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Sanhedrin demands expulsion of women from military
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 28.03.08, 10:25
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31. Traditions of Man
British Oleh ,   Tel Aviv   (03.28.08)
Self-appointed is the right phrase. You just have to read the תנ"ך Tanach to see how many women actually won the military victories… something these self-appointed so called holy men obviously haven't [done]. It doesn't matter what religion (Judaism, Islam or whatever), the spirit of the taliban is alive and kicking.
32. women of valor; is a supermodel kosher or hero?
observer   (03.28.08)
“Israel or Uganda, what difference does it make? It makes no difference to me. Why is it good to die for our country? What, isn’t it better to live in New York? Why should 18-year-old kids have to die? It’s dumb that people have to die so that I can live in Israel,” Refaeli added.
33. #32 observer, Bar Refaeli denies having made those remarks
Jake   (03.28.08)
and sued those that made such a claim for libel. Nice try, pal.
34. Observer, #32, here is a link that rubbishes your claim
Jake   (03.28.08)
the Refaeli ever made any such quotes. http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2007/10/bar-refaeli-sues-yediot-for-libel.html
35. Is their goal to make everyone ineligible for the army?
Abe Froman ,   NY, NY   (03.28.08)
Religious people who listen to this Sanhedrin probably do not serve in the military anyway. Are they trying to make everyone ineligible to serve?
36. Women make the units better.
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (03.28.08)
The military is a joke without them. I suppose family life would be better without them to lift those heavy pots and pans too. Lots of men have problems with those heavy pots and pans. Only strong women can manage to lift them, with their strong agile bodies. Kicking women out of the army for religious reasons is a joke. Many women have just as much strength as men. The argument is a joke. It gets rather dull staring at an ugly guy all day long. Women add to higher morale.
37. Sanhedrin
ranjan ,   la, usa   (03.28.08)
Everybody knows that you are blatently bised newspaper. You said "The self-appointed Supreme Judicial Court of the Jewish People, also known as the Sanhedrin". You are Yehudi which means this is your court also. 3 years ago when Sanhedrin was eshtablished, I said if it is from Hashem then it survive and prosper but if not it will die down. Now I feel iot is from Hashem because people like you are apposing and Even court in Natyana pass along one court case to Sanhedrin. Pleas ponder over it.
38. Any female soldier is worth 10,000 "yeshiva
jason white ,   afula,israel   (03.28.08)
student" draft dodgers. And national service is a phony as the participants. No I.D.F. service should make the draft dodgers second class citizens with no right to higher education,driver's license, government jobs,child allowance, ect.
39. #34, jake
Maya   (03.29.08)
Bar Refaeli probably didnt make those remarks but she certainly ACTED upon them by betraying her country and people and going to new york (and paris) instead of serving the army, or giving to the country in any other constructive way... fro my personal experience in the army i would say most women wouldnt even want to be in the front line, but not ALLOWING women in the front line would be a hue strategical mistake, as i have found those who do want it- work harder than boys, are tougher and feel they have more to prove. they are a valuable asset to a country like israel.
40. #38, jason
maya   (03.29.08)
could agree more! its not whats between your legs, its getting up and returning that huge favour that was done for you when others gave up a few years of their life to ensure your safety (and imagine they wouldnt have! israel wouldnt even exist), whatever way you are fit to give, you must give, so we arent sweden, but at least in our country we arent "born alone and die alone" we are a family, a dysfunctional family that takes care of each other:-)
41. #33-34: No, Barfaeli never denied it
5th generation ,   Israel   (03.29.08)
She just threw a hissy that they printed it and people reacted negatively (probably expected them to be envious and applaud her?). Read the article again carefully. By the way, what was the legal upshot? NOTHING. Because she said it AGAIN to another news publication.
42. Male and Female :-)
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta US   (03.29.08)
A little girl asked her mother, 'How did the human race appear?' The mother answered, 'God made Adam and Eve and they had children and so all humans came to be.' Two days later the girl asked her father the same question. The father answered, 'Many years ago there were monkeys from which the Human race evolved.' The confused girl returned to her mother and said, 'Mom, how come you told me the human race was created by God, and Dad said they developed from monkeys?' The mother answered, 'Well, sweetie, it is very simple. I told you about my side of the family and your father told you about his.'
43. YES THE ARMY WILL BE HOLY!!!
Yos   (03.29.08)
44. how about...
kobi ,   oz   (03.29.08)
expel the sanhedrin from israel! we like our beautiful tzabariot the way they are!
