Peres to Lavrov: We don't believe Syria
Roni Sofer
Published: 20.03.08, 21:39
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1. Comrade Lavrov - stick to your problems with Chechnya
Arthur ,   SF, CA   (03.20.08)
2. golan
colin   (03.20.08)
RUSSIA now wants to give away what Bush forgot THE GOLAN. Somebody must notify russia that Syria has no oil,no gas only terrorism.Has Russia no terretorial problems of thier own.They want to interfere with Israel.The golan is part of Israel
3. Tell Russia that you'll think about
Joe ,   Ohio, USA   (03.20.08)
returning the Golan after they return the Kuril Islands to Japan.
4. golan
alan ,   texas   (03.20.08)
If Olmert had a backbone, he would tell them: syria attacked israel and lost. Golan is Israel. That's it. If anyone wants to give away territory, let it be their territory, not territory that belongs to tiny Israel. Strength is the only way to respect. Negotiation with these primitive Arabs signals weakness, which begets terrorism.
5. Foreign powers slicing up the land - Israel plays along
Raymond from DC ,   Washington, DC USA   (03.20.08)
The nations, acting in consort, are debating how best to slice off another piece of the land of Israel and hand it to her enemies. And what does the Israeli government do? It plays along, pleading for understanding and begging approval, but ready in the end to concede. Israel's national anthem speaks of being "a free people in our land". It's time they started acting like one. For a change, tell them no. The Golan is sovereign Israeli territory. That should be Israel's bottom line in any negotiation.
6. What a nice invitation - they're
letting their dogs bit our legs while we're dining at the diplomatic table.
7. Yes, kassams on Tverya, please!
Od Smollani Tipesh   (03.20.08)
8. Obvious Iranian pressure on Russia
Freejay3 ,   Israel   (03.20.08)
Look at how big Syria is compared to Israel. You think they really need the Golan? Only to be able to attack us from high ground! The Golan has been jewish land since biblical times and no one has a right to tell us what to do with our own land! Why dont you give chechnya st petersburg too?
9. Keep your filthy hands off Golan
Y ,   N   (03.20.08)
Its israeli land forever!!
10. "Global Solution"
Reality Check ,   BaGolan   (03.20.08)
Sounds more like "Final Solution." Same gameplan
11. Russia must give Konigsberg back to Germany
Alex ,   UK   (03.20.08)
..and Kuril and Sahalin back to Japan, ..only then to mention Golan problem.
12. #5 Raymond - Israeli Land Exists only Behind pre-1967 Border
Johan Odin ,   Oslow, Norway   (03.20.08)
Israel does not exist beyond its pre-1967 borders according to the UN and countries of the world, so one cannot lose what is not their, so clearly returning the occupied lands to Syria, Lebanon and Palestine is not slicing up Israeli land. Israelis need to learn to live within their recognized border and must abandon the failed Zionist inspired territorial goals that fly in the face of International law and the UN Charter which Israeli signed and thus is bound to abide by clearly states that the acquisition of land by war is inadmissible. So, as your own Secretary of State Condi Rice said so well, Israel's future lies in the Negev, so that is where Israeli settlers can go and live, but their days squatting on the stolen land of others is soon to be over.
13. why israel must never give the Goan for any treaty
zionist forever   (03.20.08)
STRATEGIC HIGH GROUND Even in the days of radar missles and all kinds of modern toys you still cant beat high ground not only for detection purposes but should Syria start a war in future Israeli forces have to fight a battle up hill battle. Even if we say dematerialised zones it doesnt mean Syria would not be capable of a surprise attack while Israeli forces would be abiding by the rules and the Golan would be dematerialised as far as Israel is concerned. We were caught off gaurd in 1973 just because it hasnt happened doesnt mean it cant happen again. ECONOMICS Israel earns millions of dollars every year from the Golan thats gone with the Golan. It cost $1 billion to remove 8000 jews from Gaza x that by at least 3 and that is just the begining. You need to find jobs for tens of thousands of jews and those jobs simply dont exist so they will be claiming unemployment untill they can get new jobs. Alot the Gaza jews still 2 and half years later dont have homes and are living in hotels or tempory acomodation your going to have alot more that that if you give up the Golan There are many more expenses involved in giving up the Golan and even with American financial help taxpayers will be paying the price for the next decade. DEMOGRAPHICS Unlike in Gaza in the Golan the jews make up the majority of the population followed by druze and the number of arabs is small. Also unlike any other disputed territory the jews mostly live in peace with their native druze naighbors they dont need 24 hour millitary protection. If they live peacefully with their naighbors why the rush to give it up for a treaty we dont even need. WATER Giving up the Golan gives Syria access to the Kineret and the water that flows frome the Golan will not end up in Israel. So we put our water supplies in danger from not only the Syrian state but from terrorism. NEED FOR PEACE TREATY WITH SYRIA We dont need one for the past 