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Breach of trust: Where are Israeli Arabs headed?
Sharon Roffe-Ofir
Published: 11.03.08, 16:55
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1. Re; Oxymoron; Israeli - arab
jason asman ,   boston U.S.A.   (03.11.08)
Open your eyes and take you heads out of the sand -- Israel must remove all arabs from within it's borders. The Trojan horse living among will evetually cut your throat. Israel's existance is at stake - make the move now before it is too late.
2. Arabs
Not Jewish ,   USA   (03.11.08)
An Arab is an Arab is an Arab whether he lives in Israel or an Arab nation. Dr. Khaled Abu-Asba blames Israel's rightists with the incitement. Dr. Khaled Abu-Asba is an Arab, of course he blames the Jews.
3. Co-existence?
Debra ,   UK   (03.11.08)
Jews are the minority who shall dwell alone. Co-existence undermines Judaism.
4. This article is pathetic.
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (03.11.08)
What a bunch of lame arguments, false assumptions, & politically correct BS. Prime among the false arguments is that somehow, this is about discrimination as a cause of radicalism. This is total hogwash. Firstly, radicalism, violence, & anti-Semitism did not start in 1948. They were present in one form or another since the Arab conquest. In more recent times, there was no shortage of radicalism & violence in the 1920's & 1930's. What about the hostility before 1967, in other words, before "occupation". This is no new phenomenon. The Israeli Arabs, by & large, chose not to integrate into Israeli society. They "created" discrimination by their own behavior & attitudes. The whole liberal argument that discrimination is what causes hostility is backwards, confusing cause & effect. And all the liberal rhetoric about civil rights is a smoke-screen used as a weapon with the ultimate aim of eliminating us as a Jewish state. Today, the conflict is intensifying for a number of reasons. One is the feeling that our society is weak & that they can win. Then, there is the religious factor - something that is not limited to our conflict but is a world-wide phenomenon. There is also the political influence of Iran which has been added to the mix. The Arabs have always had leaders who led them to disaster & now is no different.
5. DEBRA!! YOU NEED HELP!!
Jewish CANADIAN ,   Toronto   (03.11.08)
See a doctor,Quickly!
6. Now who coulda fingered this one out??
Gideon Reader   (03.11.08)
Well gimmie an F.N. break Sparky? It takes a "scholar" to figure out that "tensions are rising" between Jews and their "peace partners", the noble sons of the burning sands? Don't tell me, let me guess. This "idiot without use" has a day job as "Super Hero Captaiiiiiiiiin Obvious". I'm glad his mother and father sent him to school so he could come up with a theory that two separate peoples at war, residing on the same chunk of dirt can have "rising tensions". Geeeeze Louise. Get an honest job. Like writing speeches for Olmert the Failed 3.0. No. Wait. Stay just as you are. I need something to lift my spirits every once in a while, and your dumb theories are just the thing.
7. Dr. Shiftan
Rose Richter ,   Petach TIkva, Israel   (03.11.08)
Dr. Shiftan is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! The Islam religion is the only world religion that states just to KILL.
8. The Arabs living in Israel.
Jean Van Daem   (03.11.08)
Since its establishment Israel has hidden its head in the sand, refusing to face the fact that a mighty enemy has been growing within it, threatening its very existence. The Arabs of Israel see themselves as part of the Arab world and more particularly as “Arabs in occupied Palestine.” They enjoy every benefit that a democratic state has to offer, but they, together with Israel’s enemies, share the hope that this Jewish state, in which they have achieved conditions no other Arabs in the Middle East enjoy, will cease to exist. When Saddam Husayn attacked Israel with missiles in 1991, many Arabs in Israel supported the Iraqi dictator and openly demonstrated their sympathy for him. “We, the Arabs in this country,” – said Tibi – “wish to see a strong Arab force… able to confront the axis of the USA and Israel.” And these are among the mildest pronouncements of these Arab members of the Israeli parliament who enjoy all the rights and privileges that the Jewish Democracy can offer as explained at : http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2007/12/enemy-within.html
9. another breach of trust
Richard ,   London UK   (03.11.08)
