beliefs have blinded your sense of reason, wake up buddy its 2008 not 1008
28. For a wife/someone's mother to be raped, is as bad as death.
Anon ,   Israel, P''T   (03.03.08)
29. #26 Simon, like many others...
M.M.   (03.03.08)
would say anything to criticize the words of a Rabbi even if it doesn't make sense. He hates Orthodox Rabbis and chareidim in general, like many others do.
30. EVEN MORE!
David ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (03.03.08)
The person that is the possible victim of rape, should scream out, and when the rapist is caught he shouldn't be put in jail, rather executed!!
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