30 years Israel with its superior millitary capablities, the Syrian knowladge of Israels neuclear deterent and the settlers themselves have kept the peace thats why Assad resorted to terror because he knew he couldnt win trhough war. Hizbollah are a problem but not on the scale of the palestian threat, take away Syria Hizbollah will bstill exist & report back to Iran. You dont give up the Golan because of terror. With the palestians they want a state Syria just wants abit of territory it doesnt even need. The way to deal with Syrian terror is to hurt Syria make Assad understand we dont give you the Golan because your supporting terror attacks against us. Do that and Israel wll face even more terror because others will see that in the end if we use terror Israel will surender to our demands it wont try put us down. Assad also hardly has a repuatation of being the peace maker of the region .. he was chased out of Lebanon but now he wants back in and is intefearing in Lebanes politics through Hizbollah and killing anti Syrian politicians like Rafik Hariri. Is this the man we should be handing the Golan to because he is going to give Olmert a signature to hang on his office wall.? The Golan was originaly supposed to be part of the jewish homeland when the Legue of Nations gave the British a mandate but they illigaly gave it to France who had the mandate to create the modern Kingdom of Syria so they traded it illigaly. Before 1967 this was an overgrown Syrian minefield Today its a paradise where thousands of jews and druze live peacefully making money. Why give it up because Assad wanrts it this is jewish territory which provides Israel with alot of benefits.
14. #12 - The home of Oslo-we expect no less
Reality Check ,   BaGolan   (03.20.08)
Oslo was the opening shot of dissecting and eliminating the State. One common international rule: if you start a war and lose, you face the consequences. The arabs repeatedly start wars, lose, and expect Israel just to forgive and gi back to square zero. THOSE DAYS ENDED WITH THE DEMISE OF THE NAZIS.
15. soviet union attitudes all over again
zionist forever   (03.20.08)
Refused to recognise the decision of Kosovo to break away from Serbia but they are more than happy to tell Israel what to do with its territory. The Russians are intefearing in the Middle East again just like they did under the Soviet Union and they were allways on the side of the arabs. We need some REAL leadership in Israel who will say the Golan belongs to Israel. The US we needs a president like Clinton or Obama who are going to put the preasure on Israel to hand over the Golan to Assad on a plate so they can say Bush made war in the region first thing we do is make peace. Also a chance to tell the arabs look we dont allwys take israels side so please dont hate us.
16. to Johan Odin, that would be true if it were not
jared ,   orlando   (03.20.08)
for 60 years of history. Indeed, the arabs need to learn that there are consequences for wars of their own, not israel's making in 48, 56, 67, and 73. They do not get to foster war , which is precisely what they did, lose those wars, and not accept the consequences. In fact, for any and all civilizations throughout history including your own, expansion has been achieved through conquest and not necessarily as a response to invasion (as is the case with israel). Such circumstances justify borders beyond the 47 partition plan (which only the arabs turned down and soon after invaded).
AND ISRAEL IS GIVING ,   AMAZING.......DACON9   (03.20.08)
18. #12 - Look at maps from 1910's - you
Arthur ,   SF, CA   (03.20.08)
won't find Lebanon, Syria and mythical Palestine there either... And to continue our trip to the past - when your "forefathers' were covering themselves with animal skins - we, the JEWS, lived in our land, bound by the rule of law... Learn history...
19. lavrov
gavriel eskel ,   maoz zion   (03.20.08)
to no 3: return karelia + petsamo to finland too
Jorge ,   tegucigalpa   (03.20.08)
Sells nuclear reactors to rogue states, weapons to Syria and Lavrov cinically says that he does not know that they land in Hizbullahs hands, votes against the legitimate defensive actions of Israel against Arab agression.Russia has always been an enemy, treat it as such. Israel should help Chechen rebels, (not knowingly, just as Russia helps Hammas and Hezbollah)
21. #14 Reality Check needs a Reality Check
Johan Odin ,   Oslo, Norway   (03.20.08)
Israel initiated the conflict with Syria as Moshe Dyan outlined when after the 1967 war he said in effect: It went this way: We would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn't possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn't shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance farther, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that's how it was. So clearly Israel was not some innocent peaceful country who was attacked by evil Syria for no reason, but instead Israel was intentionally inciting a war against Syria so it could use war to justify its Zionist territorial ambitions. In addition, Israel signed the UN Charter which clearly states that the acquisition of land by war is inadmissible, meaning that Israel’s acquisition of land via incitement of war against Syria cannot be allowed and the occupied land is thus not part of Israel and must be returned.