The "Churchill Memorandum" reaffirmed the "national home" policy, and Palestinian resentment again broke out into violence in August 1929, sparked by a dispute over the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem. The clashes between Palestinians and Jews left 220 dead and 520 injured on both sides, and British reinforcements, including aircraft, naval vessels and armoured cars, had to be called in from outside Palestine before the situation was brought under control. A special Commission, headed by Sir Walter Shaw, a retired Chief Justice of the Straits Settlements, investigated this outbreak. The Shaw Commission observed: "In less than 10 years three serious attacks have been made by Arabs on Jews. For 80 years before the first of these attacks there is no recorded instance of any similar incidents. It is obvious then that the relations between the two races during the past decade must have differed in some material respect from those which previously obtained. Of this we found ample evidence. The reports of the Military Court and of the local Commission which, in 1920 and in 1921 respectively, enquired into the disturbances of those years, drew attention to the change in the attitude of the Arab population towards the Jews in Palestine. This was borne out by the evidence tendered during our inquiry when representatives of all parties told us that before the War the Jews and Arabs lived side by side if not in amity, at least with tolerance, a quality which to-day is almost unknown in Palestine". The Commission's findings on the causes of the violence: "... If there was in Palestine in August last a widespread feeling of resentment amongst the Arabs at the failure of His Majesty's Government to grant them some measure of self-government, it is at least probable that this resentment would show itself against the Jews, whose presence in Palestine would be regarded by the Arabs as the obstacle to the fulfilment of their aspirations". "That such a feeling existed among the leaders of the Arabs and the official and educated classes there can be no question ... "... The Arab people of Palestine are today united in their demand for representative government. This unity of purpose may weaken but it is liable to be revived in full force by any large issues which involve racial interests. It is our belief that a feeling of resentment among the Arab people of Palestine consequent upon their disappointment at the continued failure to obtain any measure of self-government ... was a contributory cause to the recent outbreak and is a factor which cannot be ignored in the consideration of the steps to be taken to avoid such outbreaks in the future". The Shaw Commission's report was a major factor in the issue of the Passfield White Paper towards redressing these grievances, but it proved abortive.
10. the state needs to support the silent israeli-Arab Majority
Rami ,   Nazareth, Israel   (03.11.08)
Radicals might be in control of the stage in the Israeli-Arab street only becuase the government is not doing anything to support the moderate silent majority. The main issue to Israeli-Arabs is not the war or the occupation of the west bank/Gaza, it is the institutionalized discrimination that has been going on since 1948 even when there were no arab parties and Israeli-Arab overwhelmingly voted for zionist parties. All this can change once the state takes solid steps to eliminate discrimination and bring israeli-arabs into the collective israeli society, instead of being marginalized and pushed aside.
11. the only logical conclusion is that of Mk Hasson ...
ezra   (03.11.08)
...Prepare for war with Israel’s Arabs !
12. to jewish CANADIAN
canadian JEW   (03.11.08)
Dude, you cannot understand because you are not a JEW but only a CANADIAN with some remote jewish roots.
13. the word palestinian is offensive to jews
bezalel ,   tel aviv   (03.11.08)
any self-respecting, educated Jew should be offended by the word paleisine or palestinian-these words found their origin firstly after the destruction of the 2nd temple and genocide of millions of jews by the romans in 70 CE; then in 1964 CE on the formation of the PLO, a terror organisation started solely with the aim of destroying Jewish Israel. Totally offensive words..never use them..complain to all media and educational institutes who use them.
14. Abu-Asba confuses cause and effect
Raymond from DC ,   Washington, DC USA   (03.11.08)
The "onslaught of abuse" Abu-Asba describes is not the cause, driving increasing radicalization among Israel's Arab community. Rather it is the response to said radicalization, its effect. The Arab leadership argues against even non-military national service, while insisting on only its rights. They demand recognition as an autonomous national group. Many of their numbers make common cause with the enemies of the state, honor those who murder their fellow citizens, and make no secret of their desire to witness the dissolution of the state. Those who act like a fifth column, will be treated like a fifth column.
15. Rami from Nazareth, I agree with you...
me ,   here   (03.11.08)
but you cannot expect to get all rights as long as you don't contribute with some duties too............... Soo good to hear a truly moderate arab as opposed to the extremist kreep we had to put up with here all the day... Good that there are people like you out there! I'd be happy to be Your neighbour!!!
16. DRIVE THEM OUT!!! READ THE TORAH...
Chaim ,   ISRAEL   (03.11.08)
But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you, then shall those that ye let remain of them be as thorns in your eyes, and as pricks in your sides, and they shall harass you in the land wherein ye dwell.
