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Peres in Treblinka: Polish people not responsible for Holocaust
Attila Somfalvi
Published: 14.04.08, 20:46
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31. Zeal @ 19
Greg ,   Los Angeles, CA   (04.15.08)
Hey, thanks - Courage? Not at all. People posting here have some twisted, reversed, untrue vision of History. Poles are not angels, but blaming this nation for attrocities commited against POLES and Jews, claiming they were 'willing collaborators' of the Nazis is a SICK LIE. Courage has nothing to do with my posts. Courage was to fight for beloved country and freedom ('for freedom, ours and yours') on EVERY European front line, as my ancestors did, as my grandfather did. But thank you for a good word. I hope you were not mocking me.
32. to 15 if hamas say it
nusa ,   gaza   (04.15.08)
they will started the sentence with[with the helpof god we will not allow.......] this is the differance even who are not believe in any religion know that sometimesthey can not prevent any dangerouse
33. Igor
Andrew ,   Denmark   (04.15.08)
Firstly, the King Christian yellow star myth, is just that, a myth. A google seach should make that clear for you. Secondly, the Poles did resist occupation, in contrast to the Danes, with the largest underground army in ww2. Secondly, where do you see Poles 'handing over jews'? Jews were ordered to come to the ghettoes, and they came. What about the 3million Poles who the Poles let kill? Your post is idiotic. As for the uprising, all of the weapons came from the Poles. A grand total of zero came from world jewry. Have you heard of the Warsaw uprising where 300,000 civilians were killed and finally came to an end with the Poles running out of bullets?
34. IDEOLOGY SHOULD KILL THE
NONSEQUITOR   (04.15.08)
MINISTRY YOGURT HAS CULTURE, CULTIST HAVE IDEOLOGY, HUMAN BEINGS HAVE VALUES !
35. No hope at all
April ,   Melbourne   (04.15.08)
One thing is very clear to me since I have been participating in talkbacks on this forum: the version of history tought in Israel and USA had nothing to do with a true history as it was. Over years people must have been brainwashed and the hatered towards Poland sucked up with mother's milk (sounds familiar, doesn't it?). Justine, Greg and others, you can say whatever you want to, quote hundreds of links and it will not help. These people are blined by their hate. They know better... It is amasing that Germany is hardly blamed for WWII, concentration camps, holocaust and all the atrocities. It is Poland and Poles at the moment. Very interesting.... As for the properties lost during WWII and during the communism era, many forgot that Poles lost their properties too. Many also forgot that Jewish loses were covered long time ago by West Germany (indeed they paid to Israel for all the properties lost by Jewish people in Poland).
36. FYI: Property after WW2
Mark ,   Geneva, Switzerland   (04.15.08)
Scott->"Jewish property stolen by Poles after the War"... I should not comment but I will such lack of basic knowledge on the subject, such stupidity and you raise your voice why? Communists confiscated all property regardless of the ethinc background of the owner.
37. It is never as simple as black and white.
Hanoch ,   USA   (04.15.08)
Yes, there was -- and probably safe to say, still is -- strong antisemitic tradition in Poland. Yes, many crimes were committed by Poles against the Jews. But -- and this is a very important "but" --it is also true that there were many Poles who risked and even lost their lives to help the Jews. We must never forget that either. Today Poland is the strongest ally of Israel in Europe. Many Poles today are sincere friends of Jews and supporters of Israel. Let's bygone be gone. Peace.
38. #9
tomek ,   Lublin, Poland   (04.15.08)
I am not going to argue with the merit (or the lack thereof) of Igor's post. However, I would like to point out that in the current European news media the atrocities of the II WW are attributed to some abstract and rather esoteric 'Nazis'. It strikes me that, as a German poster, Igor is eager to use terms like 'Poles', 'Ukrainians', and 'Latvians' to denote those 'brutal guards' but shies away from using the term 'German' to properly label the perpetrators of the aforementioned atrocities. I may understand the desires to sanitize the less than glorious past, but doing so while at the same time slandering the victims of your homegrown regime (those Poles, Ukrainians, and Latvians among many others) is a bit of the stretch.
39. Israeli and US Jews ....
Ryv ,   Norway   (04.15.08)
Israeli and US Jews suck anti-Polonism with their mothers milk ! This is clear, just look at them posting here all this anti-Polish comments. Some absurd to the point of laughter. "Poles were guards at Auschwitz" lol ! Good one !!! Are you people really beleve in what you are posting !? If the answer is yes then your school system needs urgent reforms ! Shalom
40. Anti-Polish Jews
Scart ,   Lion France   (04.15.08)
Can you imagine if there was a Polish Christian minority living in Israel ? Living among some of these anti-Polish idiots who are so active on talkbacks like this one ? I also wonder if these people are simply brainwashed or they have a hidden agenda ?
