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Jewish leader calls Evangelists 'extremists'
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Published: 03.04.08, 07:44
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31. This article
Jewish woman ,   Israel   (04.03.08)
I am an Orthodox woman who lives in Israel. I have mixed feelings about Evangelists because while they do support us, they may have ulterior motives. Also, I do not like Reform Judaism as it is so watered down that there is almost nothing left of Judaism in it. Because of intermarriage and quickie "conversions", in another generation or so, if the movement is still around, a large percent of its' members will not even be Jews halachically. As for Rabbi Yoffee,can't he see that even though we have already given up plenty of land, we still do not have peace? The Arabs just see it as a sign of weakness, and want more and more land, until we will have no place left to live. They are also even closer to us physically in order to send over more missiles. Sderot is a good example and soon it will be Ashkelon, Ashdod, and then the rest of the country. Why doesn't Rabbi Yoffee understand this?
32. Eric Yoffie is a NUT
Ralph Levy ,   USA   (04.03.08)
Hagee is a Friend of Israel and the Jewish people and quite frankly we need all the friends we can get.
33. This moron Yoffie does not represent American Jews
Mark ,   USA   (04.03.08)
Don't listen to him.
34. WHOA !! WRONG !! THIS REFORM JEW SAYS YES TO HAGEE
andrew ,   miami,fl   (04.03.08)
DUH THIS SHOWS HOW STUPID HE IS - EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANITY IS !! THE THE AMERICAN GRAIN AND WHY DO YOU WANT TO GIVE LAND TO THE PALIS ??
35. Eric Yoffie
I. Barr ,   USA   (04.03.08)
Eric Yoffie has turned the tables: He blames Christians for being extremists but actually he is in a campaign to appease the Muslims in the US. He participated in many conferences with Muslims and advocated coexistence as if this is possible in Israel, as if Israel is USA, as if you can or should appease Hamas. Yoffie is totally misguided. It is better to have Christian Evangelist as friends of Israel than no friends at all. Israel does not need guidance from Yoffie who advocates self serving philosophies that do not apply to Israel.
36. No. 1
Paul ,   London England   (04.03.08)
We only respect Reform Judaism and this Rabbi in particular, if we are moderate,decent , tolerant people who wish to live in peace and prosperity. Fundamentalist bigots will not respect the Reform movement.
37. YOFFIES CONTACT INFO
ANDREW ,   MIAMI,FL   (04.03.08)
CALL HIM - WRITE HIM - DO SOMETHING PASTOR HAGEE IS A FREIND - AND WE NEED TO STAND UP FOR HIM Rabbi Eric H. Yoffie President 212.650.4150 212.650.4159 PresURJ@urj.org
38. every grain of sand over there is jewish <Extremist>
augustine e johnson ,   birmingham-usa   (04.03.08)
the bible is clear -- every grain of sand over there is jewish -- sure i believe that the rejected messiah will come and he will be yeshua -- does all this make me an extremist? i am also ready for the 3rd temple=================augustine-usa
39. to "rabbi" yoffie
(04.03.08)
you know, "rabbi", most jews in israel and abroad DO NOT CONSIDER THE REFORM MOVEMENT AND REFORM SYNAGOGUE AS JEWISH!!!!! how about that? additionally, i would like to comment about your misconcieved notuion od what reverend hagee is all about. this wonderful person has a conviction. HE IS MORE JEWISH LEANING THAN YOURSELF! sitting in your usa home with a salary of over $100,000 per year is just grand! you are safe, well fed, bombs and rockets are not raining on your home, kindergardens and children or wife. so, you are bored; running off your mouth and stupid ideas ad noseum! if you are so very comcerned about creating a palestinian state and bringing about peace between the arab nations and israel, why do you not come live here? participate in the peace proccesses, talk to gaza hamas, iran, syria so that you can open your eyes to the true cause of this continuous struggle. sitting safely in your lovely home in the usa won't do you any good. COME HERE. LIVE HERE. EXPERIENCE ISRAEL FIRST HAND! THEN TALK.
40. #3 i wouldnt call it great news
(04.03.08)
41. This Republican Conservative Jew, agrees with Christian Zion
David ,   Boston, USA   (04.03.08)
Sometimes we are our worst enemies. Reform, Conservative, Orthodox, and Secular Jews should encourage our allies on Israel. Arabs already have an Arab Palestinian state on 80% of the land. We Jews settled for only about 20%. Its time to move on. There already are 2 states. Cancel Palestine. Create Peace!
42. #8, like Tanach
Sidney ,   USA   (04.03.08)
Hagee's explanation is the same as Tanach's explanation of the fall of the kingdom of Israel. It uses the same excuse to explain the fall of Judah despite the most virtuous king Josiah.
43. Yoffie is at it again!! How useless he is!
Baruch ,   Boston, USA   (04.03.08)
44. Right Advice Wrong Reason
Edwin ,   Canada   (04.03.08)
45. Are we completely crazy? Are we going to write what every nu
(04.03.08)
nut thinks is politically correct or not?
46. He is a rabbi and his religion is leftist liberalism
Guy   (04.03.08)
He is not jewish, and no friend of ours. Let G-D decide his fate.
47. with friends (rabbis) like him who needs enemies.