22. At least the Russians have a sense of humour
Avinoam ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (03.20.08)
Yes, while russians circulate the blood libel we're supposed to trust them to be unbiased?,7340,L-3521307,00.html "Lavrov responded by claiming that Russia is unaware of any weapons being transferred from Syria to Hizbullah." Let me rephrase that, he is unaware of the Russian weapons that are being transferred to terrorists.
23. Missing an opportunity...
Raoul ,   Israel   (03.20.08)
Lavrov says the Arabs should not miss the opportunity etc........ Sound familiar? You know, about the Pals never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
24. The Terrorist State of Syria.
Jean Van Daem   (03.20.08)
Israel cannot be reconciled with the Mafia regime of Assad. Syria will wait till the moment that it sees chances of defeating Israel. Syria cannot efford good relations with Israel. The Assad family has established a hereditary dynasty shored up by repression within, and confrontation and terror abroad. The rule of the Assads is not aimed at improving the lot of their people or forwarding a particular ideology. They changed ideology from secular Arabism to a seemingly impossible confection of pan-Arabism and Islamist extremism because it was expedient to do so. Hafez Assad came to power following a dizzying succession of coups that had made Syria the most unstable regime in the Middle East. The Assads are seated atop a bucking bronco. They are members of the Allawi religious minority who are usually not even considered to be Muslims. They rule a country of disparate minorities with a potential for chaos almost as great as that of Iraq. The radical Muslim Brotherhood is always there, threatening to take over the country by fair means or foul, and the usual Ba'th party rivalries that have plagued all such regimes are also a threat to Assad family rule. Their rule is not about improving living standards for Syria. Syrian living standards have fallen behind the none-too-glamorous ones of Jordan or Egypt. It is not about democracy, a Western luxury Syria can't afford, according to Bashar Assad. The Assad regime is about stability, and it is about money and power for the Assad family. The regime is comparable in every way to the fictional Corleone Mafia family. Prosperity and peace would ruin the Assad regime. Therefore, Western assumptions that Syrian leadership must want peace and prosperity are mistaken, and it is pointless to "engage" Syria in dialogue except insofar as it is possible to confront them with their violations and insist that they mend their ways as explained at :
25. What Russia & Syria Have In Common
Bill Foonman ,   Jacksonville, USA   (03.20.08)
They are both completely untrustworthy. End of story.
Scott   (03.20.08)
Wikipedia will do. If anyone can read through the events and still point to Israel as the "aggressor" - you're delusional.
27. The Golan
Gadees ,   Vanco.   (03.20.08)
Guess who's talking,Peres the theif who steals Arab land and audaciously declares his mistrust of Syrian peace overtures.Strange world..
28. Why Israel Must give the Golan Back
Gadees ,   Vanco.   (03.20.08)
Lets negotiate your points logically;First the Golan is not yours to keep. Second,Economically,you will be compensated generously by the US as usual and the US will see to it that you don't lose a dime.Thirdly,my guess is that Syria will never allow you to die of thirst,see what they are doing to Jordan,diverting their water resourses to save Jordanians from thirst.Fourthly,being an occupier of a land which is not yours,any offer by the Syrians represent a generous gesture which should not be missed.Finally,time is not running in your favour,so, might as well take the offer now before tragically loosing it.Peace upon you.
29. Golan is Israel's
Michael ,   Canada   (03.20.08)
Read the bible...its what G-d gave to them... its clearly proven by the fact that Jacob's descendants took it over...and they came back after 2000 years just like the bible said they would... the Golan doesnt belong to the Jordanians... Jordan only exists because the U.N. told the Jews that theyd give them 'palestine' and then gave them less than 20% of it...Jordan doesnt need any more territory just as previosuly mentioned on here... they want a launching pad for future terrorism and war... is that what the Koran or the Hadith teaches?... that the rocks and the trees will call out to them telling them there are Jews and Chrisitans are there...they just want to kill them.... i pray the anti-Israeli countires repent while they can so they can live... read what Joel says "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! "For the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. The sun and moon will grow dark, And the stars will diminish their brightness. The LORD also will roar from Zion, And utter His voice from Jerusalem; The heavens and earth will shake; But the LORD will be a shelter for is people, And the strength of the children of Israel." Joel 3:14-15
30. #12 Johan Oden
gadees ,   Vanco.   (03.20.08)
Israel is the only state on the globe with no boundries.To recognize it,Israel must define its boundries first, otherwise all talk of satatehood is a waist of time.
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