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Peres to Lavrov: We don't believe Syria
Roni Sofer
Published: 20.03.08, 21:39
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31. War on Terror!!!
gadees ,   vanco.   (03.20.08)
Doesthe war on terror referred to by Lavrof include the million and a half bombs which droped by Israel on Southern Lebanon during the 2006 war???.
32. Russia plays a dirty game here
Jake   (03.21.08)
Just when I found something good about Russian foreign policy, when they defended the sovereingty of Serbia in Kosovo, they started to to fall back into old habits. They threatened that if Kosovo becomes independent, Russia would recognize the independence of the Georgian territories of Adjaria and Abkhazia, which are occupied by Russian troops. What did Georgia do to deserve such an honor? Now Russia wants to further enhance its "prestige" by bulldozing into the Golan Heights dispute. And the irony is, while the West is busy saber-rattling against Russia, and threatening to put missiles in former Eastern Blok countries, tiny Israel stays out of Russia's business. Now it's time for Russia, with its 11 time zones, to stay out of Israel's.
33. #29 Golan an Arab Land
gadees ,   vanco.   (03.21.08)
It amazes may how foolish you are to believe in such biblical nonsense.All religions have their mysticall conceptions , should we adhere to them there will remain no soul on earth.Jews have blessed the world with exceptional genius, but none would have agreed with your argument.
34. When Syria tried to claim back Hatay and Iskandarun
Jake   (03.21.08)
from Turkey and use the PKK to press Turkey on the issue, the Turks explained to the Syrians in no uncertain terms what would happen to them if they so much as imagined to dream about it. After that, Assad made pee-pee in his pants, and now, it is all forgotten and Turkey and Syria are best of friends. Over to you, Olmert.
35. #12, Johan, "according to the UN"
Jake   (03.21.08)
I hate to break it to you, but according to the UN, Israel HAS NO border or capital city. UN failed to recognize the 1949 armistice lines as an interntational boundary before (and after) 1967, for fear of upsetting the Arabs. Also, if the principle of "inadmissibility of land by war" applied in every conflict, it would shield the aggressor from a possible consequence of its aggressions, i.e. the LOSS OF LAND. The war was between Israel and Egypt. When Jordan and Syria decided to join in the 1967 war, Israel counter-attacked. UNR 242 said peace-making SHOULD be based on a number of principles, among them Israeli "withdrawal from territories". Also, the UN resolutions condemning Israel were drafted and ratified in manner that would make them advisory and non-binding, and not legalistic and binding. It has always been recognized that for a solution to the Middle East conflict to be achieved, IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO. So stop demonizing.
36. Odin #21, no chance Israel initated the conflict with Syria
Jake   (03.21.08)
You are not even quoting the tip of the iceberg about Dayan. Dayan was the defense minister in 1967, and despite the fact that the Syrians had decided to join the war against Israel (see "6 Days of War", by Michael Oren) by launching cross-border attacks, air raids, and artillery strikes in the Upper Galilee, Dayan REFUSED to counterattack against Syria until 5th day of the 6 Day War. You are quoting Dayan way way out of context. He made those remarks in the context of his disagreements with his colleagues, who were more hawkish on the Syrian issue. But, as I said, he had the override on that issue, and did not change his mind until near the end of the 6 Day War.
37. #28, Gadees Abu Madness
Jake   (03.21.08)
"Syria will never allow you to die of thirst,see what they are doing to Jordan,diverting their water resourses to save Jordanians from thirst." Very clever, Gadees. Syria regards the Arabs of Jordan as brotherly Shami Arabs, so brotherly that when Syria invaded northern Jordan and occupied Irbid in 1970, it regarded itself as liberating its own Arab brethren from Hashemite tyranny. Syria never saw Israel or the Jews as anything other than an enemy to be despised, driven out, or killed. But never mind what I think. Let's look at the facts. Before 1967, when the Golan was entirely controlled by Syria, it was nothing more than a miltarized network of bunkers from which to rain down artillery on northern Israel. After 1967, the Golan, which is mostly controlled by Israel, BUT PARTLY CONTROLED BY SYRIA, including the Hermon summit and Kuneitra, is the most peaceful area of the entire region.
38. #28 Give The Golan Back - Never!
Bill Foonman ,   Jacksonville, USA   (03.21.08)
The Arabs only understand one word - consequences! You can't dialog with them, negotiate with them or trust them. Syria attacked Israel without provocation and for that, they forfeited the Golan. It is also the price they must pay for supporting Islamic terrorism and arming Hezbollah.
39. And don't we Syrians trust a word you say
Zeal ,   Zionist America   (03.21.08)
you barbaric criminals. Expect the same when Syrian Migs fly over your (stolen) territory and bomb you!
40. Israel withdrew from part of the Golan in 1974
Jake   (03.21.08)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/91/Golan_heights_rel89B.jpg in what was known, surprise surprise, as the "1974 disengagement treaty"
41. ALL CONQUERED LAND IS OWNED BY THE OCCUPIERS
Scott   (03.21.08)
.....until removed by force. That is how we humans work. Trying to force Israel to give its territory by force will result in unbelievable destruction to the enemy too. Its a NO WIN at best for anyone wanting to attempt it. Wake up!!