41. Good quote
Adamek ,   DC   (04.15.08)
As Simon Wiesenthal said: "I am talking on this subject (Polish-Jews relation), I always say that I know what kind of role Jewish Communists played in Poland after the war. And just I, as a Jew do not want to shoulder responsibility for the Jewish Communists, I can not blame 36 million Poles for those thousands of blackmailers".
42. To anti-Polish Jews
Pure proud Pole ,   Warsaw, Poland   (04.15.08)
To all anti-Polish people who are contributing here - one question... WHO HATES WHOM !? I was never anti-Semitic and I did not feel any apathy towards Jews in my life, but after reading all this pathetic, full of hate and imaginary anti-Polish posts all over Jewish press talkbacks , I have noticed that I started to feel angry and anti-Jewish. I can honestly say now that I don`t like Jews. You hate me so why should I like you? Perhaps you people are the reason there is so many ant-Semites on this planet. Think about it.
43. To #25 Igor from Germany
Robert ,   Helsinki Finland   (04.15.08)
Igor, you don't seem to know the history of WWII very well. Nazi Germany was responsible for the murder of 6,000,000 Jews - not Poland. In case you forgot, Poland was defeated in 1939 by Germany just 2 months after the war started. Furthermore, the majority of the first 100,000 victims in Aushwitz were Polish Christians. It wasn't until 1942, when Germany started mass execution of Jews in Aushwitz after expanding the camp. (aka Final Solution). There was no Polish guards there. Furthermore, the Polish population did not support the mass murder of Jews. If they had, then why was Poland the only occupied country in which Hitler ordered death to an entire family for anyone caught helping Jews? It is because thousands of Poles were helping Jews (See Yad Vashem memorial). Germany not only murdered 6,000,000 European Jews in WWII but also 3,000,000 non-Jewish Poles. The Polish population was not immune from German Nazi terror. You may ask why Poles didn't help more? It is because they were powerless to do so. The greatest attempt by Poles to resist Nazi occupation was the Warsaw Uprising. For 2 months Warsaw was free again....then the uprising was smashed by the Germans and over 100,000 Polish civilians lost their lives and the city was destroyed block by block. There were no gas chambers in Poland before German occupied it. Get your facts straight Igor.
44. Poles and Jews
Ivan ,   Gdansk Poland   (04.15.08)
Poland was the only country in which Germans imposed a death penalty to an entire family for helping Jews. Yet Poles saved more Jews than any other country in Europe according to Yad Vashem. In fact, an underground organization was specifically created to help save Jews in Poland called Zegota. After the war, Stalin put Jewish communists in top positions in the Ministry of Public Security (UB) to help take control of the country (Jakub Berman). The UB hunted down Polish Home Army soldiers after the war which fought against the Germans because they would not be loyal to Stalin. Thousands were jailed, tortured, and killed. In order to distract attention from these crimes, Jewish communists that eventually left Poland launched a smear campaign in the West accusing Poland of being anti-Semitic and it seems that many American Jews have unfortunately bought it. Poland lost 3 million Catholics and 3 million Jews. A majority of the first 100,000 victims in Auschwitz were Polish Catholics. Yet, there are no American films that cover the topic of what happened to non-Jewish Poles during WWII. And if Poles are shown, they are rarely portrayed as victims. Poles were getting killed along with Jews by the millions, many died saving Jews, yet certain Jewish groups continue to slander Poles. Also, do not confuse anti-Semitism with legitimate historical grievances.
45. Responsibility for the Holocaust
Jack ,   Vancouver, canada   (04.16.08)
I don't see Poland on the list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_Holocaust But I think you people "know better" right? I'm "sure" that Igor and others posting nonsense about the Holocaust "can't " be wrong.
46. re 45
Greg ,   Los Angeles, CA   (04.17.08)
April said it all, bro: whatever you say, whatever he says, whatever I, and anybody way smarter than us, that doesn't matter. Self-taught scholars, my-daddy-told-me scholars, it-is-wide-known-fact scholars will ALWAYS know better. Facts? Historians? Whatever. Screw it. My daddy knows better.
47. Oy Vey, when is this Peres going to retire???
.. ,   ..   (03.31.14)
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