45. Wonderful explanation 42#
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (03.29.08)
I laughed! Great Joke.
46. with no women who will search female suspects?
Melquiades ,   Canada   (03.29.08)
These Sanhedrin rabbis are obviously clueless about modern warfare - especially when it comes to combating terrorists.. While women may not be able to serve en masse in special force units because of physical limitations, they are essential in other areas. Having recently returned from Afghanistan I spoke to several officers who were begging for female soldiers and military police officers to be posted at checkpoints. Women are needed to search female muslims whether in Israel, Afghanistan or Iraq to ensure they are not smuggling weapons, wearing a suicide vest, or are actually men doing one of the above. In Afghanistan, I heard about the case of a Canadian soldier who survived being shot in the head after his section was ambushed by an insurgent with an AK47 under a burka. When it comes to choosing between mixing women and men and protecting life, I choose life - hands down!
47. # 42 M. Hartley and then there's another explaination
petra ,   usa   (03.29.08)
you know what G-d said after He formed Adam? " I can do better than that."
48. #22 Izzy
Harry   (03.29.08)
Oh my!! You are "studying" political science and have as a hobby military warfare. How about instead of learning about military strategy in non-military schools, you sign up for a 20 year tour of an elite unit. When you become a member of the general staff I will listen to your sage advice. For now, you most certainly are not qualified to make national policy decisions. Your chutzpah is saying that you are based on your current schooling and warfare "hobby" is laughable boychick!
49. Look at a map
C McCoy ,   Canada   (03.29.08)
Is Israel really in such a favorable security situation that it can pass up on many thousands of healthy, capable, willing soldiers?
50. To #47
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (03.29.08)
Then there's the story that Eve was created first, but with three boobs. When she complained that one of them kept getting in the way, God removed it. Unwilling to waste living flesh, and figuring that Eve could use one now and then, He muscled it up and made Adam. Even now, men think we're flirting, when we, in fact, are simply smiling because we recognize some long-lost boob.--- All right, guys, I'm only joking good-naturedly. I was about to say that we couldn't get along without you, but there are thunder clouds out there and I don't want to push my luck :-) As for female combat soldiers, simply equip the ladies with high-powered assault weapons, have a translator tell them that the enemy says that their rear ends look like elephant butts in those uniforms and just see how fast those ladies turn into raging, blood-thirsty, fearless demons.
51. 47 Adam: Actually, it was when the Lord formed man and woman
Rivkah   (03.29.08)
from the earth so they would both be equal that the Lord decided to do better than that. Adam's first wife was not Eve. His first wife was made from the soil like Adam, but she would not accept Adam as an equal and Adam would not accept her as an equal. A verse in Isaiah reveals her name: Lillith. she left the Garden of Eden in disgust at Adam and later married Cain, it is believed. Then God made Eve from Adam's rib so she would be a helpmate and subject to Adam. Then Eve was seduced by the serpent that the Hebew word says can also mean the shining one...the devil. Cain was not Adam's son. He was the devil's son. The name of the devil may be Saba-el according to Rabbi Michael rood. Satan is a title which means accuser. Lucifer is a title which means the shining one. The Lord repented that he made humans after the genetics of humans was contaminated with fallen angel DNA like with Cain. So the Lord destroyed the earth with a great flood except for Noah and seven others. Then the fallen angels who were not bound in the abyss for co-habiting with human women (all angels are male in Hebrew word form which is masculine for angels). So, Cain was banished by Adam and Eve and went East initially which tradition says was with his wife Lillith. Cain like to name places after himself. He went East initially and the land in the far east that bears Cain's name is China in the opinion of bible scholar Olaf Hage (www.petragrail@yahoo.com). Cain was a farmer and at some point he returned to the Middle East and became the first leader of Egypt, teaching the Egyptians how to farm. He was known as Ra and Lillith was known as Isis. In Greek mythology, Cain's name was changed to Zeus and in Roman idol worship, his name was Jupiter. It is no secret that Philip of Macedonia was away when Ra of Egypt visited Philip's wife and conceived Alexander the Great. Alexander had horns on either side of his head that were ground to the flesh and covered with hair. Any barber who revealed that was slain. There is a lot of knowledge in the myths of Greece and Rome if you put them into perspective of the pre-diluvean (pre-flood) earth. Psychologists use the Greek myths to explain psychological disorders such as an Electra Complex or and Aedipus Complex because the descendants of the devil and the devil himself cause so much mental conflict in people. Gesenius' Hebrew Lexicon defines insanity as being driven by a demon. There were and are some real problems with the human species, but thankfully the Lord providded a way to learn about Him and hopefully to know him by studying the Bible which is not too challenging if you read three chapters a day for life.