17. RAMI , i agree with you 100%
dafer ,   jerusalem   (03.11.08)
18. tiny minority defense
kuroneko   (03.11.08)
"The rock-throwing incidents in northern Israel were sporadic, random occurrences," Abu-Asba said. "It is a shame that they made the headlines.” Ah, the typical "it's a tiny minority" excuse. If the majority of Arabs hadn't agreed with the rock throwing majority, they could've prevented it and that would've been a much bigger and more interesting headline, wouldn't it? Also, when the loyalty of the Arabs are questioned, it's their burden to prove their loyalty. Whatever the rightists say, Arabs aren't deported and they'll lose their excuse if the Arabs are proven to be loyal. Whatever the Arabs say, the fact remains that they don't fight for Israel against the "tiny minority". These are the reality. One last thing for Abu-Asba: Loyalty doesn't mean paying taxes. It means when it all counts, you stand for the country against her enemies. Not standing aside silently while other Arabs do the dirty work.
19. Good! We don't need coexistence, we need complete isolation
Antonio ,   Haifa   (03.11.08)
20. "Israeli arab"is a fiction.
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (03.11.08)
Israeli means the people of Israel-JEWS! And believe in dialogue among islamists and jews is a patological sickness.Forget about it! Take out the right of voting from non Jews.This is the only way to prevent them to strenghten.
21. Rami, # 10
Jake   (03.11.08)
Yes, Israeli Arabs / Arab Israelis deserve fully equal rights - and responsibilities - with the Israeli Jews. But "Palestinians in Israel" or "48 Palestinians", as Ahmed Tibi, Mohammed Barakeh, and Azmi Bishara call themselves, do not deserve equal rights in a nation they believe should be destroyed. You claim these MK's do not represent their Arab constituencies. Very well. Let their Arab constituencies vote them out of office, and vote for new Arab MK's that declare that Israel is the only nation to which they have allegiance.
22. they know who'll win
Israel Israeli ,   Tel Aviv   (03.11.08)
Two more likely reasons for Israeli Arab radicalism: As a result of the Oslo agreement, Israel is increasingly hated and less supported everywhere in the world. Why would Israeli Arabs be any different than English, French or Americans? Second, since Oslo, the chances for Israel's continued existence go down. Why should Israeli Arabs support Israel when in 5 or 10 years it will be destroyed?
23. to "kuroneko": The Shafaram junction at which stones were
me ,   here   (03.11.08)
thrown at cars the other day, is a place where children from the West Bank usually and openly stand begging, walking between the cars when the drivers stop at the traffic lights. I may be wrong, but I personally find it much more likely that some of those West Bank beggar kids did the stone-throwing than any of the local residents. The youth here is in the middle of their test/exam/bagrut period and most youth would neither leave their studies nor, for the matter, care to throw stones. There are enough many cases of Israeli Arabs who do behave disgracefully, but, again, the majority does not. As for loyalty - in any democratic country there is always a division of opinions, but as long as people are law obiding they do have the rights to have their opinions... Even all Jews do not have the same opinion always, now, do they?! Yours, respectfully,
24. Palestinian Israelis
sam ,   Palestine   (03.12.08)
we are palestinian like it or not, it is our culture and this country belonged to us long before you brough your russian and ethiopian garbage here... we wont serve in your disgraceful war cause you are killing and raping our brothers in the west bank and gaza.. want us to be loyal then either make is equal or leave.
25. #23
kuroneko   (03.12.08)
There is a difference between having different opinions and supporting the enemy. For example, there are many Americans who are vehemently against the Iraq invasion. That is fine. In fact, having a spectrum of opinions on the issue is good because one gets to examine different arguments. It's a different matter, however, if an American channels money to Iraq to support suicide bombings against American troops. That crosses the line from having a different opinion to being a traitor. Now, how many of the of the majority of Arabs who don't behave disgracefully in your example do something to stop the stone throwing kids? Even if they don't patrol the junction, do they teach their kids NOT to throw stones? Do they talk to the terrorist's family and voice their displeasure? Do they demonstrate in solidarity to their Jewish neighbours against Palestinian rockets?
26. dear #24, sam.
mayadabee   (03.12.08)
well, you seem nice, thanks for giving us the option....equality to you who thinks we are garbage...or leave? hmmmmmmmmm i choose....STUPID!
27. Add your choice of locales here:
Gideon Reader   (03.12.08)
The author poses a very interesting question. Allow me to pose a very interesting answer(s). Jordan. Egypt. Poland. Tierra del Fuego. Albania.Umglickastan.Choleraville.Central African Republic. Schmuskstuck's Island, just to name a few lovely spots thatr may suit.
28. #27 - Wherever Shall They Go?
Uri de Young ,   Elon Moreh, Samaria   (03.12.08)
Tristan da Cunha is nice. It only has a population of 269 and even has a place called Jews Point that they could "liberate." Birobidzhan is also attractive. It has lots of arable land & industry, too. Birobidzhan has the added advantage of allowing the Arabs to realize their dream of taking over a "Jewish Homeland."
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