Guy   (04.03.08)
48. Yoffie is an idiot!
Secular Conservative ,   American Jew   (04.03.08)
49. John Hagee is a friend of Israel and the Jews should be
Rivkah   (04.03.08)
thankful instead of attacking him and his followers. My problem with Pastor Hagee is that he believes in an apostate Shabbat (Sunday) while criticizing the Roman Catholics who also have an apostate (Sunday) Shabbat. Revelation in the Authorized King James Bible says the Church of Laodicia is totally apostate. It was the Council of Laodicia that changed the Shabbat to Sunday. Revelation also tells the followers of Yeshua to come out of Babylon, a religion that is a mother harlot religion with harlot daughters. I ask John Hagee to come out of the harlot daughter church that like the harlot mother church, celebrates an apostate Shabbat. Adam and Abraham and Moses and David and Yeshua honored a Saturday Sabbath which is a doctrine of God. The apostate churches honor an apostate Sabbath which is a commandment of men (Popes). Mark 7:7 warns, "Howbeit IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME teaching for doctines the commandments of men." Come out of Babylon, Pastor Hagee, so the Lord can bless you more abundantly.
50. I went to a Reform Jewish congregation and found them
Rivkah   (04.03.08)
to be in violation of the laws of God to such a degree, it was astonishing that they called themselves a religion. After finishing TORAH studies a teenage boy was welcomed as a full member of Congregation B'Nai David in Visalia, California. In his required speech to the other members, he eloquently defended the rights of homosexuals even though the TORAH forbids homosexuality. That was so shocking, I left the congregation prefering the company of more TORAH minded people. Congregation B'nai David was a SOCIAL CLUB that failed totally in instructing the young on the most basic precepts of morality. From reading about child abuse in the Orthodox Jewish community, I wonder what TORAH they study from. Maybe the same one as at B'nai David
51. Yossi #8, that is standard position of Ovadia Yosef
Jake   (04.03.08)
and indeed all traditional Orthodox Jewish rabbis, including Maimonides, who believed that Jews were expelled from their land and cast out of favor "on account of their manifold sins", starting with disobedience to God. The fact that Hagee believes that the Jews still have the "Divine right" to the Land of Israel is what is important.
52. To Bereny #4
Jake   (04.03.08)
"You are not a rabbi and there are no "reform rabbis". Reform is not Judaism and reform so called "synagogues" are not synagogues." I agree with you about the land concessions part, but not about the religious coersion part. You seem to have forgotten that there were no 'synagogues' in the Torah to begin with. You also seem to have forgotten that it was the Zealots, Sicarians, Bar Kochba and other religious fanatics that lost Judaea for the Jews to begin with. Think we are going to let that happen again? All due respect, you remind me of that official from the Judean Liberation Front from "Life of Brian", who says, "We're the Judean Liberation Front, not the bloody Liberation Front of Judea. The only people we hate worse than the Romans are the Liberation Front of Judea".
53. Half of the reform movement isnt even Jewish
John   (04.03.08)
54. The Arrogance of the Ignorant!!!
Jack   (04.03.08)
55. Yoffie - WHY BE JEWISH???
Meir   (04.03.08)
56. 50 cont'd: The Torah such people study from...
Rivkah   (04.03.08)
must have the pages glued together because they have no idea what is in it. Or, they read and read and nothing sinks in.
57. Be thankful
Salty   (04.04.08)
The Jewish people should be thankful for people like Rev. Hagee. If it weren't for them our politicans would care less about israel. There are more Arab votes in America now , than ever .
58. I don't understand.
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (04.04.08)
I don't subscribe to any religion. I'm simply a very patriotic, slightly hawkish American. This is the way I see it: You fought for and created a State. You defended it against an assortment of a--hats several times. You beat the living daylights out of them and kicked them out of a few places you wanted or needed. Why are some of you now almost apologizing for their ineptness and even think of giving back what you won fair and square? I would tell the whole world, and that includes the US, to either practice autoeroticism or to come and get it, if they want it back. And if those, whom you graciously allowed to keep their homes and farms, start any BS, then kick them out. To the winner go the spoils. All this back and forth, what the bible says and doesn't say, Hamas or Fatah, whether or not this type of Christian does or doesn't support you is beside the point. You know what'll happen, if you give back the Golan and you know what'll happen, if you give back parts of Jerusalem. Do you really want to do that to prove the point that it'll be a disaster, and how long will it take before you'll have to clean out the same rats' nests again? And if some of your citizens don't like it to the extent as to actively undermine the country, give 'em a passport, a 'plane ticket, a fond bon voyage and a swift kick in the butt to wherever. It'll be cheaper in the long run. The Palis don't want a State. They want you gone so they can take what you built; ALL of it. If you let that happen, you deserve whatever they'll dish out. Most of the world's admiration for '48, '67 and '73 has dissolved into "what the hell are they putting up with over there, when they have the second-best military on the planet?" When you have a bunch of rabid dogs after you, you don't try to feed and pet 'em. You kill 'em. End of story. What does all of this have to do with which Christians support whom and why? Heck, if I know. I just wanted to vent.
59. Yoffei is wrong
Israel Baron   (04.04.08)
Mr Yoffei - you are VERY wrong! For us Israelis, The evangelists are more important than your defeatism. Your false declarations are harmful to Israel. We urge you to change your behaviour.
60. IMPOSSIBLE for Reform to have 1 million members
Aviva ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (04.04.08)
There are 900 Reform temples all over the world. In order for them to have 1 million members, each temple would have to have 1000 members, but this is only the membership of a very few mega-temples such as Temple Emanuel. Most temples have a membership of 400 people (this is according to a listserve of Reform rabbis) and there are many small congregations that have far fewer. So assuming 400 members as an average per temple, we have a Reform population of 320,000. Since about 90% of temple members never attend services except on High Holidays or when they have a Bar Mitzvah, that leaves 32,000. Of these, at least half are not even Jewish, which leaves 16,000 members. Their membership in Israel is only a pathetic few hundred. And, they have a sub-replacement birth rate.
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