52. #42 - The father must be related to husband's family :)
Anonymousobviously   (03.29.08)
53. a solution, Woman will carry a red triangle
Dave ,   worldwide   (03.29.08)
The solution, Woman will carry a red triangle in her uniform to let the bigot...ortodox know that they are female, (those animals that were created unequal to God) and could be menstruating, Thus avoiding those jerk..Ortodox animals created from mud be advides to keep a safe distant and away form sin.
54. To #52
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (03.29.08)
Just for you :-): A husband and wife, having bickered to a draw, drive through the countryside in furious silence. When they happen to pass by a farm with a number of goats, sheep, mules and cows, the husband cackles, taps his wife on the arm, points at the animals and says: "Relatives of yours, huh??" Without missing a beat, the wife leans over, smiles and says, "Yep! In-laws."
55. 51 Cont'd. Cain, the son of Eve and the shining one (serpent
Rivkah   (03.29.08)
or devil, Saba-el) is believed to also be Ra of Egypt who existed after the flood as well as before the flood who fathered Alexander the Great. How is that possible if only eight humans survived the great flood? The son of the devil, (Cain, Jupiter, Zeus, Ra) had a mark on his forehead of three Hebrew letters that protected him and indicates he was alive, is alive, and will continue to be alive until the end: aleph-vau-tau. The first letter of the Hebrew alphabet, the vau letter for the word "and", and the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet, Tau. The true Messiah is called the Alpha and Omega, so the Counterfeit Messiah who will come out of the abyss also has a similar name: Aleph-Vau-Tau. That is also the name translated as 666 from the Greek that was translated from the Aramaic/Hebrew texts. So the son of the devil can and has gone into the abyss to survive the flood and other hazards. Where is the abyss? It is deep in the heart of the earth. Cain also could have been transported to Mars where the devil, Saba-el, has his throne until Mars is destroyed. Anciently, Mars was called Tire. The King of Tire is the devil, Saba-el. The eight humans who survived the flood did not include the partial-human, Cain; but Cain survived. The Bible indicates eight SOULS survived the flood. Cain has no soul, apparently, being half devil half human. He will suffer eternal punishment, however.
56. 46 a simple answer to your query!
jack bauer   (03.30.08)
there should be no moslems in Israel. there would be no suicide bombers and the like if the 5th column was deported like it should have been in the last few wars you dont need checkpoints at all in Israel if there are no more terrorists inside
57. War is dirty, AN WOMEN SHOULD BE KEPT AWAY FROM IT
jack bauer   (03.30.08)
There is no real reason to have women in combat roles. It is a pseudo modern twist on things designed to blur the lines of gender roles. It seems to me everyone here is angry about this? LMAO out of all those maddened people here,how many served in the IDF? By all means if your town was attacked by an arab army arm the ladies and have them hold the last line. But the real soldiers asked to fight and die should be men. Where are those brave men who would willingly die for their land and people? Would Joshua or Gideon have enlisted all the ladies as well? No! In fact they would have split the men up as well. And only taken those drank straight from the river. And then the enemies would be defeated once and for all in accordance to the instructions of Hashem. not like the morally corrupt modernity designed to make you think you know better then Hashem p.s. you don't
58. There is no Sanhedrin!
JPS ,   Efrat   (03.30.08)
Good grief, what a bunch of gullible morons these readers are. There is no Sanhedrin. There hasn't been a recognized Sanhedrin for over 16 centuries. These guys calling themselves "The Sanhedrin" is like me and my pals calling ourselves the senate of Rome. There is no shortage of looney tune stories that media outlets post to get readers to click. This is just another goofy story. Women will serve in the army, and the majority of Haredim will continue to avoid the draft, using women as just one of the many excuses no to serve. Weiss's comments are not just an insult to the many capable female officers in the IDF, they show Weiss to be of doubtful qualifications as a "professor".
59. Ladies, ladies
mark ,   Raanana.   (03.30.08)
Why is everybody getting so upset it's not going to happen anyway?
60. # 42 M. Hartley and then there's the one..
petra ,   usa   (03.30.08)
after G-d made Adam you know what He said.. "I can do better than that'.
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