42. #38 Why Israel must give back the Golan
gadees ,   vanco.   (03.21.08)
Your way of thinking will ultimatelly preciptate the wrath of heavens on you.We know that we are not immuned but neither your country. The Syrians,like the rest of their brotherns will never suspend their assistance to all movements fighting to lebirate their lands.We know we have a rendezvous with the Golan.
43. #37 Setting Facts straight
gadees ,   Vanco.   (03.21.08)
The fact is that you have no fact whatsoever.Please read some thing of substance to verify your historical claims,are you familliar with Uri Avneri.Gilad Atzmon,Guilad levy Chomoscy,and last but not least TonyJudt.There is something wrong with you if you dont read this line of discourse.
44. Since When Israel ever recognized the UN Resolutions.
gadees ,   vanco.   (03.21.08)
Hey Jake,I am copying this from an articale by Uri Avnery about a Jewish mother admonishing her son who had been called to serve in the czar's army against the Turks,she told her son,"Don't exert yourself too much,kill a turk and rest. Kill another turk and rest again."But mother,the son exclaimed,"What if the Turk kills me", Kills you she cried out,"Why? What have you done to him".This is our case with you, you want to kill all Palestinians but you don't want to be killed.
45. #35 Jake - I was wrong, Israel declared its bodrer in 1948
Johan Odin ,   Oslo, Norway   (03.21.08)
Actually you mist quote UNSCR 242which states first the charter of the UN which declares the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" and furthermore calls for the "Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict", which like a sign that reads "Keep off Grass", does not mean that it is OK to trample on part of the grass or keep some of the land occupied in the 1967 war simply due to the omission of "the" in the statement as you attempt to imply by your omission. Regarding Israel's border, I checked and must admit that on May 14, 1948, Israel’s provisional Zionist national council did officially declare Israel's borders as being those outlined under the UNGAR 181 partition plan For a map see: http://www.mideastweb.org/unpartition.htm So I must correct myself as those are in fact Israel's actual legal and self declared borders, making all land outside of those declared borders currently occupied by Israel Palestinian land per UNGAR 181 an not part of Israel. Given that information I was being far to generous, and it means that even more land needs to be returned to the Palestinians than I first thought. Thanks for the correction.
46. #35 Jake - I stand partly corrected
Johan Odin ,   Oslow, Norway   (03.21.08)
Actually you mist quote UNSCR 242which states first the charter of the UN which declares the "inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" and furthermore calls for the "Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict", which like a sign that reads "Keep off Grass", does not mean that it is OK to trample on part of the grass or keep some of the land occupied in the 1967 war simply due to the omission of "the" in the statement as you attempt to imply by your omission. Regarding Israel's border, I checked and must admit that on May 14, 1948, Israel’s provisional Zionist national council did officially declare Israel's borders as being those outlined under the UNGAR 181 partition plan For a map see: http://www.mideastweb.org/unpartition.htm So I must correct myself as those are in fact Israel's actual legal and self declared borders, making all land outside of those declared borders currently occupied by Israel Palestinian land per UNGAR 181 an not part of Israel. Given that information I was being far to generous, and it means that even more land needs to be returned to the Palestinians than I first thought. Thanks for the correction.
47. 12. kiss my ummm... hind quarters...yeah that's it
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48. 14...i wish someone would tell olmert and peres that the
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experiment failed. They need to stop torturing Israelis with the failed experiment of land for peace. There is no peace and we're running out of land!
49. 27 your hateful lies are showing...pull down ur shirt! ew!
truth strikes again   (03.21.08)
50. 31. no but it does include the murder of innocent Christians
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by Muslims in Lebanon, Egypt and in Africa!
51. No way Norway
Y ,   N   (03.21.08)
Israelis should beware of one thing. Norway is the most israel hating country on earth and Johan odin is the proof.
52. Russia does NOT want to give Golans to Syria
Damir ,   Russia   (03.21.08)
Where did you got that idea? Syria wants it back, but without our support. The talks should be about things that can be solved - situation in Lebanon namely. And still Israel did not show any piece of Russian-made weapon captured in Lebanon. Chinese or bulgarian Kalashnikovs do not count.
53. And we do not believe peres!
jason white ,   afula,israel   (03.21.08)
Nor any others in the regime.
54. Johan Odin, the fist line of the Partition Plan says:
Jake   (03.21.08)
RECOMMENDS. And please show me the Israeli law that says that the boundaries of the State of Israel match that of the '47 Partition Plan recommendation. I would like to see such a law in writing.
55. #54 - You are Absolutlely 100% Correct Jake
Johan Odin ,   Oslow, Norway   (03.22.08)
That is right Jake, the UN General Assembly Resolution 181 only made suggestions (i.e. recommendations) to the Security Council which never voted on UNGAR 181, which means that Israel was not created, much less authorized or legitimized by the UN with the passage of UGAR 181, but was created when the Zionist leaders who founded Israel declared their statehood, and it was in that declaration that they legally defined Israel's borders as being those outlined in the resolution. Of course Israel immediately set their sights on stealing more land than the UN intended by following what was called Plan Dalet, which outlined the methods to be used to expand the newly created Israel's borders by ethnically cleansing the indigenous population from Palestine.
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